Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[Otonom Piyade]

I can't agree to it. We are a muslim country but secular and accept also non muslims.
This would crack our whole society and future plans to unite Turkic states and whole Ummah.
I know that our holy Kuran can't be perfectly translated into other languages,
but this is unfortunately also valid for the Christians, the first bible was written in Aramäic.

In our Kuran all people are equal indviduals created by the one and only ALLAH CC and there is no dominating language and ethnicity.

Arabic is the standard language in heaven.

Fawad Alam is right on the point when he said our scripture was changed intentionally to distance our society from Islam and our roots/history. For decades we were taught how barbaric, backward and uncultivated Arabs were in our schools and society in general. We were constantly fed with the idea that Turkey should look and imitate west when westerns wouldn't even trust us. This is typical case of brain washing of the general populace. Things are taking a change in course today elhamdullah.

Fawad Alam is correct on allot of things in this topic, having done his research and educated him self on Turkish matters/history. Props to him.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Bu eğitim konusunda ne var anlamıyorum o kadar bakan yedi ama hala istediğimiz noktada değiliz, eğitim konusunda Türkiye'nin batıyla yaptığı gizli bir anlaşma mı var? belirli çerçeveler dışına çıkamıyormuyuz olay nedir fikri olan ?

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Googleda ufak bir aramadan sonra bu makaleye rastladım ve hiç şaşırmadım konu hakkında ekstra malumatı olan var mı?

Makalenin ana başlığışu şekilde 27 Aralık 1947′de imzalanan "Fulbright Antlaşması" ile Türk Eğitim Sisteminin ABD tarafından kontrol edildiği ortaya çıktı.

http://www.egitimajansi.com/haber-yazdir/7835

 

[Solomon2]

Istanbul court releases eight human rights activists, including Amnesty Turkey head
ISTANBUL

A court in Istanbul late on Oct. 25 ordered the release of eight human rights activists from prison pending the outcome of their trial on “terror” charges.

The defendants, including Amnesty International Turkey director Idil Eser, German citizen Peter Steudtner and Swede Ali Gharavi, were detained in a police raid while attending a digital security training workshop in July.

“We will continue to press on until all our friends including journalists and [Amnesty International Director] Taner Kılıç] are also released,” Eser said upon her release on Oct. 26.

The activists had an emotional reunion with their relatives waiting outside jail upon their release.

“I think we’re all more than relieved ... Speaking for myself, I am really grateful and we are really grateful for everybody who supported us legally, diplomatically and for solidarity,” said Peter Steudtner, who had been detained since July 5.

Steudtner’s jailing had prompted the German government to toughen its stance toward Turkey by revising its travel advice and threatening to withhold backing for investments there.

“[This] is an encouraging signal, a first step,” German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel told news magazine Der Spiegel upon the Istanbul court’s order for the release of Steudtner, along with seven other activists.

Gabriel said in a statement that the ruling does not change the fact that other Germans are in custody in Turkey for “incomprehensible reasons,” adding that the German government “will not let up in pushing for a solution and release in these cases too.”

However, Amnesty International Secretary General Salil Shetty criticized the decision by an İzmir court not to release Kılıç the following day.

“The release of the Istanbul 10 late last night restored some faith in Turkey’s justice system. Today, that faith has been washed away. We will continue the undaunted to campaign for the release of our chair and the dropping of the charges against all human rights defenders in Turkey,” Shetty said.

The Turkish government had accused the group of “aiding armed terrorist organizations” through civil society actions in Turkey. The government had also accused the activists of being members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), far-left DHKP-C, and the movement of U.S.-based Islamic preacher Fethullah Gülen, accused of masterminding the failed July 15, 2016 coup attempt.

The authorities had detained 10 defendants in July while they were attending a human rights workshop on Büyükada, an island near Istanbul.

Critics, including the governments of the United States, the European Union and Germany, called the government’s allegations against the human rights activists politically motivated and “absurd.”

More than 50,000 people have been detained as some 150,000 sacked from their jobs under a state of emergency that has been in place since the failed coup attempt.

The crackdown has ignited international concern about the deterioration of the rule of law in Turkey

 

[Otonom Piyade]

DENK Party in Netherlands declares fight against anti-Muslim tendencies, far-right

The Netherlands' DENK Party has stated its intention to fight against rising Islamphobia and racism on the heels of forming a new coalition government in the country after 209 days of talks.

