U.S. bans American companies from selling to Chinese phone maker ZTE

[TaiShang]

Man, its just like US boss lost a good maid and his house look messy few days .

Pls remember that before Deng beg US-JP to become their maid in 1978, US-JP r still rich. CN make US-Jp richer, without CN, US is just less rich while million Cnese dragged back to starving ppl like before 1978.

You have made your point, move on!

For example:

China has stopped importing recyclable trash from the developed world. That trash will likely end up in countries like Vietnam.

If I were you I would instead worry about my present conditions rather than playing funny history games.

You may act pro-actively and ask your government not to ever accept trash that will be diverted now somewhere else.

 

[Viva_Viet]

You have made your point, move on!

For example:

China has stopped importing recyclable trash from the developed world. That trash will likely end up in countries like Vietnam.

If I were you I would instead worry about my present conditions rather than playing funny history games.

You may act pro-actively and ask your government not to ever accept trash that will be diverted now somewhere else.

Yeah, US boss lost Cn maid now, so he has no where to dump trash. VN could recycle some trash for money if it not too polluted cos we r still poor but we have to keep improving ourselves to get better. Ist just like we need help from communist block to defeat France-US, but we improved fast and finally can stay strong alone when Soviet collapse.

We always find out the way to survive while it seem too hard for CN to stay strong against Western bully. If PLA "wolf warrior " can not destroy US warship docking in TW with just 2 men like VN did during VN war, then CN never have a single chance to beat US and have to accept the life of white's maid for good.

 

[TaiShang]

We always find out the way to survive while it seem too hard for CN to stay strong against Western bully. If PLA "wolf warrior " can not destroy US warship docking in TW with just 2 men like VN did during VN war, then CN never have a single chance to beat US and have to accept the life of white's maid for good.

On the question of Taiwan province, you are indeed right. Mainland needs to be more resolute from now on on the issue. I guess it will be. It is foolhardy to put your neck under the blade when your power is not on par with the enemy. Therefore, time was needed. I think now time is up.

In fighting the US, Vietnam is a good precedent as a killing machine, but not as a poor killing machine. In a war, we need to kill without being killed. Or, at least, numbers need to be equal.

Mainland has arrived at that stage. No worries. The Taiwan problem will be solved from inside (people like me) and outside (Mainland China).

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As far as ZTE sanctions are concerned, the company is under threat since the early 2010, if not earlier. Yet, it has become a strong contender in 5G and other key technologies. I think the sanctions will hurt but, this will be like a bitter medicine. The result will be a more resilient and stronger organism.

 

[Viva_Viet]

On the question of Taiwan province, you are indeed right. Mainland needs to be more resolute from now on on the issue. I guess it will be. It is foolhardy to put your neck under the blade when your power is not on par with the enemy. Therefore, time was needed. I think now time is up.

In fighting the US, Vietnam is a good precedent as a killing machine, but not as a poor killing machine. In a war, we need to kill without being killed. Or, at least, numbers need to be equal.

Mainland has arrived at that stage. No worries. The Taiwan problem will be solved from inside (people like me) and outside (Mainland China).

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As far as ZTE sanctions are concerned, the company is under threat since the early 2010, if not earlier. Yet, it has become a strong contender in 5G and other key technologies. I think the sanctions will hurt but, this will be like a bitter medicine. The result will be a more resilient and stronger organism.

Nazi, JP also thought "time is up" in WW 2, and we all know the result to them.

So, to me, its still not right time for CN now, your PLA still terrible and inexperience, "human wave" is the only tactic u know and it didnt work. "wolf warrior" only look cool on the movie, never happen in real life.

Why US never wanna fight with VN again?? cos they dont know why they got killed even in safe zone (we destroyed US old carrier wt just 2 men). IF PLA can not do the same, then US will keep laughing at u cos they killed PLA so easily wt zero casualty in TW conflict.

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Not just ZTE, all CN companies will be pushed to collapse. We dont see any chance for CN to win in trade war or hot real war agaisnt US

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

The US is in a long term geopolitical competition with China. But fear? No...we've played this game before and won decisively. China is just the newcomer on the block that has to be dealt with.

