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Turks lose trust in Russia, warm to US
The Turkish public’s trust in Russia has declined in favor of the United States due to the rising conflicts between Ankara and Moscow over the Libyan and Syrian civil wars, according to a survey.
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Jun 30, 2020

The Turkish public’s trust in Russia has declined while trust in the United States has increased, a public opinion poll published this month shows, revealing the impact of the conflict between Ankara and Moscow’s regional policies.

The “Turkish Foreign Policy Public Perceptions” survey conducted by Istanbul's Kadir Has University in April found that support for Russia declined by 14 percentage points from last year as the number of people who see Russia as a threat jumped to 55% from 44.2% in 2019. In parallel, the poll suggests that the overall trust in the United States has increased. The number of people who see the United States as a threat declined by some 11 percentage points, decreasing 70% from 81.3% in 2019.

The United States’ support for the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) and the Washington administration’s policies vis-a-vis the Kurds in the Middle East were the top two answers from respondents about what they saw as the most important problem in ties between the two NATO allies. Washington’s support for the PYD was the top reason for distrust at 34%, while 27.2% of respondents pointed to the United States’ "Kurdish policies in the Middle East.”

Turkey sees the PYD and its military arm the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units as terrorist organizations and wants the United States to designate them as such. Yet the Kurdish groups remain the United States' most reliable ally in Syria.

There might be a correlation between the decline in the distrust and the personal ties between Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US President Donald Trump, according to Mustafa Aydin, the coordinator of the survey and professor of international relations at Kadir Has. Yet the current positive outlook in the bilateral relation might be cosmetic, Aydin warned.

“There are important problems between Turkey and the United States, but Trump is able to act as if these problems do not exist thanks to his personal relations,” Aydin told Al-Monitor. “Despite these results, it is difficult to expect a lasting positive change.”

As for relations with Russia, Aydin believes the ties between Ankara and Moscow are a better fit for cooperation. “Despite ups and downs, the relationship seems like it will continue based on both cooperation and rivalry,” Aydin said, adding that support for rival parties in Syrian and Libyan civil wars contributed to the results of the survey.

The results reflect the developments over the past three months, Aydin said, pointing out that Erdogan’s recent positive messages about the United States have also been influential. Earlier this month, Erdogan said Turkey and the United States are headed for a “new era” in their relations following his phone conversation with Trump on June 7.

Huseyin Bagci, professor of international relations at Ankara’s Middle East Technical University, said that conflicts of interests in Libya with Moscow played a role in the decline of the Turks’ trust in Russia. Bagci believes that Moscow’s refusal to withdraw the Russian Wagner Group mercenaries supporting Khalifa Hifter’s Libyan National Army affected the Turkish public’s view of Moscow.

“The relations with the United States always had ups and downs. Turkey remains a strategic partner of the United States and it doesn’t want to drift away from the US orbit,” Bagci told Al-Monitor.

Another striking result of the survey was a five-point decline in the public’s support of NATO. Yet, Bagci does not find the change very significant, as the majority of the respondents said that the Turkish government would not leave NATO.

“Leaving NATO means becoming a third world country in regards to security,” Bagci said. “No government would risk it.”

The survey revealed that public perception of the foreign policy is not balanced, as knowledge of foreign policy matters is dependent on reporting by the Turkish press, which is “not free,” and Erdogan’s remarks, according to Unal Cevikoz, deputy chair of the main opposition Republican People’s Party and a former diplomat.

“The president is always on the screen. Thus, these two factors have been determinant in shaping the public perception of the foreign policy,” Cevikoz told Al-Monitor, adding that 69% of the respondents consider Erdogan the person with the last word in foreign policy.

Erdogan’s criticism of Washington over its alliance with the PYD has subsided recently. “This, of course, has a role in the decline of both trust in Russia and distrust in the United States,” according to the former diplomat.

Ozgur Ozmadar, assistant professor of international relations at Bilkent University, meanwhile, believes that the survey reveals the public's grasp of foreign policy developments. According to Ozdamar, the deep-rooted anti-Americanism among the public may diminish if the conflicts between Ankara and Washington lessen.

The Turkish public has never been in favor of “extreme” foreign policy choices, Ozdamar tol Al-Monitor, explaining, “[The public] has never been in favor of a foreign policy which fully supports the West or East over the other.”

“I can say that Turkey’s public opinion has been for the middle road when it comes to foreign policy,” Ozdamar said. “The presumption that democracy and a well-functioning market economy are the best remedies for the political-economical struggles Turkey faces can explain the increasing approval of the Western institutions,” he added.

The poll also spotted a change in Turks’ perception of Turkish identity. Those who see Turkey as a primarily Islamic country have decreased by some 34% in two years, declining from 56.3% in 2018 to 22.4% in 2020.

