U.S. Approves $1.5 Billion Ballistic Missile Defense Deal With Japan

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On August 7, the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced that the U.S. State Department has approved a possible $1.5 billion sale of two Lockheed Martin Corp Aegis combat systems as well as new anti-submarine warfare equipment to Japan. According to the DSCA press release:

The Government of Japan has requested a possible sale of two (2) ship sets of the MK 7 AEGIS Weapon System, AN/SQQ-89A (v) 15J UWS and CEC. Additional items include associated equipment, training, and support for its Japan Fiscal Year (JFY) 2015 and JFY2016 new construction destroyers (DDGs). The ACS and associated support will be procured over a six (6) to seven (7) year period, as approved by Japan in budgets for JFY2015 and JFY2016.

The weapons deal, likely to be approved by Congress, aims to enhance Japan’s capabilities to defend against a ballistic missile attack. Japan is currently upgrading and modifying all of its Aegis destroyers (the Kongō-class and Atago-class) with the Aegis ballistic missile defense (BMD) system.

In November 2013, the Japanese government announced that it would procure two additional Atago-class vessels, equipped with the Aegis-BMD system, to be commissioned in 2020 and 2021 respectively.

“The addition of two (2) new AEGIS DDGs will fulfill Japan’s mission goal of acquiring eight (8) ballistic missile defense capable ships and will further enhance interoperability with the U.S. Navy, build upon a longstanding cooperative effort with the United States, and provide enhanced capability with a valued partner in a geographic region of critical importance to Japan and the U.S. Government,” DSCA said.

DSCA also noted that the two new Aegis destroyers “will afford more flexibility and capability to counter regional threats and continue to enhance stability in the region,” especially as “Japan currently operates AEGIS ships and is proficient at using evolving ballistic missile defense capability.”

As I reported in June (See: “US and Japan Successfully Test Ballistic Missile Killer”), the United States and Japan recently conducted a successful test of the Aegis BMD with a live-fire drill involving a jointly developed new ballistic missile interceptor, the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IIA, at a U.S. Navy sea range. TheSM-3 Block IIAis designed to destroy short- to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in space.

Tokyo’s other likely purchase, the AN/SQQ-89(V) Undersea Warfare / Anti-Submarine Warfare Combat System (USWCS / ASWCS) will equip the new Atago-class destroyers with modern ASW capabilities. DSCA emphasized that Japan’s naval forces have been “effective at employing the AN/SQQ-89 UWS for undersea surveillance and detection. Japan has demonstrated the capability and commitment necessary to incorporate CEC into its fleet and will capably assimilate this technology into its operations.”




U.S. Approves $1.5 Billion Ballistic Missile Defense Deal With Japan | The Diplomat

Good deal

Till the day the DF-21 actually sinks a moving target at sea its a bluff actually.Sinking a static defenseless carrier size target on the open gobi desert and comparing it to moving us carrier battle group at sea is just meh.DF-21 is more of a propaganda weapon currently.

Agreed

 

[Blue Marlin]

The intercept missile is much slower than incoming ballistic missile warhead.
It is not possible for intercept missile to chase after the warhead.
But ballistic missile has a fixed ballistic path that cannot be changed.
You need to detect the ballistic missile first, calculate the ballistic path, and prepare the interception at the path of warhead.
That is why early warning and ballistic path calculation is very important..

For SM6 it can reach 33KM height max.
For a ballistic missile of 10 march, it only take 10s to reach ground.
SM6 can reach 160KM or more, leave around 50s to prepare intercept..
Also SM3 has heat sensor and radar that can effectively recognize the warhead and hit it.
While SM6 has only radar. less effective for ballistic missile...

ballistic warheads has a path but can be changed if it detect its being intercepted. thats when it changes its direction, but still hits its intended target.

 

[yoshi.oda]

Till the day the DF-21 actually sinks a moving target at sea its a bluff actually.Sinking a static defenseless carrier size target on the open gobi desert and comparing it to moving us carrier battle group at sea is just meh.DF-21 is more of a propaganda weapon currently.

Of course!!!!!

 

[Blue Marlin]

Till the day the DF-21 actually sinks a moving target at sea its a bluff actually.Sinking a static defenseless carrier size target on the open gobi desert and comparing it to moving us carrier battle group at sea is just meh.DF-21 is more of a propaganda weapon currently.

the missile was tested in the desert for secrecy. and secrecy is its main concern. do you think china has an aircraft carrier that it wants to use to test the weapon on? they show the missile and do you thing#k they are propaganda pieces, and the missiles are fake, really. also the image below shows how accurate the missile is a slow moving target (an aircraft carrier) does not stand a chance.