China is not going to invade Vietnam or afghanistan.
If they want it than the real invaders could become Soviets.

 

[TaiShang]

So, to me, its still not right time for CN now, your PLA still terrible and inexperience, "human wave" is the only tactic u know and it didnt work. "wolf warrior" only look cool on the movie, never happen in real life.

I agree. Human wave is a thing of the past. In fact, having "nuclear triad" automatically cancels out human wave. Instead of human wave, now, simply deliver nukes, this way, at least, the other side will lose as much as you do.

Wolf Warrior is no less experienced than Rambo. Whether they actually exist is another debate, LOL.

Why US never wanna fight with VN again?? cos they dont know why they got killed even in safe zone (we destroyed US old carrier wt just 2 men). IF PLA can not do the same, then US will keep laughing at u cos they killed PLA so easily wt zero casualty in TW conflict.

They have nuclear advantage. If you once again make them as desperate as you did them during the Vietnam War, they will become more barbaric than they were before, including considering nuclear option.

Of course, China/Russia would not let that happen, that's another question. But, do not ever underestimate the enemy's capabilities. Remember, the US will always be your existential enemy.

Again, Vietnam War is an inspiration to all independent nations. I salute all the heroes of Vietnam.

Not just ZTE, all CN companies will be pushed to collapse. We dont see any chance for CN to win in trade war or hot real war agaisnt US

Have confidence, my friend. If they are really capable of doing to China economy what you say they could, imagine what they are able to do Vietnam. It is not as simple as that. China has some serious upgrades and policies going on. You can even consider the Belt and Road as a proactive policy designed for a world we are living today.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I agree. Human wave is a thing of the past. In fact, having "nuclear triad" automatically cancels out human wave. Instead of human wave, now, simply deliver nukes, this way, at least, the other side will lose as much as you do.

Wolf Warrior is no less experienced than Rambo. Whether they actually exist is another debate, LOL.



They have nuclear advantage. If you once again make them as desperate as you did them during the Vietnam War, they will become more barbaric than they were before, including considering nuclear option.

Of course, China/Russia would not let that happen, that's another question. But, do not ever underestimate the enemy's capabilities. Remember, the US will always be your existential enemy.

Again, Vietnam War is an inspiration to all independent nations. I salute all the heroes of Vietnam.

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Nuclear war is not a choice even in Cold war cos US is smart enough to just bully u guys above Red line (only weaken your economy, contain CN sea route by JP-TW, not destroying mainland but waiting for your civil war like in Syria. Pls note that there r million guys in CN-VN willing to destroy communist party in civil war).

Of course we can not say that Nuke war never happen, but can Cnese go war in another way and win ?? If not, then I have nothing else to say cos no one win when nuek war happen.

Have confidence, my friend. If they are really capable of doing to China economy what you say they could, imagine what they are able to do Vietnam. It is not as simple as that. China has some serious upgrades and policies going on. You can even consider the Belt and Road as a proactive policy designed for a world we are living today

Yeah, I can see what US will do to VN , just like when Soviet collapse then CN is the next target. Thats why Vn need to unify sub Mekong region to get stronger and strong enough protect sub mekong ppl. laos-Cam r on Vn side now

 

[TaiShang]

Nuclear war is not a choice even in Cold war cos US is smart enough to just bully u guys above Red line (only weaken your economy, contain CN sea route by JP-TW, not destroying mainland but waiting for your civil war like in Syria. Pls note that there r million guys in CN-VN willing to destroy communist party in civil war).

Of course we can not say that Nuke war never happen, but can Cnese go war in another way and win ?? If not, then I have nothing else to say cos no one win when nuek war happen.

I agree. I think a war is unwinnable for both sides. Hence, the game of weakening your enemy. I am not sure how this will play out. But, it won't definitely play out the same way the US subjugated Japan in the 80s.

The result will be different. For once, Japan never had enough political freedom (vassal state as it is) to launch an aggressive BRI-like policy. Believe me (I sound like Trump, LOL), if the US could, they would kill the BRI on day one.