The DENK Party is the first political party in the Netherlands established by migrants, two parliamentarians with Turkish roots, Tunahan Kuzu and Selçuk Öztürk, who left the Labour Party (PvdA) due to the fact that it was inadequate in defending the rights of minorities, especially those of Muslim and Turkish origin.

'Many people feel like second-class citizens in the Netherlands'

Tunahan Kuzu, leader of the DENK Party, which means "think" in Dutch and "equal" in Turkish, referring to the protocol prepared by the new government, told Daily Sabah that "There is nothing new against racism or Islamphobia," adding that it is predictable that there won't be anything new in the approach taken by Rutte's new government on the issue.

"Each and every person living in the Netherlands is equally important to us. The distinction of 'you' and 'we' in society will have much deeper aspects in the years ahead. Due to rising Islamphobia and racism in recent years, many people feel like second-class citizens in the Netherlands," Kuzu said.

The Netherlands took initial steps to form its government in recent days, announcing the coalition under the leadership of Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and the leader of the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), 209 days after the elections held on March 15, 2017, following what has been the longest period of non-established government in the history of the Netherlands since World War II.

The PvdA's goal to gain the immigrant vote in the elections backfired as a result of increasing popular support for the DENK Party in capturing three of the 150 seats in the Netherlands' House of Representatives, as two of them are Turkish and one is Moroccan.

This was regarded as a remarkable success for the party, formed under the motto, "The Netherlands is ours again," in Dutch media, considering the fact that the party was formed just a few months before the elections.

'We are in parliament against Islamphobia'

Kuzu stated before the elections that the most important goal of the party is to put up a fight against "increasing racism and Islamphobia in the Netherlands," as in the other Western European countries, and among the politicians "such as Wilders and Rutte and their followers, who create provocation among the public."

His opinions remained unchanged after the election, as he said the main purposes of the DENK Party were to protect minorities' rights and to challenge the rising far-right in the country.

He indicated that they have proposed resolutions to prevent racism against Muslims in business life but asserted that such proposals were denied. "We even presented a proposal on protecting mosques in a more efficient way, following the terrorist attack that targeted a mosque in the Dutch city of Enschede. We have consistently expressed that we stand in parliament against Islamphobia - and we will. However, we did not see anything related to this issue being included in the coalition protocol," he said.

Despite the Netherlands' center-right Prime Minister Rutte stating after the elections that "The Netherlands have brought an end to the wrongful populism attitude," he has, on numerous occasions, resorted to far-right rhetoric to prevent swaying right-wing voters to Wilders' Party For Freedom (PVV). Beginning with the phrase, "Aan alle Nederlanders" ("To all Netherlanders"), Rutte said in an open letter to Dutch de Volkskrant newspaper that "If you are not comfortable with the attitude of people toward each other in the country you live, you have a choice. You do not have to be here."

'Wilders' ideology toward foreigners represented by government'

The DENK Party leader contended that even though populist right-wing Wilders was not included government, his opinions have been internalized by coalition partners. "With the repeal of the dual citizenship, these people will have to make a choice. Unfortunately, this is a proposal made by those who share Wilders's ideology. Wilders and his party are not part of the coalition but, nevertheless, his attitude toward foreigners is being represented by the government in this aspect," he said.

Professor Özcan Hıdır, an academic at the Islamic University of Rotterdam and Istanbul's Sabahattin Zaim University, told Daily Sabah that center-right and center-left parties can be driven away when they become engulfed in the "far-right stream" as in this example in the Netherlands.

"In the Netherlands, the most important example of this is the center-left PvdA, which received support from Muslims and Turkish immigrants. However, due to the negative rhetoric of their leader Lodewijk Ascher, who served as a deputy prime minister in the previous government, and his stance toward the Turkish people, he substantially lost the support of Turkish and Muslim immigrants. A similar situation can be seen in the example of the Christian Democratic Party (CDA). Being the ruling party at one time, the CDA has also caught the disease which I refer to as 'Wildersization,'" he said.

Kuzu said the fight against rising Islamphobia and racism does indeed top their agenda, adding that problems regarding social equality will also be among the topics of their focus. Stressing this fact, Kuzu continued, "With the [implementation of] new protocols, the value-added tax (VAT) on staple food products will be increased and these products will become more expensive. This will create a gap between the poor and the rich. The health care system will also be more expensive. The lives of students will also be affected as education taxes became too expensive to afford and scholarships will be given on the condition of being paid back," he said.

