Tution or Cheating, Which Is Better?

[Tu tu]

LHuang, please refrain from using the word "we" to represent the chinese people, many of your views expressed here does not represent China. You could be of whatever ethnicity but you are more like an Australian than a Chinese, if you are a chinese by ethnicity I suspect you might have grown up in Australia with an identity crisis, the Australians view you as a chinese but you don't really understand China that much and hence the interest in China's domestic and international affairs (and learning Mandarin, taking cultural classes etc etc), but learn to understand China first before you come out and "represent". Thank you for your understanding!

and who gave you the authority to judge his authenticity??????
just because he doesn't agree with you on certain issues makes him less Chinese then you are?????

seriously dude [refer to bold part]


no offense intended



Jai Hind!

 

[lhuang]

LHuang, please refrain from using the word "we" to represent the chinese people, many of your views expressed here does not represent China. You could be of whatever ethnicity but you are more like an Australian than a Chinese, if you are a chinese by ethnicity I suspect you might have grown up in Australia with an identity crisis, the Australians view you as a chinese but you don't really understand China that much and hence the interest in China's domestic and international affairs (and learning Mandarin, taking cultural classes etc etc), but learn to understand China first before you come out and "represent". Thank you for your understanding!

I'm not representing China. I'm Chinese by ethnicity, Australian by citizenship + residence. But on these forums I speak as a Chinese person. That does not however mean what I think is what all Chinese or the Chinese government thinks.

 

[chinapakistan]

i would like to constructively debate on this but it would derail the thread ......should i make a new one???????

Debate what? Is that not true english is offical language? or the number we are using is not from arabian number?

@topic

to certain extent we all copy techniques..... something that has been invented is bound to be copied..... be it a sewing pin or nuclear bomb....

That is my point.

in my view a lots of tution + a lil bit of cheating makes a great combo........
whatever Chinese did morally right/wrong is other thing but the fact is that they are ahead of us......

PS: we all took tutions and we all cheated in our school times ..... atleast i did


Jai Hind!

yes, including me.

 

[chinapakistan]

and who gave you the authority to judge his authenticity??????
just because he doesn't agree with you on certain issues makes him less Chinese then you are?????

seriously dude [refer to bold part]


no offense intended



Jai Hind!

He is a fake chinese, I proved that in other thread days ago.

 

[chachachoudhary]

A nation's character is also a continuous evolving phenomenon like human evolution. The policy makers/politicians/people of every nation decide on what ethics, principles, and polity they want to take forward their nation. So, China and India have chosen a system each for themselves.

The kind of system that China has adated allows and in fact facilitates to get away with things like copying or reverse engineering of stuff as the politicians there are not answerable to anyone. There is no question of even a debate in china of what course it should select in dealing with a particular problem. There, the rulers choose and others have no option but to follow, period.

However, this is not true for countries like india. In india, every single decision has to go through a democratic process unless a consensus is arrived and even if a decision is taken nobody stops anybody from raising questions, criticising, filing law suites, etc.

Imagine, can there be anything like a sting operation in China? Can china afford to have anything like free press. Can anybody demand anything like comparative trials? Is there anything like Right to information act in china?

So, India has no option, but to choose a path of Techonology transfer, joint ventures, and R&D. This may initially sound time consuming and red tapism, but has immense benefits in the long run and truth is there is again a BIG LIMIT to reverse engineering. The critical componets are always copy proof.

It is easy to make "identical dabbas" with identical paint, but what makes a difference is the technology inside and that unfortunately comes hard way and at a price.

 

[Tu tu]

Debate what? Is that not true english is offical language? or the number we are using is not from arabian number?


That is my point.



yes, including me.

arabian numbers are 'inspired' by ancient india....

english is Secondary official language........

i can provide facts and figures but it would derail the thread thats why ...... 1 more thread?



Jai Hind!

 

[topjumper]

I'm not representing China. I'm Chinese by ethnicity, Australian by citizenship + residence. But on these forums I speak as a Chinese person. That does not however mean what I think is what all Chinese or the Chinese government thinks.

Sir, thank you for your understanding.

I have very little interest in debating about anyone's ethnicity and like it or not this issue has been beaten to death on many former occasions, some harsh words were exchanged and I hope you don't take it too seriously.

The reason I replied to you because in your replies you gave the impression that you represented the Chinese people's views or opinions and in a way made a not very nice impression of China. Let's take your previous post as a quick example:

With power comes right, let anyone who has any problems with how we develop technology take it up with the officials. China and Chinese government don't give a **** about anything other than China. If we develop Chinas military at the expense of the profits that foreign companies would make, so be it.

You're grasping at straws trying to claim the moral high ground for not developing military gear from the exports of other countries. How can you claim this high ground when from this high position your soldiers die because their gear is barely better than that which the terrorists are equipped with.

India was faced with a choice, copy technology or let soldiers die. You chose let soldiers die.

In your reply you implicitly implied that China is cheating to get around and don't care about the rest of the world, this in fact is a very misleading western layman's view -- China did not get to where it is today by cheating, it did so by its hard work and have prudent (or prudent enough) fiscal, domestic and foreign policies, you can not build a strong nation by producing fake dvds and sunglasses, those are black market products (people trade them probably don't even pay taxes) and it's not the growth driver of the Chinese economy.

