Two more FC Jawans embrace Shahadat in an attack.

[Pak Nationalist]

Enemy casualties in IOK at the lowest
Own casualties in FATA and Balochistan reaching new records

Good work Bajwa doctrine

Kashmiri resistance is fighting with 9mms and being butchered as could be expected. When institutions do not remain accountable to the public, these are the consequences. This culture of making army chiefs larger than life, promoting their "vision", engineering public opinion about some lofty doctrines when they take the office using compromised journalists is bearing full fruits now. At all fronts, we are at the receiving end. The enemy openly tells its public that it is the reason Pakistan is on the grey list. It attacks the heart of the Pakistani financial sector (PSX) in broad daylight, targets the ambassador of another country on our land (we allow it like a banana republic), targets the workforce working on a strategic project, the list stating enemy's impunity and one-sided attrition is long. Most profound is intelligence failure. Intelligence is not able to prevent these attacks from happening. Own response has become nonexistent, but that could be due to institutional decisions ("Bajwa doctrine"/infinite pacifism).

Ina lila, for the victims.

I dont understand the mods on these threads, why ban and delete posts just because you dont like them.
Does this have forum have no free speech ?, or people can only say goody good stuff, and everyone must keep eyes close to whats the ground situation.

For last few months Pakistan has gotten almost daily attacks and almost atleast lost 1 soldier.
You still dont see single actual statement about the situation.

People here are rejoicing that these are the after affects of India getting weaker in Afghanistan.
How are they getting weaker if they are carrying out daily attacks inside Pakistani state, killing Pakistani soldiers what are organisations and police force are doing ?

Unless military top brass has just taken a blind eye to whole situation as it doesn't affect to them so who cares,
Since Bajwa's extension hes been more involved in politics instead of doing actual job.

What ever you people say , i only see dark days for next atleast 5 to 10 years, as Pakistan will see suddenly influx of refugees come to Pakistan and i m sure Pakistan will accept these namak harams, which will fuel more crime & terrorism in Pakistan, Military(top brass) and All political parties are involved in this.

Bullseye!
If this is weakness, I wonder what strength looks like. Telling oneself stories and then believing in them hoping these stories turn out to be true has become the norm for many of our compatriots. They shy away from asking tough questions lest they be getting embroiled in 5GW against their own country. This lack of critical voices would not allow the status quo to be changed. The same security apparatus had the capacity to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure under Raheel Shareef. Have those capabilities atrophied under the current chief? If so, what are the causes? An individual could be involved in politics (politicized), but do his subordinates or the institution lose focus if the priorities of the institutional head lie elsewhere? If the answer is in affirmation, we must not allow politicization of our natsec institutions in the future at any cost. I don't see things changing on that account in the short term, unfortunately. Our national security institutions should acquire this wisdom at the institutional level for times to come that getting embroiled in politics compromises their core competencies IF the above is true. Civilian leaders can force this change only if they are able to offer better governance, so the public stops looking at other forces. Hence, institutional recognition remains the most viable option considering that civilian leadership is not yet able to win public confidence at the back of performance since 2007.

 

[Sifar zero]

Fencing was always going to be a dud, a waste of tax payer's money. People from the tribal districts tell me that TTP has dug up tunnels which it is using to easily move across the border. HUMINT network appears to be nearly non-existent. When there is no public pressure on institutions to deliver (the public doesn't know because the news of casualties is suppressed on institutional instructions), don't expect the status quo to change. This is in FATA, Balochistan had 2-3 attacks in two districts yesterday (like any other day). There is no response, no strategy. The current military leadership appears to be completely paralyzed, not even reacting, let alone proacting.

A a lot of soldiers have died while doing their duty on the fence so you should think before trying to downplay its benefits. The people you talked to are dumb and are the reason that TTP is thriving. We should stop trying to be politically correct the truth is that people of the Tribal areas collaborate with the terrorists and this is why we are losing soldiers in Waziristan ever other day.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

A alot of soldiers have died while doint their duty so you should think before trying to downplay its benfits. The people you talked to are dumb and are the reason that TTP is thriving. We should stop trying to be politically correct the truth is that people of the Tribal areas collabrate with the terrorists and this is why we are losing soldiers in Waziristan ever other day.