Leading the March 15 elections, Mark Rutte's VVD had a right to have 33 congressmen in parliament, which can be perceived as a failure since they lost eight seats compared to the 2012 elections, while Rutte's main rival, Geert Wilders' PVV, a far right populist party known for the anti-Muslim rhetoric of its leader, came second with 20 chairs in parliament. Labour Party (PvdA), took part in the coalition with 38 chairs on the 2012 elections, as they lost the support of the citizens with migrant background, and left with 9 seats.

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics...ight-against-anti-muslim-tendencies-far-right

 

[Bismarck]

Their is even an article on trt media. http://www.trt.net.tr/deutsch/europ...protestaktion-des-turkischen-comedians-836336

 

[xenon54 out]

Not internal but external affairs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/924289246680281090

I want to see anyone challenging his arguments, he is 100% right.

 

[T-123456]

I want to see anyone challenging his arguments, he is 100% right.

People like Bismarck already know whats going which will only help the German people see the real face of their government.

 

[xenon54 out]

People like Bismarck already know whats going which will only help the German people see the real face of their government.

The problem is polulism is spreading like a wild fire, Turks are the bad people in their eyes, otherwise pkk wont be tolerated that much, thats what i see from my German collegues at the moment.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Germans have for a long time desired to exist in oil rich ME, that is blocked by Turkey in meantime; so they use K.rd terrorists primarily and Alevi Turks secondarily to break the blockade of Turkey.

Thanks to AKP policies, Germans don't have to push it so hard.

 

[T-123456]

The problem is polulism is spreading like a wild fire, Turks are the bad people in their eyes, otherwise pkk wont be tolerated that much, thats what i see from my German collegues at the moment.

Nothing to do about that at the moment,its all over Europe,our current government doesnt help either.
Not only Europe but most of the world thinks our country is getting more and more Islamist,its obvious they will support the other side.
The country's image is worsened thanks to our government and its fantasies.

 

[xenon54 out]

Nothing to do about that at the moment,its all over Europe,our current government doesnt help either.
Not only Europe but most of the world thinks our country is getting more and more Islamist,its obvious they will support the other side.
The country's image is worsened thanks to our government and its fantasies.

Abi was it really so much better before AKP? There is even a wiki article on Turcophobia.

 

[revojam]

Nothing to do about that at the moment,its all over Europe,our current government doesnt help either.
Not only Europe but most of the world thinks our country is getting more and more Islamist,its obvious they will support the other side.
The country's image is worsened thanks to our government and its fantasies.

Thats exactly what happening right now so dont blame them.

 

[T-123456]

Abi was it really so much better before AKP? There is even a wiki article on Turcophobia.

Turcophobia exist because of the Ottoman Empire,you cannot get 500 years of rule out of ones mindset(Hitler only ruled 10 years and people still hate Germans) that easy,the Turkish guestworkers were seen as Ottomans,there was a the fear of the Ottomans and you must not forget that Turks looked different with a different religion(enemy of the Christians from mediëval times) and darker skinned then the indigenous population(Germany,Austria,Switzerland),their tolerance level is lower and are more conservative.
In countries with a colonial history(UK,France,Belgium,NL) people were more tolerant because they already had different looking people with different cultures and religions.
Yes it was better before,The PKK is banned as a terrorist organisation in Germany since 1993. It is forbidden to show signs of this organisation in public (like it is forbidden to show Nazi symbols in public).
Ask yourself since when did the PKK start openly stage protests in Europe,allowed by authorities,only after AKP.

Thats exactly what happening right now so dont blame them.

Why would i blame them?

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Germany supports the Kurdish cause in the entire region, also in Iraq more than anyone else. They have provided 0 lethal arms to Baghdad, but have supplied the KRG with a massive amount of arms and are still doing so despite the war between the central gov and the KRG.

Although i'm not too worried, Germany whilst its strong economically their reach and influence is limited in the middle east. If told to get out of there they can't do anything about it.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Germany whilst its strong economically their reach and influence is limited in the middle east.

And they are stupid, since they played on wrong horse. Right now KDP supporters attack each other in Erbil parliament