U.A.E. to Build Russian Warplane as Mideast Tensions Rise

[Jammer]

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Interesting pivot by the UAE towards Russia. Might be reading into it too much but could also be an indication that Russia is losing its grip on India and therefore moving towards alternate markets, or rather India is going for other alternatives.

 

[randomradio]

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Interesting pivot by the UAE towards Russia. Might be reading into it too much but could also be an indication that Russia is losing its grip on India and therefore moving towards alternate markets, or rather India is going for other alternatives.

India has nothing to do with it. The UAE move to woo Russia is due to the acceptance that Russia is a big player in the Middle East, it's a fact that slapped them in the face very suddenly after Syria.

And they realize that if they don't woo Russia, then the Russians will start getting too close to Iran, and that's bad news for them.

The Saudis plan to raise a $2T SWF, and they want to invest a significant chunk in Russia, including selling them a stake in it, so it's a part of the plan by the Gulf Monarchy to initiate deep relations with the Russians.

Similarly, the monarchies have also started making similar deals with India. So it's a collective pivot away from the US and towards other powers. The overall situation in the Middle East is not going in their favour after all, especially with the growing realization that Assad is not going anywhere.

 

[New World]

India has nothing to do with it. The UAE move to woo Russia is due to the acceptance that Russia is a big player in the Middle East, it's a fact that slapped them in the face very suddenly after Syria.

And they realize that if they don't woo Russia, then the Russians will start getting too close to Iran, and that's bad news for them.

The Saudis plan to raise a $2T SWF, and they want to invest a significant chunk in Russia, including selling them a stake in it, so it's a part of the plan by the Gulf Monarchy to initiate deep relations with the Russians.

Similarly, the monarchies have also started making similar deals with India. So it's a collective pivot away from the US and towards other powers. The overall situation in the Middle East is not going in their favour after all, especially with the growing realization that Assad is not going anywhere.

well examined and said...

 

[Jammer]

India has nothing to do with it. The UAE move to woo Russia is due to the acceptance that Russia is a big player in the Middle East, it's a fact that slapped them in the face very suddenly after Syria.

And they realize that if they don't woo Russia, then the Russians will start getting too close to Iran, and that's bad news for them.

The Saudis plan to raise a $2T SWF, and they want to invest a significant chunk in Russia, including selling them a stake in it, so it's a part of the plan by the Gulf Monarchy to initiate deep relations with the Russians.

Similarly, the monarchies have also started making similar deals with India. So it's a collective pivot away from the US and towards other powers. The overall situation in the Middle East is not going in their favour after all, especially with the growing realization that Assad is not going anywhere.

You make some good points, it will be interesting to see if Sukhoi can indeed run two parallel and separate 5th gen programs with TOT between India and UAE.

 

[randomradio]

You make some good points, it will be interesting to see if Sukhoi can indeed run two parallel and separate 5th gen programs with TOT between India and UAE.

This project will be under UAC and both Sukhoi and Mig will play a part in it. It's likely that the project will be run by Mig for the most part. Let's see how it goes.

It will be independent from the PAK FA/FGFA project. Other companies that lost out in the PAK FA may be involved in this project, so you will be seeing Klimov and Phazatron instead of Saturn and NIIP.

 

[Basel]

This project will be under UAC and both Sukhoi and Mig will play a part in it. It's likely that the project will be run by Mig for the most part. Let's see how it goes.

It will be independent from the PAK FA/FGFA project. Other companies that lost out in the PAK FA may be involved in this project, so you will be seeing Klimov and Phazatron instead of Saturn and NIIP.

What quality those companies can provide which lost to Saturn & NIIP in other projects?

 

[Khafee]

Loving this thread

 

[randomradio]

What quality those companies can provide which lost to Saturn & NIIP in other projects?

Klimov did not lose to Saturn for PAK FA. Salyut did. Klimov makes medium thrust engines for Mig-29.

And Phazatron, NIIP etc, they all use technology developed by KRET. It's like Nvidia designing the chips, and then Asus, Gigabyte etc customizing and marketing it.

Most of the other companies involved will be the same.

It's like Boeing losing to LM, it doesn't mean Boeing makes bad stuff. For example, Northrop's YF-23 was better than LM's YF-22, but Northrop lost because their tech was more advanced and complex, so risky.

This old article gives clues to the stuff that's happening and will happen in the near future.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...eks-middle-east-deals-maks-air-show/32109419/

 

[Khafee]

This project will be under UAC and both Sukhoi and Mig will play a part in it. It's likely that the project will be run by Mig for the most part. Let's see how it goes.

It will be independent from the PAK FA/FGFA project. Other companies that lost out in the PAK FA may be involved in this project, so you will be seeing Klimov and Phazatron instead of Saturn and NIIP.

Klimov did not lose to Saturn for PAK FA. Salyut did. Klimov makes medium thrust engines for Mig-29.

And Phazatron, NIIP etc, they all use technology developed by KRET. It's like Nvidia designing the chips, and then Asus, Gigabyte etc customizing and marketing it.

Most of the other companies involved will be the same.

It's like Boeing losing to LM, it doesn't mean Boeing makes bad stuff. For example, Northrop's YF-23 was better than LM's YF-22, but Northrop lost because their tech was more advanced and complex, so risky.

This old article gives clues to the stuff that's happening and will happen in the near future.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...eks-middle-east-deals-maks-air-show/32109419/

You are a funny guy

 

[Basel]

Klimov did not lose to Saturn for PAK FA. Salyut did. Klimov makes medium thrust engines for Mig-29.

And Phazatron, NIIP etc, they all use technology developed by KRET. It's like Nvidia designing the chips, and then Asus, Gigabyte etc customizing and marketing it.

Most of the other companies involved will be the same.

It's like Boeing losing to LM, it doesn't mean Boeing makes bad stuff. For example, Northrop's YF-23 was better than LM's YF-22, but Northrop lost because their tech was more advanced and complex, so risky.

This old article gives clues to the stuff that's happening and will happen in the near future.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...eks-middle-east-deals-maks-air-show/32109419/

Engine tech / quality of Mig-29/35 is not on par with engine tech in Su-35 That is why not selected for Russian 5th gen project.

 

[BATMAN]

well examined and said...

When India goes to US no one says it is wooing US against Pakistan!
Isn't is this moral tragedy.

 

[randomradio]

Engine tech / quality of Mig-29/35 is not on par with engine tech in Su-35 That is why not selected for Russian 5th gen project.

Mig-29/35 is old tech. Sukhoi was well funded because of the Su-35 project, which the RuAF inducted. Similarly, the RuAF inducted the Su-30MKI also. So Saturn had more funds to make superior products.

Now UAE and Russia can fund a superior engine development.

You are a funny guy

What now?

When India goes to US no one says it is wooing US against Pakistan!
Isn't is this moral tragedy.

No, it is US wooing India against China.

 

[BATMAN]

No, it is US wooing India against China.

Something similar couldhave been said here... its Russia wooing dinars!

 

[randomradio]

Something similar couldhave been said here... its Russia wooing dinars!

For Russia, it is dinars. No doubt. For Gulf Monarchy, it is Russia itself.

And Russia has the kind of influence in the Middle East that can attract dinars.

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

AFTER INDIA FAILED TO GAIN FROM RUSSIAN PROJECTS INDIA WANTS TO INJECT UAE AS REPLACEMENT AND INDIA WANT TO GO IN AMERICA CLUB FROM RUSSIAN