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U.S. and Pakistan Discuss Release of Doctor Who Helped Find Osama bin Laden

If you have any problems with Indians quoting such news, then ask mods to make it a forum rule we can stop quoting each others news. If you can't, then shut up and move on.
Also what are you doing in this thread. Does any of this remotely concerns any Pakistani? https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...minders-of-health-crisis.447138/#post-8640722

As long as the person has hands it is possible. US soldiers are not super humans, they hold guns with their hands.
Considering she is a women also a low threat subject anything is possible.
Also why is she caught from Taliban affected areas?
None of this qualify for a regular exchange plan.
If snatching a gun from a trained soldier is so damn easy, then the Americans should really start re training their army. And btw for us Dr Shakil is also a terrorist, so yeah we are trading a terrorist. So I agree this is not a regular exchange plan.

Got to hand it to you, you searched the forum for a post of mine on an Indian news, cool
 
The potential harm he did for polio eradication efforts, among others, needs to be highlighted.

As the same time, I'm sure the President Trump administration is willing to contribute to efforts to eradicate some diseases effecting Pakistan.

Hows 18 F-16s sound?
For 18 F-16s, Nation will be willing to give Nawaz Shareef's daughter to Americans. :D
 
If snatching a gun from a trained soldier is so damn easy, then the Americans should really start re training their army.
This is the detailed report on what happened, read page 3 and 4. This is true or not well, based on eyewitness statement this is true. The translators are not US citizens.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2008/August/siddiqui-aafia-complaint.pdf
And btw for us Dr Shakil is also a terrorist, so yeah we are trading a terrorist. So I agree this is not a regular exchange plan.
Dr Shakil was charged with conspiracy and aiding foreign secret service. Which in itself is an irony, since you guys claimed that OBL was killed with the help of your army and intelligence. Then why arrest Mr. Afridi? He wasn't charged with terrorism, unless of course you accept OBL was an important government asset.
Got to hand it to you, you searched the forum for a post of mine on an Indian news, cool
:undecided: Wasn't that hard. But you are less active on India's internal matter discussions:enjoy:
 
If he's released he should never be allowed to travel abroad and All his assets siezed.
 
In National Interest of Pakistan and for Saving Democrazy we released Him

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Dr Shakil was charged with conspiracy and aiding foreign secret service. Which in itself is an irony, since you guys claimed that OBL was killed with the help of your army and intelligence. Then why arrest Mr. Afridi? He wasn't charged with terrorism, unless of course you accept OBL was an important government asset.
aiding a foreign state against your own can be considered high treason, no?
:undecided: Wasn't that hard. But you are less active on India's internal matter discussions:enjoy:
yup pretty much inactive
 
aiding a foreign state against your own can be considered high treason, no?

yup pretty much inactive
I would consider the goodwill in the action. He helped to eliminate a terrorist. Though he don't qualify to be a doctor anymore, he went against every code of medical ethics.
I still find this quite strange. All these OBL-Doc-US-Pak there are things which are not open to public and since there is no RTI in Pakistan, no one can really find a logical explanation. All we can do is speculate.
 
This doctor is not going anywhere. We are going to remind the Americans by keeping this evil man in captivity. For all the drone strikes, killings and terrorism through Afghanistan. For all the pain inflicted on us and our nation. For all the hatred and hypocrisy. For all the misery. This is our punishment to our haters and enemies. No fvcking mercy. Not one bit.

There is no need to hang this evil. We are going lock him so far away in the dungeons that he will beg for daylight and we will push him further into darkness. It is going to feel good. So good that it will eradicate all the scars. We are going to demonstrate how justice is extracted with a vengeance. There can be no mercy for such evil.

The same treatment should be meted out to that little Indian terrorist. Lock him up and throw away the keys. Lock him up for such a long time that we forget his name, face and everything else. Let him beg for death and let him hate his life. An eye for an eye.
 
