Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[LordTyrannus]

USA designing your country since decades.

They killed your Atatürk with poison in 1938 to avoid a possible alliance with Germany, 1950 they started a huge capitalist campaign to get Menderes elected in Turkey, 1960 they brainwashed Türkes in Westpoint to overthrow Menderes, because Menderes was about to shift his allegiance to the Soviet Union, In 1980 they designed a coup with their NATO-Soldier Evren to stop socialist soviet influence in Turkish society, In 2001 they crashed your banks to stop your Military becoming independend from NATO, and now they are on the best way to destroy your elected Government to install a Liberal Puppet Regime under western control.

Oh, but thats all just conspiracy...

 

[u.MP]

USA designing your country since decades.

They killed your Atatürk with poison in 1938 to avoid a possible alliance with Germany, 1955 they started a huge capitalist campaign to get Menderes elected in Turkey, 1960 they brainwashed Türkes in Westpoint to overthrow Menderes, because Menderes was about to shift his allegiance to the Soviet Union, In 1980 they designed a coup with their NATO-Soldier Evren to stop socialist soviet influence in Turkish society, In 2001 they crashed your banks to stop your Military becoming independend from NATO, and now they are on the best way to destroy your elected Government to install a Liberal Puppet Regime under western control.

Oh, but thats all just conspiracy...

Da jews did it
blame the zionists
blame the illuminati
9/11 was fake
NWO
banks control the world
hurr
durr

 

[atatwolf]

Erdogan unites Ottoman Values with modernity. Without his leadership and statesmanship Turkey will fall back to the point where it was in 2001.

Most of the young people who protest Erdogan dont even know that time. They think Turkey is a naturaly western country, but that is not true. Turkey is a middle eastern country, only with a western orientated military. Just like Egypt. The only difference is that Egyptian military is not as disciplined as turkish military.

According Davutoglu, Turkey is European, Middle-eastern, Caucasus, and Central-Asian country.

 

[LordTyrannus]

According Davutoglu, Turkey is European, Middle-eastern, Caucasus, and Central-Asian country.

EU only eyes Istanbul which was always a european City. They have a deep desire to take it back and they will take it back or put it under UN controll. Turkey will lose it for sure. Maybe not today or not tomorrow, but one day turkish military will lose controll over Bosporus strait and Istanbul. The hostilities between Turkey and its neighbors are growing. Turkey vs Russia (with proxies Armenia and Azerbayjan), Turkey vs Iran (With proxies Hisbollah and Al Nusra/FSA).

Turkey vs Iraqn is another crisis for turkey. Soon Iraqi Kurds will have a war with central Bagdad regime, than Turkey must choose, either beeing with or against Kurds. There is no way Turkey can stay neutral.

Siding with Kurds (attacking Iraqi Military) will bring sanctions and Isolation for Turkey, siding against Kurds and with Iraqi central government will also bring huge burdens for turkish economy and the civil unrest in kurdish areas will rise dramaticaly.

Its all about continuity. Erdogan did choose a path and turkey was good at it. He wanted to side with Kurds and pull Kurdistan peacefull out of Iraq into a greater Anatolian federation. But now USA destroying his plans by using their proxies turkish military and liberal opposition.

And last thing is Greece. They will use every possible weakness of Turkey. Theire Ultra nationalist Golden dawn is already preparing a offensive against turkish minority in Trakhia.

 

[atatwolf]

EU only eyes Istanbul which was always a european City. They have a deep desire to take it back

Wrong

and they will take it back or put it under UN controll.

Wrong

Turkey will lose it for sure. Maybe not today or not tomorrow, but one day turkish military will lose controll over Bosporus strait and Istanbul.

Cost/benefit wise doesn't make sense.

Turkey vs Iraqn is another crisis for turkey. Soon Iraqi Kurds will have a war with central Bagdad regime, than Turkey must choose, either beeing with or against Kurds. There is no way Turkey can stay neutral.

We should support both so they destroy each other.

Siding with Kurds (attacking Iraqi Military) will bring sanctions and Isolation for Turkey, siding against Kurds and with Iraqi central government will also bring huge burdens for turkish economy and the civil unrest in kurdish areas will rise dramaticaly.

We can get oil from North-Iraq. So we will prone to the north. Otherwise we would whipe them all out.

Its all about continuity. Erdogan did choose a path and turkey was good at it. He wanted to side with Kurds and pull Kurdistan peacefull out of Iraq into a greater Anatolian federation. But now USA destroying his plans by using their proxies turkish military and liberal opposition.