Also your wording of "problems with how we develop technology take it up with the officials", and then right after "Chinese government don't give a ****", "If we develop Chinas military at the expense of...", these expressions in your discussed context gives a very strong impression that you are speaking for the Chinese or the Chinese government and causes misunderstanding. I hope you see my point of view and would be grateful if you can be careful enough to not to give that kind of impression in the future.

Many thanks!

 

[chinapakistan]

arabian numbers are 'inspired' by ancient india....

Really, I dont know this.

english is Secondary official language........

Whatever first official language or secondary official language, you are using it as your official language.

 

[lhuang]

Sir, thank you for your understanding.

I have very little interest in debating about anyone's ethnicity and like it or not this issue has been beaten to death on many former occasions, some harsh words were exchanged and I hope you don't take it too seriously.

The reason I replied to you because in your replies you gave the impression that you represented the Chinese people's views or opinions and in a way made a not very nice impression of China. Let's take your previous post as a quick example:

With power comes right, let anyone who has any problems with how we develop technology take it up with the officials. China and Chinese government don't give a **** about anything other than China. If we develop Chinas military at the expense of the profits that foreign companies would make, so be it.

You're grasping at straws trying to claim the moral high ground for not developing military gear from the exports of other countries. How can you claim this high ground when from this high position your soldiers die because their gear is barely better than that which the terrorists are equipped with.

India was faced with a choice, copy technology or let soldiers die. You chose let soldiers die.

In your reply you implicitly implied that China is cheating to get around and don't care about the rest of the world, this in fact is a very misleading western layman's view -- China did not get to where it is today by cheating, it did so by its hard work and have prudent (or prudent enough) fiscal, domestic and foreign policies, you can not build a strong nation by producing fake dvds and sunglasses, those are black market products (people trade them probably don't even pay taxes) and it's not the growth driver of the Chinese economy.

Also your wording of "problems with how we develop technology take it up with the officials", and then right after "Chinese government don't give a ****", "If we develop Chinas military at the expense of...", these expressions in your discussed context gives a very strong impression that you are speaking for the Chinese or the Chinese government and causes misunderstanding. I hope you see my point of view and would be grateful if you can be careful enough to not to give that kind of impression in the future.

Many thanks!

I see what you mean.

Frankly no matter how much we are nice to each other on this forum. A country goes after its national interests, at the expense of others, this is something that we on this forum can't be blind to. Things are not so black and white in geo politics.

 

[lhuang]

He is a fake chinese, I proved that in other thread days ago.

You are fake too, I proved that you don't exist in an other thread a couple of days ago.

 

[chinapakistan]

You are fake too, I proved that you don't exist in an other thread a couple of days ago.

Go ahead.

 

[Srinivas]

With power comes right, let anyone who has any problems with how we develop technology take it up with the officials. China and Chinese government don't give a **** about anything other than China. If we develop Chinas military at the expense of the profits that foreign companies would make, so be it.

You're grasping at straws trying to claim the moral high ground for not developing military gear from the exports of other countries. How can you claim this high ground when from this high position your soldiers die because their gear is barely better than that which the terrorists are equipped with.

India was faced with a choice, copy technology or let soldiers die. You chose let soldiers die.

Wrong conclusion. If u compare the quality of military equipment of both, India has the edge over china.
India has altered the path of innovation now a days. It is buying the technology(TOT) of the present and mastering it and then it is innovating. (I think this model suits India since it has no arms embargo)
China on the other hand has no technology available in the market so it is trying to steal the technology and then it is building its own products.
But if this situation continues in the long term India will have more R&D edge over china.

 

[lhuang]

Go ahead.

I already have.

 

[below_freezing]

Wrong conclusion. If u compare the quality of military equipment of both, India has the edge over china.
India has altered the path of innovation now a days. It is buying the technology(TOT) of the present and mastering it and then it is innovating. (I think this model suits India since it has no arms embargo)
China on the other hand has no technology available in the market so it is trying to steal the technology and then it is building its own products.
But if this situation continues in the long term India will have more R&D edge over china.

we built our first plane in the 1960's: the J-8. reverse engineering isn't stealing, that's complete BS. are you saying if you take a physics class, and there's no teacher but you have the book, your knowledge is stolen and fake if you read the book yourself, but your knowledge is good and great if the teacher teachs you?

we can't even buy the books (the technology samples) in this case. we have to scavange for them, but once we bought a few books in the past, we applied what we learned in those books and wrote books of ourselves. No teacher was there to teach us all this time.

In china, independent students like that are respected by the public, dunno about india.

 

[LCA Tejas]

Well, Learning how To Make an Aircraft is way too better advancement than reverse engineering , By reverse engineering He/she is not broadening his/her world But only narrowing it to that Single product which is getting reverse Engineered...

but an advancement in the field of Such sophisticated technologies can only be Done through proper Channels, that is learn it from depth , Go loose and Explore the vital Technologies, learn it, Get help from those experienced In the field and Pave your way ahead....

We Are broadening our Vision by learning it from basics....And It will give result very soon.... So India is doing a right job by R&D, no matter how much criticism we might have to face, this vision must sustain... The world will look through us one day, That day will be all ours, till then lets just stand and Allow some Intellectual people to criticize us