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I would consider the goodwill in the action. He helped to eliminate a terrorist. Though he don't qualify to be a doctor anymore, he went against every code of medical ethics.
I still find this quite strange. All these OBL-Doc-US-Pak there are things which are not open to public and since there is no RTI in Pakistan, no one can really find a logical explanation. All we can do is speculate.
was it or was it not high treason?
 
was it or was it not high treason?
Treason is aiding and abetting a foreign agency to overthrow a government or to cause chaos in the country(Pakistan) funded by an enemy state (US? ). By your definition, how many counts of treason has your own government officials committed, by aiding US to catch OBL. ISI worked with the CIA in many cases, even to kill or apprehend Pak citizens in N. Waziristan area. Isn't that treason, they are your citizens. Instead of crying foul on Aafia Siddique, try to convince US to take action against the officers responsible for the murder of Nabila Rahman's family. She lost her loved ones in a drone strike. Thinking they were terrorists.
I suggest you change the Signature to 'Justice for Nabile Rehman and the victims of drone strikes'.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/29/pakistan-family-drone-victim-testimony-congress
 
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Not Happening. Unless of course the US offers us a couple of squadrons of F35s.
 
Respect in the international arena is priceless and goes miles into building your reputation as a serious player in a lot of matters concerning state to state negotiations, even strategic, economic or defence related negotiations and deals.

We must never release shakeel afridi even if the Us offers a hundred f 35's in return. Self respect of an individual is vital to his honourable existance, yet it's like oxygen to a nation, one doesnt survive long without it.

Pakistan must learn to play calculated and emotionless hardball.
 
U.S. and Pakistan Discuss Release of Doctor Who Helped Find Osama bin Laden

By Saeed Shah
PESHAWAR, Pakistan—The Trump administration spoke with Pakistan about the prospect of freeing a doctor who helped the U.S. mission to find Osama bin Laden, and whose imprisonment in Pakistan has been a thorn in relations between the longtime allies.

In a sign that the climate is shifting in Pakistan, Dr. Shakil Afridi’s lawyers said that they expect to be able to present their case in an appeal hearing scheduled for May 24, after three years of postponements. His lawyers said he was wrongly convicted, on charges unrelated to the bin Laden raid, and they see a chance of winning his release.

Pakistan, which resisted the Obama administration’s persistent efforts to secure Dr. Afridi’s release, is looking for a better relationship with President Donald Trump after relations soured under his predecessor, said a senior Pakistan official.

Mr. Trump boasted in his campaign that “I would get [Afridi] out in two minutes.”

“We are trying to accelerate the legal processes,” the Pakistan official said. Dr. Afridi’s 23-year sentence could be reduced to the time already served, the official said. Another official suggested a presidential pardon was possible.

When the subject of Dr. Afridi came up at an April 25 meeting in Washington involving H.R. McMaster, the U.S. national security adviser, and Pakistan Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, “we said that we need to find a solution and we need to work together to find a solution,” said Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S., Aizaz Chaudhry, who attended.

Dr. Afridi was detained by Pakistani authorities in 2011 and has been in prison since May 2012. He is being held in solitary confinement for his own safety, in a facility that also holds jihadists who have threatened to kill him for his role in the bin Laden operation.

He wasn’t convicted by the regular courts, but under the special laws for the country’s remote tribal areas, where the justice system is run by civil servants, not judges. His appeal is before a government-appointed three-member tribunal, not a normal court. The tribunal declined to comment on the case.

The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad declined to comment on the McMaster meeting or the Afridi case. The White House didn’t respond to requests for comment.

In 2011, in the weeks leading up to the bin Laden raid, the Pakistani doctor set up a door-to-door vaccination program in the city of Abbottabad in an attempt to get DNA samples from the occupants of the house where the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency suspected the al Qaeda leader was living, Pakistani and U.S. officials have said.

Leon Panetta, CIA director at the time of the operation, said in 2012 that Dr. Afridi “helped provide intelligence that was very helpful” to the bin Laden mission, though Dr. Afridi’s lawyers maintain that he was just conducting medical research.

