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(Reuters) - The U.N. General Assembly is set to implicitly recognize a sovereign state of Palestine on Thursday despite threats by the United States and Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by withholding much-needed funds for the West Bank government.

A resolution that would lift the Palestinian Authority's U.N. observer status from "entity" to "non-member state," like the Vatican, is expected to pass easily in the 193-nation General Assembly. At least 15 European states plan to vote for it.

Israel, the United States and a handful of other members are set to vote against what they see as a largely symbolic and counterproductive move by the Palestinians, which takes place on the 65th anniversary of the assembly's adoption of resolution 181 on the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been leading the campaign to win support for the resolution, which follows an eight-day conflict this month between Israel and Islamists in the Gaza Strip, who are pledged to Israel's destruction and oppose his efforts toward a negotiated peace.

The U.S. State Department said on Wednesday that Deputy Secretary of State Bill Burns and U.S. Middle East peace envoy David Hale traveled to New York on Wednesday in a last-ditch effort to get Abbas to reconsider.

The Palestinians gave no sign they were turning back.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeated to reporters in Washington on Wednesday the U.S. view that the Palestinian move was misguided and efforts should focus instead on reviving the stalled Middle East peace process.

"The path to a two-state solution that fulfills the aspirations of the Palestinian people is through Jerusalem and Ramallah, not New York," she said. "The only way to get a lasting solution is to commence direct negotiations."

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reiterated U.S. warnings that the move could cause a reduction of U.S. economic support for the Palestinians. The Israelis have also warned they might take significant deductions out of monthly transfers of duties that Israel collects on the Palestinians' behalf.

Despite its fierce opposition, Israel seems concerned not to find itself diplomatically isolated. It has recently toned down threats of retaliation in the face of wide international support for the initiative, notably among its European allies.

"The decision at the United Nations will change nothing on the ground," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in Jerusalem. "It will not advance the establishment of a Palestinian state. It will delay it further.

CRIMINAL COURT ACCESS

Granting Palestinians the title of "non-member observer state" falls short of full U.N. membership - something the Palestinians failed to achieve last year. But it would allow them access to the International Criminal Court and other international bodies, should they choose to join them.

Hanan Ashrawi, a top Palestine Liberation Organization official, told a news conference in Ramallah that "the Palestinians can't be blackmailed all the time with money."

"If Israel wants to destabilize the whole region, it can," she said. "We are talking to the Arab world about their support, if Israel responds with financial measures, and the EU has indicated they will not stop their support to us."

Peace talks have been stalled for two years, mainly over Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which have expanded despite being deemed illegal by most of the world. There are 4.3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

In the draft resolution, the Palestinians have pledged to relaunch the peace process immediately following the U.N. vote.

As there is little doubt about how the United States will vote when the resolution is put to a vote sometime after 3 p.m. (2000 GMT) on Thursday, the Palestinian Authority has been concentrating its efforts on lobbying wealthy European states, diplomats say.

With strong support from the developing world that makes up the majority of U.N. members, it is virtually assured of securing more than the requisite simple majority. Palestinian officials hope for more than 130 yes votes.

Abbas has been trying to get as many European votes as possible.

Austria, Denmark, Norway, Finland, France, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland all pledged to support the resolution. Britain said it was prepared to vote yes, but only if the Palestinians fulfilled certain conditions.

The fiercely pro-Israel Czech Republic was planning to vote against the move, dashing European hopes of avoiding a three-way split in the continent's vote.

It was unclear whether some of the many undecided Europeans would join the Czechs. Germany, Hungary and the Netherlands plan to abstain, like Estonia and Lithuania.

Ashrawi said the positive responses from European states were encouraging and sent a message of hope to all Palestinians.

"This constitutes a historical turning point and opportunity for the world to rectify a grave historical injustice that the Palestinians have undergone since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948," she said.

A strong backing from European nations could make it awkward for Israel to implement harsh retaliatory measures. But Israel's reaction might not be so measured if the Palestinians seek ICC action against Israel on charges of war crimes, crimes against humanity or other crimes the court would have jurisdiction over.

Israel also seems wary of weakening the Western-backed Abbas, especially after the political boost rival Hamas received from recent solidarity visits to Gaza by top officials from Egypt, Qatar and Tunisia.

Hamas militants, who control Gaza and have had icy relations with the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, unexpectedly offered Abbas their support this week.

(Andrew Quinn in Washington, Noah Browning in Ramallah, Jeffrey Heller in Jerusalem, Michelle Nichols in New York, Robert Mueller in Prague and Reuters bureaux in Europe and elsewhere; Editing by Xavier Briand)
 
Palestinians win UN state recognition

Now as Palestine is recognized as state, will Pakistan recognize Israel state?
 
