Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[!eon]

No such term exists in Islam, outsiders can assume whatever they want.

 

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Saudi Arabia is a tool FULLSTOP

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Erdogan rejects moderate Islam as envisioned by Saudia Arabia. Of course he does. Erdogan presides over a secular iteration of Islam. Take a look at Istanbul and then compare that with Riyadh and everything will become crystal clear.

 

[xenon54 out]

Erdogan rejects ‘moderate Islam’ as a Western tool to weaken Muslims

The idea of ‘moderate Islam’ was invented by the West and is being used to weaken the ancient religion, Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan has said in reference to Saudi Arabia’s reforms, while also lashing out at the EU’s “discrimination” of Muslims.

Last month, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, vowed to restore “moderate” Islam to the kingdom considered to be "home" of the religion. The Gulf monarchy currently follows a Salafist or Wahhabi version of Islam that is often described as being "ultraconservative" and administered through Islamic Sharia law. In what appears to be a direct reference to Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince, Erdogan denounced a “moderate” interpretation of Islam in a speech delivered at the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Women’s Advisory Council on Friday.

The term ‘moderate Islam’ is being lathered up again. The patent of moderate Islam belongs to the West. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam; Islam is one. The aim of using such terms is to weaken Islam,” Erdogan said in Ankara.

“Perhaps the person voicing this concept thinks it belongs to him. No, it does not belong to you,” he added, recalling, that he was “asked about ‘moderate Islam’ at meetings in the European Parliament many years ago.”

The thrust of Prince Mohammed bin Salman's Vision 2030, is to socially transform the Wahhabi brand of Sunni Islam, which bans gender mixing, concerts and cinemas. Starting in the summer of next year, women in Saudi Arabia will be permitted to drive. In the new year, women would also be allowed to attend sporting events as the monarchy continues to usher in its liberalization reforms.

Last month the Prince unveiled a plan to construct a $500-billion state of the art city across its borders into Jordan and Egypt. The new mega-city is to be erected with the aim of diversifying the Arab country’s economy and reducing its dependency on oil.

There is no definition of what modrate Islam is but the closest thing that you can name is the exsample of Turkey, other Turkic countries and Balkan Muslims, everbody is free to live as he wants so in this sense Erdogan is right we dont need anyone to tell us what is moderate and what not since we are the pioneers in Muslim world in this regard.

The prince made a sensational statement but will Saudi Arabia one day accept people who leave Islam instead of killing them? Will Women one day have the same rights as Men? Will people still be killed for witchcraft?
Those are the key issues, just letting women drive or letting them walk in the streets without male companion doesnt make it moderate at all.

 

[SouI]

usury enslavement?

Finance is a big part of politics and as such Ill jump on to this.

Please tell me how people are forced to take loans from banks! They must be for it to be able to be regarded as "usury enslavement" after all!

Erdogan rejects ‘moderate Islam’ as a Western tool to weaken Muslims

The idea of ‘moderate Islam’ was invented by the West and is being used to weaken the ancient religion, Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan has said in reference to Saudi Arabia’s reforms, while also lashing out at the EU’s “discrimination” of Muslims.

Last month, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, vowed to restore “moderate” Islam to the kingdom considered to be "home" of the religion. The Gulf monarchy currently follows a Salafist or Wahhabi version of Islam that is often described as being "ultraconservative" and administered through Islamic Sharia law. In what appears to be a direct reference to Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince, Erdogan denounced a “moderate” interpretation of Islam in a speech delivered at the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Women’s Advisory Council on Friday.

The term ‘moderate Islam’ is being lathered up again. The patent of moderate Islam belongs to the West. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam; Islam is one. The aim of using such terms is to weaken Islam,” Erdogan said in Ankara.

“Perhaps the person voicing this concept thinks it belongs to him. No, it does not belong to you,” he added, recalling, that he was “asked about ‘moderate Islam’ at meetings in the European Parliament many years ago.”

The thrust of Prince Mohammed bin Salman's Vision 2030, is to socially transform the Wahhabi brand of Sunni Islam, which bans gender mixing, concerts and cinemas. Starting in the summer of next year, women in Saudi Arabia will be permitted to drive. In the new year, women would also be allowed to attend sporting events as the monarchy continues to usher in its liberalization reforms.

Last month the Prince unveiled a plan to construct a $500-billion state of the art city across its borders into Jordan and Egypt. The new mega-city is to be erected with the aim of diversifying the Arab country’s economy and reducing its dependency on oil.

He is just angry that his princes have been arrested!

 

[Azadkashmir]

Finance is a big part of politics and as such Ill jump on to this.

Please tell me how people are forced to take loans from banks! They must be for it to be able to be regarded as "usury enslavement" after all!


He is just angry that his princes have been arrested!

ask Rothschild by searching on the net and you tube. Please also type in gaddafi gold dinar, tell me what happened to him? when he refused? to play Rothschild game.

 

[SouI]

ask Rothschild by searching on the net and you tube. Please also type in gaddafi gold dinar, tell me what happened to him? when he refused? to play Rothschild game.

Dont change the subject and go off-topic, this was my question:

"How exactly are people forced to take loans from banks"?

I am waiting.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Dont change the subject and go off-topic, this was my question:

"How exactly are people forced to take loans from banks"?

I am waiting.

i have given you an answer you just need to type it in and read or watch video.