Pakistan treated the unilateral U.S. operation that resulted in the killing of bin Laden in May 2011 as a national humiliation. Dr. Afridi’s supporters say that is why he is in prison. “Pakistan had to make someone a scapegoat,” said his brother, Jamil Afridi. “We’re not getting justice.”

Members of Congress, in pressing for Dr. Afridi’s release, have called him an American hero, and U.S. officials have said they want to resettle him in the U.S.

Congress has voted every year for the past several years, including in April, to withhold $33 million of U.S. aid to Pakistan, or $1 million for each year of Dr. Afridi’s original 33-year sentence. U.S. civilian aid to Pakistan was $352 million for the last financial year, according to the Congressional Research Service, and the State Department has requested $423 million for the 2017 financial year.

Some Pakistani officials said they are concerned about possible deeper punitive action by Washington as the Trump administration considers sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban—an insurgency the U.S. has accused Pakistan of supporting. Islamabad denies backing the Taliban.

“Freeing Afridi or agreeing to his transfer to a third country would be a clever move for Pakistan at the start of the Trump administration, to build goodwill in the U.S. Congress and appeal to Trump the deal-maker,” said Joshua White, a former senior adviser at the National Security Council under former President Barack Obama now with Johns Hopkins University.

Islamabad says the CIA’s use of a doctor harmed Pakistan’s drive to eradicate polio. Dozens of vaccination workers were subsequently killed by militants, accused of being spies.

“Dr. Afridi is entitled to due process and a fair trial, which he is availing,” said foreign-affairs ministry spokesman Nafees Zakaria. “Dr. Afridi, who is widely seen in the U.S. as a hero for his role in tracking [Osama bin Laden], caused a severe blow to the polio vaccination campaign in Pakistan through his irresponsible behavior.”

Dr. Afridi’s lead counsel, Latif Afridi, said he would argue in the appeal that the conviction of Dr. Afridi for aiding an Islamist warlord was fabricated, with no evidence, and that proper legal procedures weren’t followed in the trial. Dr. Afridi hasn’t been charged with any offense related to bin Laden mission.

Dr. Afridi was picked up by the ISI, the Pakistani military’s Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency, three weeks after the bin Laden operation in May 2011, and held for a year at a secret detention site, according to his family and lawyers.

There, his brother said, he was electrocuted, burned, was blindfolded for months and kept with his arms tied behind his back—and made “to eat like a dog” in that position. The military has denied torture allegations and didn’t respond to a request for comment on the brother’s account.

Dr. Afridi, a 53-year-old father of three, was then transferred to civilian custody, convicted and moved to a Peshawar prison in May 2012. One of his former lawyers was assassinated in 2015 in an attack claimed by militants. His two remaining lawyers said they haven’t been allowed to meet him for nearly five years.

Husain Haqqani, who was Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington at the time of the bin Laden operation and is now a scholar at the Hudson Institute, an independent think tank in Washington, said America “left their man behind.”

That serves as a message to other Pakistanis, he said. “The ISI wants to use Dr. Afridi as an example for Pakistanis who might want to assist an international security agency, even in counterterrorism,” Mr. Haqqani said.

—Safdar Dawar in Peshawar and Carol E. Lee in Washington contributed to this article.

Write to Saeed Shah at saeed.shah@wsj.com

Appeared in the May. 17, 2017, print edition as 'U.S., Pakistan Discuss Release of Doctor.'

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-an...f-doctor-who-helped-find-bin-laden-1494927000
Why would someone in the right mind arrest the doctor? What was the crime? :what:
 
He will be released soon..it will be difficult to keep him like this if US really put pressure ...when they can take out raymon Tye episode can be repeated
 
Trump is working on his promise in which he said i will tell them to release him and they are going to listen and release him. Question is what are we asking for in return? More F-16s? US intervention in Kashmir issue? Or Nawaz getting assurances that in case his government is over thrown, he will have full US support. I think its the last. Nawaz does not give a **** about Pakistan or its security but only his own and that his loot and plunder continues while he has the backing of international players and in return he will continue to do favors like these to those countries.
 

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