Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[war&peace]

Kemalism has nothing to do with it. The people support democracy.

I thought so because even the opposition parties condemned the coup. I think Turkish people are united on that otherwise they would not have come outside in such numbers.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

That is not what happened. A very small and religious part of the military tried to go with the coup. The majority of the population did not go to the streets. Only a very small part of the people in a few cities went out to the streets.

The coup failed not because of anything other than the fact that the coup was not staged by the military. Very small amount of military personnel tried the coup, and naturally failed.

AGAIN, ignorant AND ESPECIALLY religious nutheads like you, PLEASE, SHUT THE FU.CK UP ON THE SUBJECTS YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT!

JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW!!

Easy with the words. You sound not happy with the results that's your problem

 

[war&peace]

Alhamduillah nothing happened and im happy Turkish people had the guts to stand for their rights

Still a lot damage has been done... a lot people lost their lives in one night and a lot damage has been done to property, destabilised the country.

 

[Neptune]

My deepest salutes to our Turkish members.

I felt to write all these down here because what we have stressed years ago is now becoming a reality.

My mates, Turks here and all other friends here have known me with my pro-Atatürk stance towards any issue related to our national security and domestic matters. I can clearly tell you that THE PERPETRATORS ARE NOT SECULAR OFFICERS LOYAL TO ATATURK'S REFORMS.

I started writing because, the unit I am attached to right now is a subordinate FOB of Gendarmerie's ********** Commando Brigade deployed in the Southeast Turkey to fight PKK terrorism. We are informed that the commander of the brigade along with his staff officers have been arrested by police with charges of alleged links to US-based islamic terror group known as FETÖ which AKP has a long history of cooperation with them to purge the real patriots of this country. But do not worry. We are on duty 7/24 and no unusual activity occured related with PKK yesterday.

Now it's time for a flash back into the history, but not that far.

Year is late 2008. I was a newbee at the Naval Cadet school at that time. White dreams with white dresses.

I think everyone of you is aware of the BS cases such as "Balyoz, İnternet Andıcı, Poyrazköy, Yakamoz, İzmir Askeri Casusluk Davası...etc." Let alone here the entire World was aware that it was a joint push by AKP (Erdoğan) and Cemaat (FETÖ/Gülen) to eliminate and vanish the the last stronghold of our freedom and our way of life, the vanguard of secular law state. But only a small group of the public could raise their concern as what they got was pepper spray and water cannons at that time. People supported these frauds for what? Because for their stupid belief they needed %100 civilian control of the military and have their man raising in the ranks of the Armed Forces as they had been unable to do that for over decades. They did that with AKP and Cemaat holding hands together. We screamed it was an actual coup to Turkish military. But public didnt listen. on long terms, Yesterday's coup attempt was expectable.

The cost of 2009 operations?

- The deadliest warfighting machine in the Mediterranean was collapsed.

- Hundreds of officers loyal to their oaths and Atatürk was imprisoned.

- Naval Intelligence (the most forward intelligence unit responsible for foreign intel gathering) has been purged and be made incapable of exercising it's duties.

- General Staff Signals Intelligence Command purged and handed over to MIT (National Intelligence Undersecretary), this action resulted with loss of lives at terrorist attacks at 2015-2016

- As a retired admiral once said, they stole the decades of our Naval Forces which by the future will be Turkey's strategically most important service branch. You can build a destroyer in 5 years and an aircraft carrier in 8. But having the officers to command these ships take at least 25 years. We are talking about 50 years lost.

- Naval Cadet School, Naval Academy, All military training institutions and National Police Academy had been compromised and breached. They trained personnel loyal to AKP/Cemaat's agenda. (which is the reason I had to drop the Naval Academy by force).


Now, I dont remember at any of these events anyone giving a crap about democrasy and the rule of law despite the fact that their make-up evidences were declared fake by TUBITAK (Turkey's scientifical R&D agency) and foreign and domestic independent resarch agencies.

The Turkish public, by allowing her guardians of freedom to be frauded and purged, have deserved all of that. Once again it showed it still deserves it. That was the real coup.

From what I know yet;

- Commander of the Naval Fleet ADM Kösele was taken hostage aboard a frigate which had sailef towards Aegean, is now rescued.

