Two Indian Aircraft Shot Down is a Part of History Now - ISPR

[Windjammer]

This is how Indian MOD and GOI take their gullible public for a ride.
A UAV and F-16 package.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112708039205883906

 

[Clutch]

Irrelevant whether Indian planes that violated LoC were targeted by F-16s or JF-17s: ISPR

Dawn.comUpdated April 01, 2019
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In this Feb 27 file photo, Pakistan Army soldiers stand near the wreckage from one of the Indian aircraft shot down by the PAF. — Photo: ISPR

The military's media wing on Monday said that it was meaningless to question whether Pakistan used JF-17 Thunder aircraft or US-built F-16 jets to shoot down two Indian Air Force (IAF) warplanes that violated Pakistani airspace on February 27, saying Pakistan has the right to use any of its ability for its defence.

The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) in its statement sought to address repeated claims by the Indian government and media that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had used F-16 jets in the air battle with Indian jets and that a Pakistani F-16 jet was shot down by Indian pilots.

"The February 27 incident has become a part of history," the ISPR statement said, explaining that PAF JF-17 Thunders jets had carried out strikes across the Line of Control (LoC) that day from inside the Pakistani airspace, in response to the Indian strikes in Balakot.

Later, when two Indian jets violated the LoC after the Pakistani strikes, they were shot down by the PAF.

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"Whether these two Indian jets were targeted by F-16 [jet] or JF-17... this question is meaningless," the ISPR said.

"When the Indian planes crossed [the LoC] all of PAF's airplanes including F-16s were airborne," the statement further said, recalling that the PAF had shot down both the Indian jets "in its defence".

The military's media wing emphasised that India could "pick any jet of its choice according to its wishes" but that would not change the end result of the dogfight that took place in February.

"Even if F-16 [jet] was used [by Pakistan], two Indian jets were targeted.

"Pakistan reserves the right to use its every capability for its defence however it wishes," the ISPR concluded.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

No they did not, ISPR's exact words on Feb 27 were, no F-16s were used in "entire action", It is only later they modified this statement F-16 were not used for bombing.

But tell me this, F-16 firing Aim -120 missile of Indian aircrafts, wouldn't it be classified as part of "entire action"?

They were not part of the action don't mean they were not defending the country's airspace.
A soldier deployed at Rajistan border won't be considered as a part of action at LOC.

 

[Dushyant]

No they did not, ISPR's exact words on Feb 27 were, no F-16s were used in "entire action", It is only later they modified this statement F-16 were not used for bombing.

But tell me this, F-16 firing Aim -120 missile of Indian aircrafts, wouldn't it be classified as part of "entire action"?

That day the DG ISPR was talking to media about action planned and executed in response to IAF raid. it is obvious that other aircrafts would be in air , he does not need to mention several SQNs that would be flying CAP to avoid being caught napping .

 

[Osiris]

Same as of 27/2 statement. Crystal clear.


Dead body of that Sikh pilot is in cold storage of Red Cross. Is that a rocket science to understand. Just claim and get it. Every thing will be clear to you.

Firstly ROFL.

Secondly, aren't there suppose to be dead pilots, since you claim, you shot down Su 30 Mki and Su 30 has 2 pilots, so where is the second Su pilot ?

They were not part of the action don't mean they were not defending the country's airspace.
A soldier deployed at Rajistan border won't be considered as a part of action at LOC.

If that soldier were firing missiles into India , then he definitely would be part of the action of that day.

 

[Windjammer]

Firstly ROFL.

Secondly, aren't there suppose to be dead pilots, since you claim, you shot down Su 30 Mki and Su 30 has 2 pilots, so where is the second Su pilot ?

Maybe your answer lies in the Mi-17 crash.
First it was two bodies, then five and eventually seven.
Didn't the IAF knew how many people were in the CSAR helicopter.