They will become our vassal. Nothing more.

And last thing is Greece. They will use every possible weakness of Turkey. Theire Ultra nationalist Golden dawn is already preparing a offensive against turkish minority in Trakhia.

Greece can't even change its diaper without EU. They are neutralized since they joined EU. Golden Fart is different story. If they do something, the same will happen what happened on Cyprus.

 

[airmarshal]

http://www.newsweek.com/who-leaking-turkish-pms-top-level-secret-plans-238788

By Reuters
Filed: 3/28/14 at 12:08 PM

People walk past a poster for Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's election campaign in Istanbul March 27, 2014. Osman Orsal/Reuters

ISTANBUL/ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's spymaster discusses possible military intervention in Syria with army and civilian chiefs, and days later their words are broadcast on the internet for all the world to hear

The breach appeared to highlight a disturbing truth for Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan: that Turkey can no longer keep even top-level security planning secret, despite his purge of thousands of officials to root out a covert network of enemies he accuses of trying to sabotage the state and topple him.

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  "This crisis is one of the biggest in Turkish history," a senior government official, who declined to be named, told Reuters. "A serious concern has certainly emerged regarding what follows now...If a meeting such as this has been listened to, others may have. We do not know who is in possession of them."
  
  Erdogan was out of public action on Friday, resting his voice strained by campaigning for local elections this weekend - the first in a string that will decide the future of a man who has reformed Turkey fundamentally but is now accused by critics of authoritarian and divisive tendencies.
  
  Even without the principal actor, the drama played on over the leaked audio recording that appeared on YouTube on Thursday; by far most serious of a stream of illegal intercepts of state communications, many involving Erdogan himself.
  
  Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in whose office the security meeting took place, said "everyone and everything within the Foreign Ministry will be investigated with utmost scrutiny" - a measure of the alarm stirred by the recording.
  
  A body close to the Hizmet movement of U.S.-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom Erdogan accuses of running a "dirty campaign" of espionage to implicate him in corruption, said suggestions Gulen was involved were "beyond comedy".
  
  The leaking of such sensitive material could also raise alarm among NATO allies who see Turkey as occupying a crucial position on the edge of a volatile Middle East. Telephone conversations between Erdogan and his family have been intercepted; calls from foreign leaders may also be in unknown hands.
  
  The recorded meeting discussed whether to send forces across the Syrian border to secure the tomb of Suleyman Shah, grandfather of the founder of the Ottoman Empire, in an area largely controlled by militant Islamists fighting the Damascus government. Ankara regards the tomb as Turkish territory.
  
  One leftist daily carried the headline "I'll Send Four Men, Fire Eight Rockets". This referred to a comment on the recording attributed to intelligence chief Hakan Fidan - one of Erdogan's closest allies - that if necessary he could send four men to Syria with eight rockets and fire onto empty land. This, the voice said, could be used to justify Turkish intervention.
  
  Officials, aware that any involvement in Syria would be highly unpopular with Turkish voters, accept the recording is genuine but say it was manipulated in places. Its dissemination on radio and television has been banned in Turkey and the government ordered that the video-sharing site YouTube be shut down.
  
  A crisis erupted in Turkey on December 17 when anti-graft police raided homes and detained businessmen close to Erdogan and sons of ministers. Erdogan responded by purging members of the police force and judiciary he accused of serving Gulen, a former ally who controls a network of schools and businesses and has over decades amassed followers in state institutions and business.
  
  "There are two shocking things in this case," said Sinan Ulgen, Chairman of Istanbul's Edam think tank. "One is the fact that Turkey is now unable to keep a conversation at the highest level in the security establishment...secret."
  
  "The second shocking thing is that despite every measure they have taken since December 17, including the purge of many thousands of people including police, judiciary and probably other places, this continues to go on."
  
  The recording constituted in effect a message from its unidentified dispatchers, that they were still in business.
  
  ELECTIONS
  
  Sunday's local polls will test Erdogan's popularity following the corruption scandal and a heavyhanded police crackdown on anti-government protests in the summer. Failure by Erdogan's AK Party to hold Istanbul, Turkey's biggest city, and the capital Ankara could undermine his authority.
  
  It is unclear yet what effect the corruption scandal and leak will have on the outcome, but government officials argue the recording could work in Erdogan's favour by rallying voters disgusted by the release of state secrets.
  