- Chief of Staf of the Armed Forces GEN Akar was taken hostage at TSK Headquartes. When PÖH (Police Spec Ops) stormed into the headquarties he was transported to Akıncı AB which is located near TAI who is also involved, by a Blackhawk chopper which was fired upon by police later. Akıncı AB was laterly stormed by an unknown unit of Special Forces. GEN Akar is secure and on his duty.

- Over three hundred officer cadets have been taken into custody after a police raid. (NOT CONFIRMED)

- The plotters had at least 3 F-16 fighter jets which provided air support to ground forces. But what's worse is that they also had IFR (Air refueling) capability by a KC-135R under their control that took off from Incirlik AFB (Joint US Air Force/TURAF installition- 39th ABW/10th TBW)

- Commander of NAS Cengiz Topel (Main Naval Air Base), a rear admiral was behind the order of striking the Hotel the President used to stay just an hour after his leave. Which raises the question; along with Army Aviation, Air Force did they also had Hellfire/Penguin armed Seahawk choppers at their disposal?

- AH-1 Cobra gunships and armed S-70 Blackhawks opened fire on civilians, EGM Headquarters (National Police).

- Their F-16s have also bombed the ÖKK HQ (Armed Forces SF), PÖH HQ (National Police SOF) and the MIT HQ and it's base housing (National Intelligence) where the families of intelligence officers are staying.


We the former true warfighters of this nation of ours were abondoned, declared as the enemy of religion, alcoholic lunatics loyal to Atatürk whom by for you was also another alcoholic lunatic were declared as your enemies 8 years ago. And none of the people have raised a voice whom we have truly taken our oath to defend at all costs.

After dropping Naval Academy by force from the heavy pressure of AKP-Cemaat alligned officers at that time when they still were besties and their threathenings, I have been an unemployed man until 2015 Summer. I joined the Army to do my military service know at a commando post in the east for what? Not that I didnt lose my hope or the PKK uprising, but only because we loved our country. And the only reason I am dealing with this PKK sh.it right now is for the true fact that Good People still exist in Turkey. Their numbers are pretty low.. But everyone of them is worth rushing over mountains at any place, any time.

But we will never forget the betrayal we the actual secular pro-Atatürk service members recieved from our people. Hence if they didnt let them breach, I'd be a commissioned 2nd Lieutenant today. Turkey is a long gone dream for true patriots. The question is are others still willing to pay the price?

Neptune

 

[war&peace]

Well my understanding is that it is not secular vs religious and only a person with very limited knowledge of Turkish society will think like. It was a just a group of disgruntled mutineers who tried to topple the govt and destabilise Turkey on behest of external forces.

 

[Madali]

My deepest salutes to our Turkish members.

I felt to write all these down here because what we have stressed years ago is now becoming a reality.

My mates, Turks here and all other friends here have known me with my pro-Atatürk stance towards any issue related to our national security and domestic matters. I can clearly tell you that THE PERPETRATORS ARE NOT SECULAR OFFICERS LOYAL TO ATATURK'S REFORMS.

I started writing because, the unit I am attached to right now is a subordinate FOB of Gendarmerie's ********** Commando Brigade deployed in the Southeast Turkey to fight PKK terrorism. We are informed that the commander of the brigade along with his staff officers have been arrested by police with charges of alleged links to US-based islamic terror group known as FETÖ which AKP has a long history of cooperation with them to purge the real patriots of this country. But do not worry. We are on duty 7/24 and no unusual activity occured related with PKK yesterday.

Now it's time for a flash back into the history, but not that far.

Year is late 2008. I was a newbee at the Naval Cadet school at that time. White dreams with white dresses.

I think everyone of you is aware of the BS cases such as "Balyoz, İnternet Andıcı, Poyrazköy, Yakamoz, İzmir Askeri Casusluk Davası...etc." Let alone here the entire World was aware that it was a joint push by AKP (Erdoğan) and Cemaat (FETÖ/Gülen) to eliminate and vanish the the last stronghold of our freedom and our way of life, the vanguard of secular law state. But only a small group of the public could raise their concern as what they got was pepper spray and water cannons at that time. People supported these frauds for what? Because for their stupid belief they needed %100 civilian control of the military and have their man raising in the ranks of the Armed Forces as they had been unable to do that for over decades. They did that with AKP and Cemaat holding hands together. We screamed it was an actual coup to Turkish military. But public didnt listen. on long terms, Yesterday's coup attempt was expectable.