A loss of support for the ruling Justice and Development Party and its Islamic outlook might explain the results, according to Aydin.

“The overall results of the survey indicates an important shift in Turkey’s axis from the East to West,” Aydin said. “We don’t know if it’s a permanent change, but I don’t expect this trend to [stop].”

Bagci says the results are not surprising. “There is disappointment toward the Arab world. Turkey is a European country,” he said. “I’m not even a bit surprised. What has been going on in the name of Islam began drawing angry reactions from the public.”

Cevikoz thinks the results show that the public has begun to associate more with the West than with the Islamic world.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...ust-less-in-russia-more-in-united-states.html
 
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The Turkish-Russian relationship in the conflict areas is largely based on the principles of damage control. Parties clash with each other both in Libya, Ukraine and Syria. Also, the reason for the worst period of the last 40 years in relations with the USA is the conflicts that has been going on especially since 2016. This conflict includes coup and civil war attempt, and 3 cross-border operations in response. The policies of the parties clash in both Syria and Iraq. Much of the above article is nonsense.

There is no rapprochement towards neither Russia nor the USA. Turkey is pursing towards with its own interests. This situation brings it a complex relationship structures with both Russia and the USA. However, creating a strategic alliance with Russia still quite diffucult (than USA) in terms of geopolitical terms. I don't have time right now, but when any technical analysis made; can be seen that the current government in Turkey also taking China axis into account as emerging power, along with these two conventional block.
 
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The question is, could/would we or Russians Trust a NATO member especially after their collaboration with West in destruction of Syria and North Africe?

We all have positive background of Turkish people in our minds. My question was about their leaders and politicians.
 
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The best policy for Turkey is to follow its own interest and keep relations with both US and Russia. Keep up with indigenization and technology development, keep a hold on Mediterranean and tje natural resources and have a few good alliances. Also Turkey should have good relations with China.
 
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How many wars between Russian and Turks. 12? It's native to trust, trust is base on common interest.
History of the Russo-Turkish wars

Depends if you just look at Ottoman-Russian wars. Before that there was other Turkish kingdoms that ruled Russian Moscovy and had many many wars, add to that the Crimean Khanate which was an Ottoman vassal it would probably reach hundreds of wars. I didnt say dont trust Russia just because of our wars though, just in general. Politically they are not an ally you can trust.

We should learn to not be emotional and work for our best interests. As I always said, we won many wars but lost on the table. We are a nation that is very bad in foreign policy imo.
 
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Has Turkey ever trusted in Russia in the last 300 years?o_O
Nice Q , and answer is yes.

The most obvious is the Soviet-Turkis relations when Turkish liberation war and the industrialization efforts of the young republic. Financial aid from Central Asia, especially the Bukhara Turks, reached the Turkish assembly with the help of Soviet Russia. (Of course, most of these money was seized by the communist party. Very few of them have reached Anatolia.) In the same period Soviet Russia was one of main countries which Turkish National Assembly supplying weapons and ammunitions. Of course, this situation is also related to the Russian communist party's misjudgment about conjuncture. Because liberation war was rising at that time as popular/public movement against western imperialism.

However, geopolitical conditions prevent the two countries from developing a long-term strategic relationship. Most of the Turkish world was under the occupation of Russian imperialism until 1990. Even today, the Apparatchik leftovers inside us are a big problem. It is almost impossible to paralleling Turkish and Russian interests, depending on historical and geographical reasons.
 
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especially after their collaboration with West in destruction of Syria and North Africe?

Please dont be delusional, ppl are not blind or dumb. Syria was destroyed by assad himself and then russia.
 
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Nice Q , and answer is yes.

The most obvious is the Soviet-Turkis relations when Turkish liberation war and the industrialization efforts of the young republic. Financial aid from Central Asia, especially the Bukhara Turks, reached the Turkish assembly with the help of Soviet Russia. In the same period Soviet Russia was one of main countries which Turkish National Assembly supplying weapons and ammunitions. Of course, this situation is also related to the Russian communist party's misjudgment about conjuncture. Because Turkey was rising at that time as popular/public movement against western imperialism.

However, geopolitical conditions prevent the two countries from developing a long-term strategic relationship. Most of the Turkish world was under the occupation of Russian imperialism until 1990. Even today, the Apparatchik leftovers inside us are a big problem. It is almost impossible to paralleling Turkish and Russian interests, depending on historical and geographical reasons.
We and our religious scholars defended Ottomans in World war.

Its in the past, today is different my friend.
Please dont be delusional, ppl are not blind or dumb. Syria was destroyed by assad himself and then russia.
Syria was destroyed By WESTERN-NATO supported Vampires and headchoppers of ISIS and Qaeda.
 
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In the past, Japan and the US were the enemies. But now, they are brothers. This may be true for Turkey and Russia in the future.
 
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