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U.S. and Afghan Forces Killed More Civilians Than Taliban Did, Report Finds

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Mourning civilians killed in a raid last year by a C.I.A.-sponsored strike force in Khogyani, Afghanistan.CreditCreditJim Huylebroek for The New York Times


By David Zucchino

April 24, 2019

KABUL, Afghanistan — For the first time since the United Nations began documenting civilian casualties in Afghanistan a decade ago, more civilians are being killed by Afghan government and American forces than by the Taliban and other insurgents, according to a report on Wednesday.

Civilian deaths attributed to pro-government forces rose in the first quarter of this year even as overall civilian casualties dropped to their lowest level in that period since 2013.

The United Nations said in its quarterly report that pro-government forces were responsible for 53 percent of civilian deaths. But insurgents were responsible for the majority — 54 percent — of civilian casualties over all, even as the number of suicide bombings decreased compared with the same period in 2018, the report said.

During the first three months of this year, military operations escalated as both sides sought leverage in peace talks between the United States and the Taliban in Doha, Qatar. At the same time, there has been a relative lull in insurgent suicide attacks that indiscriminately kill civilians, especially in Kabul, the capital. The city has been a repeated target during the conflict, which is in its 18th year.

“It is unclear whether the decrease in civilian casualties was influenced by any measures taken by parties to the conflict to better protect civilians, or by the ongoing talks between parties to the conflict,” the United Nations report said.

The agency reported 581 civilians killed and 1,192 wounded during the first quarter, a 23 percent decrease in overall casualties compared with the same period in 2018.

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Other quarterly numbers may reflect an increasing reliance on airstrikes in a war in which Afghan security forces tend to hunker down in fortified bases rather than mount aggressive assaults against Taliban fighters. When attacked, Afghan forces often call for airstrikes by the American-trained Afghan Air Force to dislodge the enemy.

Aerial operations were the third-highest cause of civilian casualties, killing 145 civilians and wounding 83 during the quarter — a 41 percent increase for those type of casualties compared with the same quarter in 2018. The report attributed almost all of those casualties to American airstrikes.


The latest figures provided by the United States military show that American warplanes dropped 790 bombs and other munitions in Afghanistan in January and February. That was a slight decrease from the 847 that were dropped during the same two months in 2018.


An Afghan Air Force helicopter, piloted by American trainers and an Afghan co-pilot, in Logar Province in December. Aerial operations were the third-highest cause of civilian casualties.CreditBryan Denton for The New York Times
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An Afghan Air Force helicopter, piloted by American trainers and an Afghan co-pilot, in Logar Province in December. Aerial operations were the third-highest cause of civilian casualties.CreditBryan Denton for The New York Times

“A shocking number of civilians continue to be killed and maimed each day,” Tadamichi Yamamoto, the United Nations secretary general’s special representative for Afghanistan, said in a statement. “All parties must do more to safeguard civilians.”

The United Nations report said the decrease in suicide bombings might have stemmed from an especially harsh winter. The agency documented just four suicide bombings in the quarter, all attributed to the Taliban, which caused 178 civilian casualties. That was down from 19 suicide bombings and 751 resulting casualties during the same quarter last year.

The Taliban, the Islamic State and other militants killed 227 civilians and wounded 736 in the first quarter, the report said — a 36 percent decrease compared with the same period in 2018.

The United Nations said pro-government forces killed 305 civilians and wounded 303 — a 39 percent increase from the first quarter of last year, and 34 percent of all civilian casualties for the first quarter of this year.

The report attributed the remaining casualties to crossfire and other causes.

Ground engagements were the single biggest cause of all civilian casualties, accounting for about a third of the total. A single mortar attack by the Islamic State last month in Kabul was responsible for about a fifth of all first-quarter civilian casualties from ground engagements, the report said.

The second leading cause of civilian casualties was improvised explosive devices, or IEDs. In a reversal from previous reporting periods, the majority of IED casualties were caused by non-suicide IEDs rather than those detonated by a suicide bomber, the report said.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/world/asia/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-united-nations.html
 
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Then we found US on record threatening ICC Judges for consequences in case of on going/active human rights abuse/crimes enquiry in regard to US Forces. The NATO general stats that its the Taliban that need to stop attacking NATO/Afghan forces which means that instead of tacking on terrorists; NATO/US/Afghan forces are free to kill civilians.

Who in the right mind will call it a justified crime. It appears that US totally failed to deal with Taliban & other outfits in the Afghanistan but happy with civlian losses because the same does not matter. However, be it NATO or Afghanistan Forces; only civilians are at receiving end and there is none to call it total NATO/Afghanistan puppet regime failure.

These killings are the reason when a government can't function independently being puppet and having no interest for the peace but more inclined towards personal benefits, earning through illegal trade (weapons/drugs) and then fly abroad to live a luxury life. Speaking of PTM etc, well the said gang has nothing to do with human rights or even Pashtun rights but created by the same NDS/Afghan Forces/Hostile elements against Pakistan to disrupt our progress & hide their own crimes inside Afghanistan. PTM is yet another propaganda mouthpiece, lives through earning of mischief/anarchy/drug & other illegal trades to justify such killings especially since it has been supported by VOA (the CIA propaganda media wing) and others to fuel the fire of unrest in Pakistan. Don't expect much from them.
 