The cost of 2009 operations?

- The deadliest warfighting machine in the Mediterranean was collapsed.

- Hundreds of officers loyal to their oaths and Atatürk was imprisoned.

- Naval Intelligence (the most forward intelligence unit responsible for foreign intel gathering) has been purged and be made incapable of exercising it's duties.

- General Staff Signals Intelligence Command purged and handed over to MIT (National Intelligence Undersecretary), this action resulted with loss of lives at terrorist attacks at 2015-2016

- As a retired admiral once said, they stole the decades of our Naval Forces which by the future will be Turkey's strategically most important service branch. You can build a destroyer in 5 years and an aircraft carrier in 8. But having the officers to command these ships take at least 25 years. We are talking about 50 years lost.

- Naval Cadet School, Naval Academy, All military training institutions and National Police Academy had been compromised and breached. They trained personnel loyal to AKP/Cemaat's agenda. (which is the reason I had to drop the Naval Academy by force).


Now, I dont remember at any of these events anyone giving a crap about democrasy and the rule of law despite the fact that their make-up evidences were declared fake by TUBITAK (Turkey's scientifical R&D agency) and foreign and domestic independent resarch agencies.

The Turkish public, by allowing her guardians of freedom to be frauded and purged, have deserved all of that. Once again it showed it still deserves it. That was the real coup.

From what I know yet;

- Commander of the Naval Fleet ADM Kösele was taken hostage aboard a frigate which had sailef towards Aegean, is now rescued.

- Chief of Staf of the Armed Forces GEN Akar was taken hostage at TSK Headquartes. When PÖH (Police Spec Ops) stormed into the headquarties he was transported to Akıncı AB which is located near TAI who is also involved, by a Blackhawk chopper which was fired upon by police later. Akıncı AB was laterly stormed by an unknown unit of Special Forces. GEN Akar is secure and on his duty.

- Over three hundred officer cadets have been taken into custody after a police raid. (NOT CONFIRMED)

- The plotters had at least 3 F-16 fighter jets which provided air support to ground forces. But what's worse is that they also had IFR (Air refueling) capability by a KC-135R under their control that took off from Incirlik AFB (Joint US Air Force/TURAF installition- 39th ABW/10th TBW)

- Commander of NAS Cengiz Topel (Main Naval Air Base), a rear admiral was behind the order of striking the Hotel the President used to stay just an hour after his leave. Which raises the question; along with Army Aviation, Air Force did they also had Hellfire/Penguin armed Seahawk choppers at their disposal?

- AH-1 Cobra gunships and armed S-70 Blackhawks opened fire on civilians, EGM Headquarters (National Police).

- Their F-16s have also bombed the ÖKK HQ (Armed Forces SF), PÖH HQ (National Police SOF) and the MIT HQ and it's base housing (National Intelligence) where the families of intelligence officers are staying.


We the former true warfighters of this nation of ours were abondoned, declared as the enemy of religion, alcoholic lunatics loyal to Atatürk whom by for you was also another alcoholic lunatic were declared as your enemies 8 years ago. And none of the people have raised a voice whom we have truly taken our oath to defend at all costs.

After dropping Naval Academy by force from the heavy pressure of AKP-Cemaat alligned officers at that time when they still were besties and their threathenings, I have been an unemployed man until 2015 Summer. I joined the Army to do my military service know at a commando post in the east for what? Not that I didnt lose my hope or the PKK uprising, but only because we loved our country. And the only reason I am dealing with this PKK sh.it right now is for the true fact that Good People still exist in Turkey. Their numbers are pretty low.. But everyone of them is worth rushing over mountains at any place, any time.

But we will never forget the betrayal we the actual secular pro-Atatürk service members recieved from our people. Turkey is a long gone dream for true patriots. The question is are others still willing to pay the price?

Neptune

Since you are someone with a lot of experience with the military, can you please give me your opinion why the coup failed so badly?

I'm looking at this in a pragmatic manner, and if military elements are so bad at planning and executing their plan, then that could be very concerning about your country's militarily capabilities.

 

[Neptune]

Since you are someone with a lot of experience with the military, can you please give me your opinion why the coup failed so badly?

I'm looking at this in a pragmatic manner, and if military elements are so bad at planning and executing their plan, then that could be very concerning about your country's militarily capabilities.