 

[Nike]

the missile was tested in the desert for secrecy. and secrecy is its main concern. do you think china has an aircraft carrier that it wants to use to test the weapon on? they show the missile and do you thing#k they are propaganda pieces, and the missiles are fake, really. also the image below shows how accurate the missile is a slow moving target (an aircraft carrier) does not stand a chance.
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actually long range target at far away distances need a comprehensive array of tracker and targeting network system to pin point them with the utmost accuracy, and sadly PRC is still lagging behind of US of A and her allies in this area. Not to mention, US Aircraft carrier is not a slow moving target as she can cruising at more than 25 knot if needed, and to find a moving target in the middle of OCEAN in which guarded by an array of protection system (EW, Counter EW, Active protection and so on) is a hard to target to be found let alone to be destroyed.

 

[Blue Marlin]

actually long range target at far away distances need a comprehensive array of tracker and targeting network system to pin point them with the utmost accuracy, and sadly PRC is still lagging behind of US of A and her allies in this area. Not to mention, US Aircraft carrier is not a slow moving target as she can cruising at more than 25 knot if needed, and to find a moving target in the middle of OCEAN in which guarded by an array of protection system (EW, Counter EW, Active protection and so on) is a hard to target to be found let alone to be destroyed.

tracking can be used to guide the missiles in many ways. first ly theres satellites, but they must provide realtime images. then the missile is launched. once the missile is at the stratosphere it is able to search a huge area to locate the target and move to hit it so even if the target moves 50nm the missile will still see it an move against it, note it only takes 15 minutes from launch to impact. also guidance can be provided by submarines destroyers uavs, etc.

granted such technology is still premature, but china is growing its technological capabilities much faster than the US.
from what i know they are building a system similar to the aegis system which is where the communications of peripherals will be used to guide the missile to the target. so you do have a point, for now. i say about 3-5 years. remember even if they dont have a good guidance network doesn't mean they have to wait to develop a delivery system. they will continue to develop more advanced delivery systems and implement the aegis styled guidance systems at a later date.

 

[Nike]

tracking can be used to guide the missiles in many ways. first ly theres satellites, but they must provide realtime images. then the missile is launched. once the missile is at the stratosphere it is able to search a huge area to locate the target and move to hit it so even if the target moves 50nm the missile will still see it an move against it, note it only takes 15 minutes from launch to impact. also guidance can be provided by submarines destroyers uavs, etc.

granted such technology is still premature, but china is growing its technological capabilities much faster than the US.
from what i know they are building a system similar to the aegis system which is where the communications of peripherals will be used to guide the missile to the target. so you do have a point, for now. i say about 3-5 years. remember even if they dont have a good guidance network doesn't mean they have to wait to develop a delivery system. they will continue to develop more advanced delivery systems and implement the aegis styled guidance systems at a later date.

what i bold is only based on your assumption, US has allocated much more resources than China in this game since a long time ago, and their capabilities is still growing to this day with unprecedented pace than ever.

And will you thinking the newly built and the so much praised Chinese Aegis will have the same capabilities with the new batch of US destroyer? heck even the old Tico have a lot better capabilities than the newly built Ships the Chinese ones, at least on paper they have a better specs and in reality they have working for more than two decades and have been supporting US mission abroad in harsh condition.

And actually with COGLAC this 27 class DDG will generate more electronic resources, at least 50 to 60 % more than conventional method (COGAG), and surely they can accommodate a lot of more toys especially EW and ECM suites

 

[Blue Marlin]

what i bold is only based on your assumption, US has allocated much more resources than China in this game since a long time ago, and their capabilities is still growing to this day with unprecedented pace than ever.

yes the US is in "the game" way before china but china aegis system is "catching up" very fast

And will you thinking the newly built and the so much praised Chinese Aegis will have the same capabilities with the new batch of US destroyer?

obviously not, innovation does not come over night

heck even the old Tico have a lot better capabilities than the newly built Ships the Chinese ones, at least on paper they have a better specs and in reality they have working for more than two decades and have been supporting US mission abroad in harsh condition.

crap talking is ok, but you need a source to back up your claim


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[AUSTERLITZ]

the missile was tested in the desert for secrecy. and secrecy is its main concern. do you think china has an aircraft carrier that it wants to use to test the weapon on? they show the missile and do you thing#k they are propaganda pieces, and the missiles are fake, really. also the image below shows how accurate the missile is a slow moving target (an aircraft carrier) does not stand a chance.
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The novice strikes again!
Yes the secrecy was to keep the propaganda value intact.There is no need for an aircarft carrier,any big fuel tanker or logistics ship moving in the sea could have served its purpose.
The target ZERO electronic defenses,zero hard kill defenses and was most of all static.Here is the long chain of an actual target -
The target has to be detected, identified, precisely located and tracked. Data must be passed from sensors to a command system, and perhaps to the missile, for mid-course correction. The missile’s guidance system must be able to find the target within a zone of uncertainty that depends on how far the target can move in the time between location and intercept. The guidance system must resist jamming and discriminate between types of ships, such as carriers and destroyers. The fuse, if there is one, must not be disrupted.