  Shares and the Turkish lira have been stronger this week on expectation that Erdogan's AK Party will achieve or approach the 40 percent vote of 2009 and that this may help ease the crisis.
  
  Sympathetic media backed Erdogan on Friday. "We condemn the heinous treason against Turkey," a couple of dozen pro-government newspapers and television stations said in a joint statement. "The shadow organisation has given itself away."
  
  Erdogan used Gulen's influence in his early years in power to help rein in an army that had toppled four governments in 40 years. Critics suggest, in essence, that having let the wolf into his kitchen he should not be surprised by the outcome.
  
  The present confrontation began when Erdogan moved last year to close Gulen's schools, a source of income and influence. Gulen had criticised Erdogan over deteriorating ties with Israel and over his crackdown on anti-government protests in June.
  
  ERDOGAN FEELS DUPED
  
  Tercan Basturk, board member of the Journalists and Writers Foundation that often speaks for Hizmet - also known as Cemaat - said the movement had nothing to do with the recording.
  
  "How could Cemaat go into a secure room where four diplomats were and listen to them?" he asked. "It's beyond comedy... They are looking for Cemaat under every stone."
  
  A government official, who asked not to be named, said Erdogan felt he had been "duped" by Gulen, who denies any involvement in the police graft investigation or the recent leaks. "The main reason for Erdogan's anger now is this sense of having been deceived. He's taking this very personally."
  
  The Syria recording as posted also alluded to turmoil in state bodies since infighting broke out between Erdogan and Hizmet.
  
  "Currently the state is functioning with a few people and with a few departments able to make proper decisions," Foreign Minister Davutoglu is quoted as saying in discussing the problems of marshalling support for actions.
  
  "Definitely, sir, definitely," Deputy Chief of the Armed Forces General Staff Yasar Guler is quoted as saying.
  
  "Well, are we going to be put off by this?" asks Davutoglu.
  
  "No, we will not be put off, minister, we will not be put off," General Guler is quoted as saying.
  

 

[Kompromat]

NSA

 

[LegionnairE]

Nobody gives a shit, everyone is focused on elections. We have a dictator to topple

 

[Hyperion]

Exactly..... no one I've spoken to gives a crap, specially the latest leak!

Nobody gives a shit, everyone is focused on elections. We have a dictator to topple

 

[LordTyrannus]

Nobody gives a shit, everyone is focused on elections. We have a dictator to topple

Erdogan will be with you for the next time. AKP love them or hate them, but they have the majority on their side. Thats called democrasy. You dont like it?

 

[TuAFFalcon]

NSA

Wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

NSA

I would actually be surprised if they weren't involved in some way or another.

 

[usernameless]

considering the previous leakings and the fact that such things didn´t happen before akp-Gulen war, i have no doubt that Gulen´s movement is behind it. However it's also known that CIA warned Gulen that MIT was doing activities in Pensylvania. It's either Gulen alone or Gulen's movement doing this with the help of CIA. this is not simply about elections, this is about curbing this cancerous movement's influence within the Turkish state.

 

[RazPaK]

Erdogen is a strong leader. Turkish people have a big inferiority complex. My father explained it to me decades ago when he escaped Pakistani air force, and Turkey.

Turkish people want to be accepted into Europe, but nobody in Europe accepts them.

At the same time, they are foolish for wanting to join EU, when they are economically strong. If the Turkish liberals forget their ambitions to be considered European, they will stand a chance at a better future. Turkish Muslims, however religious... they are can be reasoned with, but Turkish liberals are idiotic people.

My honest opinion. Even If my opinion does not help me make friends with Turkish people on this forum.

 

[madooxno9]

Erdogen is a strong leader. Turkish people have a big inferiority complex. My father explained it to me decades ago when he escaped Pakistani air force, and Turkey.

Turkish people want to be accepted into Europe, but nobody in Europe accepts them.

At the same time, they are foolish for wanting to join EU, when they are economically strong. If the Turkish liberals forget their ambitions to be considered European, they will stand a chance at a better future. Turkish Muslims, however religious... they are can be reasoned with, but Turkish liberals are idiotic people.

My honest opinion. Even If my opinion does not help me make friends with Turkish people on this forum.

what i get from my turkish friends is not the same. They do not want to be part of EU, they want to be an independent Powerful nation. But they are very much divided over the Erdogen They literally fight all night long and make Turkish coffee