Only a stupid would do something like this.
It failed because;

At first they had to control the media and the internet. Troops must have been positioned at every street. And most importantly civil authority was fully functional by the time they started. Police reacted fast. But if the people did not stand in front of tanks, there would be a massacre. But they shouldnt have attacked the personnel either. They should hand over the soldiers to police, NOT whip them. It was well organised and from what I see they had small power. So they had one option. Take the chain of command hostage and execute your plans fast, very fast. Obviously this outlawed people planned their operation with fast mobility and quick action as primary objective. But the President prevented that by asking people to flee on streets. They lost their primary confidentiality which was time. Then they were crushed. I dont think it looks like a coup. They want it to look like this but its a rogue terrorist act from the ranks of the military.

 

[forcetrip]

They did not have enough support and the support they had vanished when the protests were immediately mobilized by the government forces and then totally dissipated when protestors over powered the army. Never in my life have I seen the public react this fast to a takeover. Have to give Turkey this one even though I am extremely anti erdogan because of his policies.

Only a stupid would do something like this.
It failed because;

At first they had to control the media and the internet. Troops must have been positioned at every street. And most importantly civil authority was fully functional by the time they started. Police reacted fast. But if the people did not stand in front of tanks, there would be a massacre. But they shouldnt have attacked the personnel either. They should hand over the soldiers to police, NOT whip them. It was well organised and from what I see they had small power. So they had one option. Take the chain of command hostage and execute your plans fast, very fast. Obviously this outlawed people planned their operation with fast mobility and quick action as primary objective. But the President prevented that by asking people to flee on streets. They lost their primary confidentiality which was time. Then they were crushed. I dont think it looks like a coup. They want it to look like this but its a rogue terrorist act from the ranks of the military.

Some protestors could be seen armed.

 

[SirHatesALot]

If what you say is true especially that military is compromised on that many levels, then seeing the current situations around turkey and its effects on future turkey is royally screwed.
I just hope and pray that your country holds it together and comeback to its true spirit as envisioned by its founders.

 

[Neptune]

They did not have enough support and the support they had vanished when the protests were immediately mobilized by the government forces and then totally dissipated when protestors over powered the army. Never in my life have I seen the public react this fast to a takeover. Have to give Turkey this one even though I am extremely anti erdogan because of his policies.



Some protestors could be seen armed.

Most probably they are. But I heard that all the firefight was between police-army sf and the plotters.

 

[forcetrip]

Most probably they are. But I heard that all the firefight was between police-army sf and the plotters.

I saw on CNN armed protestors firing in the air with hand guns but you are right that most of the fighting was being done by the police. The video of the attack helicopter firing on protestors was probably the end of that coup.

 

[T-123456]

Hi,i would like to know what is the current situation in your country,is Kemalism no longer supported by the vast majority?

Kemalism is a made up word,there is no such thing.
We were a secular democracy,that has changed forever now.
They used democracy to fool the people and can do whatever they wish now,game over.

 

[Spectre]

Kemalism is a made up word,there is no such thing.
We were a secular democracy,that has changed forever now.
They used democracy to fool the people and can do whatever they wish now,game over.

I feel so bad for Turkey Mate..I so wish they can turn back to those times but sadly tis was not to be..

Now it would end up being just another theocracy.. As a wise man once said "This is how democracy ends - With a thumping applause" Similarly and Ironically this is how turkey will loose its secular democratic ethos - with popular support

 

[Neptune]

I saw on CNN armed protestors firing in the air with hand guns but you are right that most of the fighting was being done by the police. The video of the attack helicopter firing on protestors was probably the end of that coup.

Of course also the bombings. But if I am not wrong the people you mentioned might be civilian officers probably if they opened warning shots to air to avoid public lynch maybe. On a sidenote, civilian officers are not subject to dress code regulations such as having a beard...etc. But surely these are irrelevant details and I believe its still too early for information to become true. Who knows maybe 5 years later we will see the reality or what really had happened yesterday.

 

[T-123456]

I feel so bad for Turkey Mate..I so wish they can turn back to those times but sadly tis was not to be..

Now it would end up being just another theocracy.. As a wise man once said "This is how democracy ends - With a thumping applause" Similarly and Ironically this is how turkey will loose its secular democratic ethos - with popular support

Yup,nothing to do.