Most what i find funny is your assertion that carrier is a slow moving target.The nuclear reactors give the nimitz carriers very high speed over 30 knots comparable to latest destroyers and faster than frigates and other smaller ships.Diesel submarines can't keep up with a nuclear carrier,only an SSN.

 

[anon45]

Till the day the DF-21 actually sinks a moving target at sea its a bluff actually.Sinking a static defenseless carrier size target on the open gobi desert and comparing it to moving us carrier battle group at sea is just meh.DF-21 is more of a propaganda weapon currently.

Its possible that's what it is primarily intended as. The US has done so before with programs such as the 'star wars' program. Regardless it is possible enough that the US has to take the possible threat seriously and devise counter measures.

 

[Providence]

The novice strikes again!
Yes the secrecy was to keep the propaganda value intact.There is no need for an aircarft carrier,any big fuel tanker or logistics ship moving in the sea could have served its purpose.
The target ZERO electronic defenses,zero hard kill defenses and was most of all static.Here is the long chain of an actual target -
The target has to be detected, identified, precisely located and tracked. Data must be passed from sensors to a command system, and perhaps to the missile, for mid-course correction. The missile’s guidance system must be able to find the target within a zone of uncertainty that depends on how far the target can move in the time between location and intercept. The guidance system must resist jamming and discriminate between types of ships, such as carriers and destroyers. The fuse, if there is one, must not be disrupted.

Most what i find funny is your assertion that carrier is a slow moving target.The nuclear reactors give the nimitz carriers very high speed over 30 knots comparable to latest destroyers and faster than frigates and other smaller ships.Diesel submarines can't keep up with a nuclear carrier,only an SSN.

Hi bro @AUSTERLITZ

 

[Blue Marlin]

The target has to be detected, identified, precisely located and tracked. Data must be passed from sensors to a command system, and perhaps to the missile, for mid-course correction.

really you don't say, because i though missiles are guided by monkeys strapped to the warhead. your comments are so basic. how else are you going to fire a missile without tracking it and locating it? an orb than can see far away!

The missile’s guidance system must be able to find the target within a zone of uncertainty that depends on how far the target can move in the time between location and intercept.

Most what i find funny is your assertion that carrier is a slow moving target.The nuclear reactors give the nimitz carriers very high speed over 30 knots comparable to latest destroyers and faster than frigates and other smaller ships.Diesel submarines can't keep up with a nuclear carrier,only an SSN.

from locating the target to actual impact is about 30 mins. now the top public speed of a nimitz class aircraft carrier is 31.5 knots in half hour that carrier at top speed would only travel just over 15nm. now the missile is at 100000ft+ in that stratosphere traveling at mach 10+. dont you think the position is being actively tracked and the position is being relayed to the missile?

there are possibilities of jamming or confusing the missile, but i read of a cleaver idea, that the warhead target emits a signal (from the radar) this signal is used to physically "lock on to said target" they would be many radars out there but the one (signal) closest to the relayed target is the target. from what i know its an concept idea that has kinks but it may be in the works.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Hi bro @AUSTERLITZ

The chinese miracle weapon.I don't know why they bother with their own carrier?

 

[yoshi.oda]

The chinese miracle weapon.I don't know why they bother with their own carrier?

You mean the 40 year old carrier refurbished and still problem for them?

The chinese miracle weapon.I don't know why they bother with their own carrier?

They cannot even have functional carrier air wing compare to USN and now they say they can kill US carrier with crap df21?


Big appetite small mouth.

 

[Oldman1]

SM6 intercepted a ballistic missile does not means it can effectively intercept missiles..
nowadays major modern air defense missiles have the capacity to intercept ballistic missiles.
But in real wars, only specified missiles like SM3 that can intercept effectively.
Other missiles have very limited reaction time or fire range that make the interception not so effective.

Thats one hell of a big contradiction considering that many Chinese posters like to point out China's own missile defense system with similar capabilities. So for some reason China sees what the U.S. is doing. And since the SM6 has proven to intercept it does show that its effective.