A resolution that would lift the Palestinian Authority's U.N. observer status from "entity" to "non-member state," like the Vatican, is expected to pass easily in the 193-nation General Assembly. At least 15 European states plan to vote for it.

So Palestine will become a non-member state.

This is the most that can realistically happen, since the USA will surely veto any attempt to make Palestine a UN member state.
 
So Palestine will become a non-member state.

This is the most that can realistically happen, since the USA will surely veto any attempt to make Palestine a UN member state.

Although UN is useless organization but still What's benefit of getting tag of non-member state?
 
Although UN is useless organization but still What's benefit of getting tag of non-member state?

I'm not sure exactly, but it is sure pissing off America+Israel!

Maybe it will allow other countries to set up state-to-state diplomatic missions to Palestine?
 
Maybe it will allow other countries to set up state-to-state diplomatic missions to Palestine?

I don't think UN 'recognition' is needed for that. Many countries have recognized Palestine as an independent country, and the PA has already opened embassies all over the world.
 
So Palestine will become a non-member state.

This is the most that can realistically happen, since the USA will surely veto any attempt to make Palestine a UN member state.

Absolutely, America's consistent behaviors in the UN tells you where they stand in regards to the Israel-Palestine issue:


However, what happened yesterday was a huge political victory for the Palestinians. They deserve their celebrations.

Hopefully a small thing leads to something greater. Gazans deserves basic human rights and a better life.
 
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Although UN is useless organization but still What's benefit of getting tag of non-member state?

UN can't be said as a useless organisation as it is the organisation of nearly all countries present on Earth, Only IOC has more representation i guess. But by non-member state, UN tries to imply that Palestine is a recognized Country by the UN but it can't become it's member, this will be some achievement for the Palestinians since before they weren't even recognized as a country, this means nations can have formal diplomatic relations with it, but obviously this will see anger from both US & Israel.
 
I don't think UN 'recognition' is needed for that. Many countries have recognized Palestine as an independent country, and the PA has already opened embassies all over the world.

It matters to a great deal, Israel claims Jerusalem to be it's capital & many important govt. institutions are present there but UN recognize Tel-Aviv as it's capital, thus many member nations have there embassies present in Tel-Aviv rather than Jerusalem.
 
I'm not sure exactly, but it is sure pissing off America+Israel!

Maybe it will allow other countries to set up state-to-state diplomatic missions to Palestine?

CD currently there are many UN member states that have relations with the Palestine, but either they host Non-diplomatic offices or Non-resident embassies, there are very few nations that have full diplomatic relations with Palestine. This maybe b'coz the UN didn't recognize Palestine as a state. Now the definition of a Sovereign State is pretty interesting as per wikipedia:

A sovereign state is a political organization with a centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. It has a permanent population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states. It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.

Now, Palestine fails on all counts of the definition:

1. It has no central authority as Gaza & WB have different govt.
2. It has no well defined Geography.
3. Isn't independent since it depends on Israel & neighboring Arab states for many important Governance functions.
4. Neither it has permanent pop. nor it can enter into relations with other sovereign states to a large extent.

Thus, it was not surprising that UN didn't recognized it, but it has somewhat bent it's rule & maybe many nations will now have full diplomatic relations with Palestine.
 
What UN is sayig basically is

Palestine is a country but not a sovereignty, they have their own land and hence qualified for the definition of "Coutnry" but they do not govern their own people hence did not qualify as a sovereignty.

WHen UN regonise Palestine as a Full member, then they were their own people as there are NO OTHER ENTITY oppose to their independence. Kind of like when you are getting married, the preist will ask "if anyone think these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace."

WHen there are no opposition from UNSCR, they are a country with sovereignty.
 
I'm not sure exactly, but it is sure pissing off America+Israel!

Maybe it will allow other countries to set up state-to-state diplomatic missions to Palestine?

CD, I read in The Hindu that as a non-member observer state in the UN, Palestine gets access to the International Criminal Court (ICC), it could join the court & press war crime charges against Israel.

+ 29th November is an interesting date, 65 years ago the same UN voted in favor of two state solution of Israel & Palestine on the same date, then Palestine rejected it, now the table have somewhat turned.
 
CD, I read in The Hindu that as a non-member observer state in the UN, Palestine gets access to the International Criminal Court (ICC), it could join the court & press war crime charges against Israel.

+ 29th November is an interesting date, 65 years ago the same UN voted in favor of two state solution of Israel & Palestine on the same date, then Palestine rejected it, now the table have somewhat turned.

ICC had not yet accept the Ratification of ICC toward Palestinian National Authority as ICC did not satisified that Palestine is a soverignty (I think the exact word the ICC use is "cannot determine if Palestine is a sovereign state"). And Israel have unsigned the ICC ratification so ICC can prosecute Isreal but Isreal have no obligation to follow on any punishment nor the ICC investigation. So.....Basically ICC is useless in israel-palestinian issue

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