 

[Microsoft]

Basically ISPR is saying cry and b*tch all you want F-16 is there and it's not for show. Statement by US ambassador to Pakistan:

“'An enhanced F-16 program also has deterrence value by giving Pakistan time and space to employ a conventional, rather than nuclear, reaction in the event of a future conflict with India,' wrote Patterson in her 20-paragraph communique, as disclosed by WikiLeaks"

This is a warning for future misadventures by Indians. Regarding events on Feb 27 ISPR confirmed JF-17 killed 2 planes and confirmed by patches to be SU-30, Mig-21. Cry all you want maybe someone will give you a pacifier.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Firstly ROFL.

Secondly, aren't there suppose to be dead pilots, since you claim, you shot down Su 30 Mki and Su 30 has 2 pilots, so where is the second Su pilot ?



If that soldier were firing missiles into India , then he definitely would be part of the action of that day.

The soldier u have been refering to have not fired any missile and was just watching from his post using binocular.

 

[Osiris]

The soldier u have been refering to have not fired any missile and was just watching from his post using binocular.

If no missiles were fired, by that soldier(F-16 in this case), then where did this come from?

Maybe your answer lies in the Mi-17 crash.
First it was two bodies, then five and eventually seven.
Didn't the IAF knew how many people were in the CSAR helicopter.

I hope you do know, the difference between Fighter pilot, helicopter pilot and ground staff.

Were, any of the dead from Mi 17 crash, fighter pilots ?

 

[crankthatskunk]

Damn this day 27

Remember, I have repeatedly said, more than 1 kill by PAF.
I don't think this is the full story, more to come out. Remember ISPR is only confirming that PAF downed two jets which intruded in Pakistan airspace. They have proofs of those, probably the videos from on board cameras.

What ISPR is not telling what happened inside IoK airspace.
- How many of IAF jets downed by BVR missiles!!!
- What damage the Air to Ground bombs caused.
These still have to come out.

 

[HRK]

So you are saying they will cancel this tender and process and directly order 110 A/Cs without any process?

By last evaluation process of fighter jets IAF has gathered enough data which can facilitate them in their decision so the option may be

1- Either go for more Rafale jets which is expensive but still appears favourable specially if we keep the statements of Modi and Air chief of Indian Air force in our mind.

2- Or Fifth Gen option which might be F-35 but these might not be in large number as this option will have its political implication at Indo-Russian defence relations, here keep in mind F-35 is not just a fighter jet but a part of a complete system of advance US technologies, which mean India Air force will have to adopt many of US systems such as DATA link, Satellite guidance, Early warning etc. etc. this will defiantly take time and will obviously cut the involvement of Russia from Indian defence market

India could prove as an alternative in F-35 program IF for some reason Turkey is forced out from the participation, in this case IAF will buy F-35 in high numbers

3- Another option a middle ground and appears more practical is a combo of Rafale and F-35 representing the share of western aviation in Indian defence market and backed by upgraded Su-30MKI (Super Sukhois program) representing Russian share

 

[Windjammer]

I hope you do know, the difference between Fighter pilot and helicopter pilot and ground staff.

Were any of the dead from Mi 17 crash, fighter pilots ?

I know exactly the difference and that's what you need to find out.....how many actually died in the Helo crash and how many elsewhere.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

If no missiles were fired, by that soldier(F-16 in this case), then where did this come from?

I hope you do know, the difference between Fighter pilot and helicopter pilot and ground staff.

Were any of the dead from Mi 17 crash, fighter pilots ?

There is no proof that this missile even belong to Pakistan at first place.
Looks like indian ego was hurt badly when they were told that they were humiliated by JF-17. They want to accept the humiliation but with little ammendment, i.e. F-16 shot them not JF-17.

 

[crankthatskunk]

LOL high on some thing?
Obviously India is going to buy F-35. India has no other 5th gen option. China will not sell India and Russian one India cannot buy.

By the way what happened to the 5th Generation jet India was developing with Russian PAKFA!!
Gone by the wind side like all other Indian's projects!!!

 

[M.AsfandYar]

3- Another option a middle ground and appears more practical is a combo of Rafale and F-35 representing the share of western aviation in Indian defence market and backed by upgraded Su-30MKI (Super Sukhois program) representing Russian share

Why does this seem highly unlikely?