Some very pertinent questions arise. How is TTP suddenly able to stage spectacular attacks in districts that were largely pacified post-Zarb e Azb? Why was the momentum of Radd ul Fassad lost? Why is all this happening despite the fencing? If these are sleeper cells getting activated, why our intelligence could not weed them out in time? Soldiers' lives are not expendable. We cannot and should not brush everything under the carpet by stating that soldiers sacrificed their lives. Why are we facing such high levels of attrition should be the question that must be asked. If select people in tribal districts are collaborators, then take off the gloves and deal with them sternly to pacify these regions. This is where the role of intelligence again comes up, why is the intelligence not able to specify the collaborators? Look at how effective the Indians have become in IoK. Why are we not able to rely on our HUMINT network to weed out the sympathizers? Ask questions, if you don't, we would keep losing the precious lives of our soldiers.

 

[Sifar zero]

Some very pertinent questions arise. How is TTP suddenly able to stage spectacular attacks in districts that were largely pacified post-Zarb e Azb? Why was the momentum of Radd ul Fassad lost? Why is all this happening despite the fencing? If these are sleeper cells getting activated, why our intelligence could not weed them out in time? Soldiers' lives are not expendable. We cannot and should not brush everything under the carpet by stating that soldiers sacrificed their lives. Why are we facing such high levels of attrition should be the question that must be asked. If select people in tribal districts are collaborators, then take off the gloves and deal with them sternly to pacify these regions. This is where the role of intelligence again comes up, why is the intelligence not able to specify the collaborators? Look at how effective the Indians have become in IoK. Why are we not able to rely on our HUMINT network to weed out the sympathizers? Ask questions, if you don't, we would keep losing the precious lives of our soldiers.

There is HUMINT both in Balochistan and FATA ,there are Pro Pakistani militias operating in Balochistan they are called "Death Squads" by the terrorists. BLA and other groups frequently target these militias and people who the terrorists label as "Pakistani spys".

 

[HAIDER]

We crossed hundreds of thousands of military and paramilitary men fighting against TTP and Afghan mercenaries.

 

[SecularNationalist]

We have totally failed. Sorry but Army leadership seriously either needs to resign or do something drastic about it. We are loosing at least two soldiers on daily bases for past two months

On a bigger geo strategic picture we are not failed but succeeded instead. Well this was inevitable or atleast will continue for few months because of what's happening in afghanistan right now.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

There is HUMINT both in Balochistan and FATA ,there are Pro Pakistani militias operating in Balochistan they are called "Death Squads" by the terrorists. BLA and other groups frequently target these militias and people who the terrorists label as "Pakistani spys".

Yet the terrorists strike regions that are part of the CPEC route with impunity. There are many questions from the ones I noted above that remain unanswered. I believe that it is vital that these questions be asked. We were made to believe that fencing would drastically reduce violence in districts opposite to Afghanistan and Iran but the opposite has happened. A big investment (billions of PKR) was made to erect this infrastructure. Terrorists have found ways to nullify the impact of this infrastructure.

 

[Areesh]

Kashmiri resistance is fighting with 9mms and being butchered as could be expected. When institutions do not remain accountable to the public, these are the consequences. This culture of making army chiefs larger than life, promoting their "vision", engineering public opinion about some lofty doctrines when they take the office using compromised journalists is bearing full fruits now. At all fronts, we are at the receiving end. The enemy openly tells its public that it is the reason Pakistan is on the grey list. It attacks the heart of the Pakistani financial sector (PSX) in broad daylight, targets the ambassador of another country on our land (we allow it like a banana republic), targets the workforce working on a strategic project, the list stating enemy's impunity and one-sided attrition is long. Most profound is intelligence failure. Intelligence is not able to prevent these attacks from happening. Own response has become nonexistent, but that could be due to institutional decisions ("Bajwa doctrine"/infinite pacifism).