Yeah, I can see what US will do to VN , just like when Soviet collapse then CN is the next target. Thats why Vn need to unify sub Mekong region to get stronger and strong enough protect sub mekong ppl. laos-Cam r on Vn side now

Instead of unifying this and that region, my friend, let's unify in development. Making money is glorious. Life is not long enough to be over idealist, my friend. I guess the Mekong River framework in which China and other nations cooperate is a great institution for common development. It does not have to be a win-lose scenario always. We can actually do win-win.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I agree. I think a war is unwinnable for both sides. Hence, the game of weakening your enemy. I am not sure how this will play out. But, it won't definitely play out the same way the US subjugated Japan in the 80s.

The result will be different. For once, Japan never had enough political freedom (vassal state as it is) to launch an aggressive BRI-like policy. Believe me (I sound like Trump, LOL), if the US could, they would kill the BRI on day one.

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Err, what is BRI bro ??

How Trump will pay out ? Not hard to predict, US arm seller can not sell many weapons as they wish now, some of them r collapsing, so they need war in East Asia to sell more weapons. So, Trump mess up everything in Asia, threaten hot war/ economic war to CN so he can force JP,SK,TW to buy more US weapons. Trump think CN is still weak and corrupted, PLA wt "human wave" tactic cant help CN beat US, so its good to keep bullying CN now till CN knee down and accept to be US's maid and dump trash for her again

Instead of unifying this and that region, my friend, let's unify in development. Making money is glorious. Life is not long enough to be over idealist, my friend. I guess the Mekong River framework in which China and other nations cooperate is a great institution for common development. It does not have to be a win-lose scenario always. We can actually do win-win

Did u read how we unify Laos-Cam when bad guy Pol Pot try to make trouble ??

 

[TaiShang]

Err, what is BRI bro ??

Belt and Road, to which VN is a party.

How Trump will pay out ? Not hard to predict, US arm seller can not sell many weapons as they wish now, some of them r collapsing, so they need war in East Asia to sell more weapons. So, Trump mess up everything in Asia, threaten hot war/ economic war to CN so he can force JP,SK,TW to buy more US weapons.

Right on spot! 100% agreed.

The sells not security, but a sense of security. And it comes very expensive.

Did u read how we unify Laos-Cam when bad guy Pol Pot try to make trouble ??

I know the history. But, I feel you let history enslave you rather than free you. If you are a good Marxist, you will know what I mean.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Belt and Road, to which VN is a party.


I know the history. But, I feel you let history enslave you rather than free you. If you are a good Marxist, you will know what I mean.

Actually VN-CN do the same way to expand our nations (marry to local women, sent ppl to live and settle the new land, start expand economic trading etc). We just do the same, bro.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The fake news media is turning a molehill into a mountain. How is this ban meant to stop China when ZTE's market share is tiny within China? ZTE is actually the fourth largest phone brand in North America behind Apple, Samsung, and LG. This ban hurts low income US consumers more than it hurts China.

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In the three months ending in October 2017, the top five brands – Huawei, Xiaomi, Apple, Vivo, and Oppo – made up 91% of sales, compared to 79% a year earlier.

“Chinese brands like Meizu, LeTV, Coolpad, ZTE, and Lenovo were once on the same trajectory as like of Xiaomi, but any momentum they once had has abruptly stopped, with many struggling to get past a 1% share,” Sunnebo said. “Samsung’s performance in China continues to deteriorate, with its share now down to just 2.2% of that market.”
https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/Later-iPhone-X-Release-Hurts-Apple-Share
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ZTE is literally one among hundreds of smartphone makers in China. Even if the company goes out of business, employees can just get a job at another company.

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Smartphone sales in China are dominated by the top five brands – Huawei Technologies, Oppo, Vivo, Xiaomi and Apple – with a 77 per cent share of the market, up from 67 per cent in 2016, according to Counterpoint.

These larger, deep-pocketed Chinese smartphone suppliers have won a big chunk of the market through aggressive marketing, more attractive handset designs and features, and by offering a wider array of models available in a range of prices to entice both younger and affluent buyers.

That leaves an estimated 200 Chinese smartphone companies to fight for the scraps. Just two years ago, there were as many as 300 of these firms offering inexpensive, knock-off handsets.
http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech...phone-market-coming-down-handful-major-brands
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