Turkish Rail Gun( Tufan): Awesome Piece of Engineering

[Irfan Baloch]

Awesome technology !! Pakistan needs to seriously look at this and I hope they start a home grown program.

the technology and resources involved prohibitively expensive and complex and enormous we cant do everything in house. we will have to let go our fighter program, our drone program or our missile program or any other notable in house military related project.

its not economically viable, not technically possible due to limited resources but also there is lack of knowledge in this field. best route is request/ join the Turkish program and build the technical knowledge in the field

Pakistan should definitely get those from the brother nation.

this is best option. the hard work is already done by Turks and this defensive weapon can really dent the Indian cold start doctrine.

The technology to develop a railgun is not that difficult, the difficulty is size and the amount of energy to fire. Chinese have put it to test trials, a big ship and half of the ship is used for the railgun. The one who manage the supply system and solve the size, will be the winner.

thats it. making it economically viable and practical is where the technological difficulty lies. size is one challenge and the use of energy is another challenge.
super conducting materials, electromagnetic construction. super alloys tolerance to immense heat and electromagnetic forces that turn the metallic slug to plasma and can twist metal like a tin can.
North Koreans and Iranians (no pun intended) make impressive looking exoskeletons of impressive looking weapons but its never known if they really can work as claimed or not.

 

[Offshore]

The technology to develop a railgun is not that difficult, the difficulty is size and the amount of energy to fire. Chinese have put it to test trials, a big ship and half of the ship is used for the railgun. The one who manage the supply system and solve the size, will be the winner.

The difficulty is not the size or amount of energy..
But continues power supply for the gun to be able to shoot 1000 times without out of power.
Chinese engineers have solved the problem and the results tested on the ship is very good.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

We should have these guns at every checkpost along Afghan border.

and along Pak iran border and along eastern border and around strategic locations. they are impressive point defense weapons. they can knock out missiles and artillery projectiles , planes have no chance to escape. and can also rain precise long range bombardment as well and due to unimaginable speeds of projectiles , the earth gravity effects become irrelevant only thing to consider is computer fire control and programming for long range bombardment to account for earth rotation. due to their long range they can provide MRSI (multi round simultaneous impact) deep inside any suspected base of camp and will devastate enemy concentration right in its assembly area (putting a stop to a cold start). advantage of MRSI is that all rounds fired from even a single weapon in quick succession are fired in a way that they land simultaneously and give no chance of anticipation or cover for the enemy.

 

[Basel]

US military already successfully tested laser anti aircraft gun means no longer SAMs in future.

In next few decades laser weapons will be fielded along with other air defense assets until Tech mature.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

US military already successfully tested laser anti aircraft gun means no longer SAMs in future.

US and UK are way ahead in this field no doubt. BAE systems is building the rail guns for the US Navy and their lasers are already deployed on multiple platforms against Missiles and aeroplanes
another closer relative to rail guns is nicknamed as metal storm that is also electronic weapon where only moving part is the projectile these are next step to the conventional weapons of the present times.

The difficulty is not the size or amount of energy..

it is the case for any newcomer in this technology that lacks the technical know how and industrial base

But continues power supply for the gun to be able to shoot 1000 times without out of power.

agreed, and this is the next challenge and it seems thats where US and UK are working on

Chinese engineers have solved the problem and the results tested on the ship is very good.

thats good to know and this solution will help tremendously in protecting Chinese interests in South China Sea.

 

[Maxpane]

Awsome

 

[Oublious]

The difficulty is not the size or amount of energy..
But continues power supply for the gun to be able to shoot 1000 times without out of power.
Chinese engineers have solved the problem and the results tested on the ship is very good.

Well if you want use the ship only to shoot railgun then you solved. To big for a battleship.

 

[Offshore]

Well if you want use the ship only to shoot railgun then you solved. To big for a battleship.

Not to big for 055 ship

 

[BATMAN]

and along Pak iran border and along eastern border and around strategic locations. they are impressive point defense weapons. they can knock out missiles and artillery projectiles , planes have no chance to escape. and can also rain precise long range bombardment as well and due to unimaginable speeds of projectiles , the earth gravity effects become irrelevant only thing to consider is computer fire control and programming for long range bombardment to account for earth
Wrotation. due to their long range they can provide MRSI (multi round simultaneous impact) deep inside any suspected base of camp and will devastate enemy concentration right in its assembly area (putting a stop to a cold start). advantage of MRSI is that all rounds fired from even a single weapon in quick succession are fired in a way that they land simultaneously and give no chance of anticipation or cover for the enemy.

Waoo that is some serious shit.
We should order 100s of these, instead of wasting millions on Oerlikon guns.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Waoo that is some serious shit.
We should order 100s of these, instead of wasting millions on Oerlikon guns.

Oelikons are awesome guns.
I have seen them firing. they are no joke. it will take time to phase out the conventional ammunition weapon systems.
like I said. the right level of top tier technology is very hard to acquire because its jealously guarded.
Turks have done wonders , they were masters of gunnery / artillery since their Ottoman times and that spirit and ingenuity is still there.
the Tofan weapon system is a demonstration model but seems very promising. it can perform fire support, area denial, air defense and long range bombardment when its upgraded full scale models come in production.
there are many technological hurdles to deploy it on a mobile platform. the size, its power source and level of its engineering . in case of a point defense static platform, the size and energy source issues can be addressed much easily.

 

[BATMAN]

Oelikons are awesome guns.
I have seen them firing. they are no joke. it will take time to phase out the conventional ammunition weapon systems.
like I said. the right level of top tier technology is very hard to acquire because its jealously guarded.
Turks have done wonders , they were masters of gunnery / artillery since their Ottoman times and that spirit and ingenuity is still there.
the Tofan weapon system is a demonstration model but seems very promising. it can perform fire support, area denial, air defense and long range bombardment when its upgraded full scale models come in production.
there are many technological hurdles to deploy it on a mobile platform. the size, its power source and level of its engineering . in case of a point defense static platform, the size and energy source issues can be addressed much easily.

Oerlikons are indeed awesome machines but super expensive.
If i'm not wrong, we need to buy rounds also from Oerlikon, which costs us millions in operational expenses.
I expect TUFAN to be x10 less expensive in life cycle costs.

 

[SecularNationalist]

agreed, and this is the next challenge and it seems thats where US and UK are working on

Huge wireless power banks is the solution i guess.

this is best option. the hard work is already done by Turks and this defensive weapon can really dent the Indian cold start doctrine.

Indeed.

 

[Timur]

whats about the rails .. how did anybody solve the wearing of the rails? there must be enourmous heat and electricity go through the rails or do they just have a life cyle and change it like after 20000 rounds or less?

 

[xenon54 out]

whats about the rails .. how did anybody solve the wearing of the rails? there must be enourmous heat and electricity go through the rails or do they just have a life cyle and change it like after 20000 rounds or less?

The rails are cooled and the projectile has no contact only the discards which isnt metal i guess, think of it like a maglev.

 

[CAN_TR]