Bullseye!
If this is weakness, I wonder what strength looks like. Telling oneself stories and then believing in them hoping these stories turn out to be true has become the norm for many of our compatriots. They shy away from asking tough questions lest they be getting embroiled in 5GW against their own country. This lack of critical voices would not allow the status quo to be changed. The same security apparatus had the capacity to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure under Raheel Shareef. Have those capabilities atrophied under the current chief? If so, what are the causes? An individual could be involved in politics (politicized), but do his subordinates or the institution lose focus if the priorities of the institutional head lie elsewhere? If the answer is in affirmation, we must not allow politicization of our natsec institutions in the future at any cost. I don't see things changing on that account in the short term, unfortunately. Our national security institutions should acquire this wisdom at the institutional level for times to come that getting embroiled in politics compromises their core competencies IF the above is true. Civilian leaders can force this change only if they are able to offer better governance, so the public stops looking at other forces. Hence, institutional recognition remains the most viable option considering that civilian leadership is not yet able to win public confidence at the back of performance since 2007.

The thing is all of our policy and strategy to fight militancy is flawed and poor

Current military leadership has proven to be criminally incompetent to handle threats of insurgency and militancy. General Bajwa never deserved an extension but was given because Imran Khan wanted a friendly face in GHQ for himself. Clearly greed for power was the reason behind this extension and not merit

Also whatever our human intelligence we have in Fata or Balochistan is extremely poor and needs to be far more improved since currently it is a failure

Pakistani military and intelligence leadership also failed to eliminate TTP leadership in Afghanistan and let them regroup in Afghanistan. Same is the case with BLA too. Leadership of both terrorist organizations continue to live in peace in Iran and Afghanistan while their terrorists continue to attack and kill our soldiers with ease and impunity

Not to forget our military leadership also failed to make India pay for its acts of 5 August 2019 in kashmir. In fact militancy in kashmir has died under current leadership of Bajwa and Indian casualties are at lowest instead of growing up. It is a complete failure all in all.

 

[Sifar zero]

Yet the terrorists strike regions that are part of the CPEC route with impunity. There are many questions from the ones I noted above that remain unanswered. I believe that it is vital that these questions be asked. We were made to believe that fencing would drastically reduce violence in districts opposite to Afghanistan and Iran but the opposite has happened. A big investment (billions of PKR) was made to erect this infrastructure. Terrorists have found ways to nullify the impact of this infrastructure.

Honestly you are right. For me I don't give flying **** if any journalist or "student" goes missing but these lifafa sahafis do make a big deal out of it. Not even Imran Khan cares about these soldiers but if a dumb Afghan b*tch planned out a fake kidnapping to gain clout he suddenly cares and monitors the case like she is his long lost daughter.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

What we have not tried till now is increasing the costs for Indian backers of these proxies. That has to be tried to see if there is any letup in mischief on the Western flank of Indus. The past two decades have been for Pakistan what the '90s were for India. Indians built capabilities, improved intelligence gathering techniques, invested in institutions to combat insurgency. They were given breathing space to do much of this post-2002 parliament attack when that counter-infiltration grid went up across the LoC while we did nothing (Musharraf). Pakistan gave up on Kashmir in effect back then and that capitulation is coming back to haunt us. We had that breathing space at the back of work done during RS and perhaps Kyani era, we did not capitalize on all that time, instead, we became complacent making tall claims about defeating the insurgency and broken backs. This is something of a national trait where we become complacent as soon as the tipping point has been averted. We remain in a state of managed chaos and only react when chaos threatens to push us into the abyss completely. Even now there are prospects of attacks on our cities and public in the next stages. The miscreants began in earlier stages of insurgency by targeting military and LEAs as well and then graduated to unleashing terror on the people of Pakistan. It would happen again. We would keep complaining to the world about Indian support for terrorism. Geopolitics and geoeconomics would ensure no one pays any heed, we would keep bleeding, the foreign investment in our economy would remain distant due to the "deteriorating security environment", the quantum of economic disparity between us and our archrival will keep expanding to its benefit. What we have not tried is increasing costs for the Indians and more importantly building critical civil institutional capabilities to combat the threats in the sub-conventional realm. The military is not a counter-insurgency or law enforcement force, it is a conventional warfighting tool. It was able to uproot TTP in past because TTP controlled territories and was not a complete guerilla outfit that dissolved into the masses after attacking rather than controlling territories. In CTD we have the beginnings of a competent anti-terror institution that could lead our WoT, but we have not provided it with the resources for such an overtaking. There is little institutional thought towards addressing security challenges. Civilian leadership is incapable, while the military is overstretched and politicized.