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Then we found US on record threatening ICC Judges for consequences in case of on going/active human rights abuse/crimes enquiry in regard to US Forces.

Incorrect.

USA is not a member of the ICC, and ICC is not a UN agency, and all USA did is to deny visas, that is all, perfectly within its rights.

ICC judges are free to pursue their investigation in any manner they see fit outside USA.
 
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Incorrect.

USA is not a member of the ICC, and ICC is not a UN agency, and all USA did is to deny visas, that is all, perfectly within its rights.

ICC judges are free to pursue their investigation in any manner they see fit outside USA.

The case of moral justification when it comes to investigation against US. Oh so then, crime is not the topic or any investigation by the ICC but Visa is the reason here. How about statements such as cutting support to certain sections under UN due to ICC. Well, if such killings are being justified because Taliban attacks forces then so ICC Visa issue is plausible as well. Please continue and agree to disagree without any personal grudge or coated lecture.

Regards,
 
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The case of moral justification when it comes to investigation against US. Oh so then, crime is not the topic or any investigation by the ICC but Visa is the reason here. How about statements such as cutting support to certain sections under UN due to ICC. Well, if such killings are being justified because Taliban attacks forces then so ICC Visa issue is plausible as well. Please continue and agree to disagree without any personal grudge or coated lecture.

Regards,

My previous post, and this one as well, have absolutely no bearing on moral justification for anything, since it is not needed.

I would support ICC doing whatever it wishes to investigate according to its charter for its member states, of which USA is not one, by any means available to its personnel.
 
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U.S. and Afghan Forces Killed More Civilians Than Taliban Did, Report Finds

Mourning civilians killed in a raid last year by a C.I.A.-sponsored strike force in Khogyani, Afghanistan.CreditJim Huylebroek for The New York Times

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Mourning civilians killed in a raid last year by a C.I.A.-sponsored strike force in Khogyani, Afghanistan.CreditCreditJim Huylebroek for The New York Times


By David Zucchino

  • April 24, 2019
KABUL, Afghanistan — For the first time since the United Nations began documenting civilian casualties in Afghanistan a decade ago, more civilians are being killed by Afghan government and American forces than by the Taliban and other insurgents, according to a report on Wednesday.

Civilian deaths attributed to pro-government forces rose in the first quarter of this year even as overall civilian casualties dropped to their lowest level in that period since 2013.

The United Nations said in its quarterly report that pro-government forces were responsible for 53 percent of civilian deaths. But insurgents were responsible for the majority — 54 percent — of civilian casualties over all, even as the number of suicide bombings decreased compared with the same period in 2018, the report said.

During the first three months of this year, military operations escalated as both sides sought leverage in peace talks between the United States and the Taliban in Doha, Qatar. At the same time, there has been a relative lull in insurgent suicide attacks that indiscriminately kill civilians, especially in Kabul, the capital. The city has been a repeated target during the conflict, which is in its 18th year.

Other quarterly numbers may reflect an increasing reliance on airstrikes in a war in which Afghan security forces tend to hunker down in fortified bases rather than mount aggressive assaults against Taliban fighters. When attacked, Afghan forces often call for airstrikes by the American-trained Afghan Air Force to dislodge the enemy.

Aerial operations were the third-highest cause of civilian casualties, killing 145 civilians and wounding 83 during the quarter — a 41 percent increase for those type of casualties compared with the same quarter in 2018. The report attributed almost all of those casualties to American airstrikes.

“A shocking number of civilians continue to be killed and maimed each day,” Tadamichi Yamamoto, the United Nations secretary general’s special representative for Afghanistan, said in a statement. “All parties must do more to safeguard civilians.”

The latest figures provided by the United States military show that American warplanes dropped 790 bombs and other munitions in Afghanistan in January and February. That was a slight decrease from the 847 that were dropped during the same two months in 2018.

single deadliest year for Afghan civilians since the agency began documenting casualties in 2009. Almost 4,000 civilians died that year, including a record number of children. The 2018 report attributed 63 percent of civilian casualties to insurgent groups and 24 percent to pro-government forces.

The first-quarter drop in overall civilian casualties came after reports of initial progress at the latest round of peace talks in Qatar last month. Under a tentative framework reached by American and Taliban negotiators, the American military would withdraw from Afghanistan in exchange for a pledge by the Taliban not to allow terrorists to operate from Afghan soil.

About 14,000 American troops are currently in Afghanistan. About half are regular troops who train Afghan security forces, while American Special Operations forces work with Afghan commandos to conduct counterterrorism raids against Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

Full report at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/world/asia/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-united-nations.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ill-afghans-armed-groups-190424055107555.html

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-afghan-forces-kill-more-civilians-than-taliban/a-48454671
 
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So much easier to kill defenceless civilians and claim victory.
I'm sure they are counting poor children and woman victims as Taliban fighters in their statistics.

Oh Boy, Americans won't be happy to read this :coffee:
I hope, Pakistan stop providing life line for The Americans in Afghanistan.
you shouldn't allow Americans use your soil to transport to Afghanistan.
 
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