 

[Mucahit]

There is no definition of what modrate Islam is but the closest thing that you can name is the exsample of Turkey, other Turkic countries and Balkan Muslims, everbody is free to live as he wants so in this sense Erdogan is right we dont need anyone to tell us what is moderate and what not since we are the pioneers in Muslim world in this regard.

The prince made a sensational statement but will Saudi Arabia one day accept people who leave Islam instead of killing them? Will Women one day have the same rights as Men? Will people still be killed for witchcraft?
Those are the key issues, just letting women drive or letting them walk in the streets without male companion doesnt make it moderate at all.

l think what we have in Turkey can't really be called moderate Islam.

l would say what we have is one or two levels higher than that

We as Turks live the religion in a soft way, it's how we always lived even back in Ottoman times.

 

[Azadkashmir]

I already know about all that gold dinar project and why Kaddafi has been overthrown and murdered..

That is off-topic to my question.

Tell me how people are forced to take loans from banks! Not that hard!


If you evade my question again then Ill assume you dont know it either and as such you would be just talking out of your @ss in that scenario!

Gaddafi refused imf loans etc okay what does it mean? if your leadership accepts Rothschild bank loans then you whole country and PEOPLE are in debt. if you cant pay then it time for imf shock therapy and budget cuts etc and plundering of your valuable resources.

people are forced to go to the bank and take out interest loan to buy house, car, education etc
in order to have stable livelihood but it is interest based over time it will grow them in to deeper and deeper debt. if they do not borrow then they will suffer just as bad maybe later life get easier but one never knew. everything is bought out all the land/ business/ buildings, factories, etc and these people at the top make the decision that changes your life destiny, they can raise prices, close down factory and there goes your job, who is going to pay the interest on your loan. My friend recently did his back in and he was suffering financially as he had mortgage to pay on his house.
Nowadays to get university education you are forced to borrow money from bank to pay for it, by time you get a job you are in debt already. what if Healthcare is very basic what if you need a operation and your country does not provide this, then you may borrow from bank large sum to pay for operation. Banks give you printed money you give them your soul, your family, your house, car, land etc everything and they decide the rules.

Prices rise, wages drop people get desperate especially city people who are dependent on stores for buying food, gas bill, water bill, electric bill rent, tax, etc.

 

[SouI]

you dumb a ss gaddafi refused imf loans etc okay what does it mean? if your leadership accepts Rothschild bank loans then you whole country and PEOPLE are in debt. if you cant pay then it time for imf shock therapy and budget cuts etc and plundering of your valuable resources.

people are forced to go to the bank and take out interest loan to buy house, car, education etc
in order to have stable livelihood but it is interest based over time it will grow them in to deeper and deeper debt. if they do not borrow then they will suffer just as bad maybe later life get easier but one never knew. everything is bought out all the land/ business/ buildings, factories, etc and these people at the top make the decision that changes your life destiny, they can raise prices, close down factory and there goes your job, who is going to pay the interest on your loan. My friend recently did his back in and he was suffering financially as he had mortgage to pay on his house.
Nowadays to get university education you are forced to borrow money from bank to pay for it, by time you get a job you are in debt already. what if Healthcare is very basic what if you need a operation and your country does not provide this, then you may borrow from bank large sum to pay for operation. Banks give you printed money you give them your soul, your family, your house, car, land etc everything and they decide the rules.

Prices rise, wages drop people get desperate especially city people who are dependent on stores for buying food, gas bill, water bill, electric bill rent, tax, etc.

Again it is voluntary. No one is "forced" to take a loan from any bank.

It doesnt mean you are forced just because you feel you need it. No gun is put to your head for it.

And banks are not charities, they are commercial companies and they have to earn money or else they will just cease to exist.

And the only way they make money out of loaning is collecting interest upon those loans.

It is a risky job, not all banks get yearly profits.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Again it is voluntary. No one is "forced" to take a loan from any bank.

It doesnt mean you are forced just because you feel you need it. No gun is put to your head for it.

And banks are not charities, they are commercial companies and they have to earn money or else they will just cease to exist.

And the only way they make money out of loaning is collecting interest upon those loans.

It is a risky job, not all banks get yearly profits.

So they are not forced when everything around them is controlled by the very people who own the banks. banks create money out of thin air why cant you and me do that why because it called
counterfeit. Maybe you are forced to borrow from bank because of health operation who else is gong to lend you big sum of money but banks but they charge interest it is life and death situation . Maybe in turkey people help each other but in UK you're on your own. In these countries you are commodity.

 

[OguzSenturk]

and they decide the rules.

No they do not. Rules are being made in legislation powers (aka parliaments). Constitution and laws are the rules of citizenship you agreed with. If you don't agree with those, you can always cancel your citizenship and try your luck elsewhere.

In law states, there is no such thing as "letting banks decide the rules instead of parliaments".

 

[Azadkashmir]

No they do not. Rules are being made in legislation powers (aka parliaments). Constitution and laws are the rules of citizenship you agreed with. If you don't agree with those, you can always cancel your citizenship and try your luck elsewhere.

In law states, there is no such thing as "letting banks decide the rules instead of parliaments".

maybe in turkey. federal reserve bank and their agents decides in USA.

 

[OguzSenturk]

federal reserve bank and their agents decides in USA.

They may decide interest rate, can set the reserve requirements, can engage in open market operations, can print money, can introduce a quantitative easing program etc, within the limits of constitution and laws where they took their powers from.

They cannot just go god mode and rewritten laws as they wish