Turkish Naval Programs

[Destructlord]

BTW when Turkey gonna build a AC?

 

[karaislam]

bro turkey ll never have an aircraft carrier.at least in 30 years its impossible.

turkey is looking for lpd.maybe they can choose korean dokdo class lpd with some modification it can operate f35bs.soon new tender ll be for turkish lpd.italian fincatieri and dokdo are favourite.

 

[Destructlord]

bro turkey ll never have an aircraft carrier.at least in 30 years its impossible.

turkey is looking for lpd.maybe they can choose korean dokdo class lpd with some modification it can operate f35bs.soon new tender ll be for turkish lpd.italian fincatieri and dokdo are favourite.

Brother you dont need it anyway its just waste of the money! You should concentrate on building your own fighter jet with the help of European instead of buying those F-35s, Brother look what Iran and Pakistan doing today, As a Muslim i would like to see the technology in the hand of our brothers in Turkey not just equipments, I know what Turkish and Italian scientist are doing about that Helicopter project, Keep it up brother.

Regards

 

[karaislam]

dear iranian bro.

iranian f5 copy or reverse engineering or whatever else.or russian yak trainer planes.all of them has no match aboutf16blk50+.pakistans jf17 program nice but it wont be no more than a f16blk40.

turkey too can make some reverse engineerings on f4 f5 but turkey needs next generation fighters.there are only 2 now.raptor and jsf.we have around 250 f16 more than hundred f4-f5.so its not worth for going indigenious here.

as u can see turkey except fighter plane in all ways going domestic or buying license rights.(not like under license)like t129 project.

iran turkey pakistan will never able to make such quality planes like jsf and raptor.

u see even europeans couldnt able to put something against raptor and jsf.their rafale or typhoon no match for american planes.

so i think turkish defence industry going in very good shape.except fighter nearly all projects are going domestic produce and its right.

i dont say it so that i am turk but really turkish products has quality.

if u look at the

t155 panter one of the best towed howitzer
t155 fırtına one of the best sph
milgem corvettes,mrtp series,mkek new assault and sniper rifles.

also turkish volkan fcs series clearly best in the world.

do u know iran using slovenian fcs on her z3 tanks?

 

[cabatli_53]

A littile Part of Turkish defence industry and Turkish armed Forces...Video
Video related with;

-KMS Aselsan that sold to Holland
-Milgem
-Havelsan CN-235 Simulator that sold to S. Korea.. It is certain news for Pak brothers that Pakistan will also order simulators from Havelsan but Model of them have not released at present...
-T-155 Firtina Tracked Howitzer
-T-155 Panter Towed Howitzer that sold to Pakistan 12 items...
-Aselsan Stamp
- Mehmetcik-1 Infantry Rifle family and JNG-90 Sniper
-T-129 Atak Helikopter TAI...

Final

-Turkish Stars...
- UMTAS missile, Tiha-A MALE, Altay Tank pictures....

A must see...

 

[Destructlord]

dear iranian bro.

iranian f5 copy or reverse engineering or whatever else.or russian yak trainer planes.all of them has no match aboutf16blk50+.pakistans jf17 program nice but it wont be no more than a f16blk40.

turkey too can make some reverse engineerings on f4 f5 but turkey needs next generation fighters.there are only 2 now.raptor and jsf.we have around 250 f16 more than hundred f4-f5.so its not worth for going indigenious here.

as u can see turkey except fighter plane in all ways going domestic or buying license rights.(not like under license)like t129 project.

iran turkey pakistan will never able to make such quality planes like jsf and raptor.

u see even europeans couldnt able to put something against raptor and jsf.their rafale or typhoon no match for american planes.

so i think turkish defence industry going in very good shape.except fighter nearly all projects are going domestic produce and its right.

i dont say it so that i am turk but really turkish products has quality.

if u look at the

t155 panter one of the best towed howitzer
t155 fırtına one of the best sph
milgem corvettes,mrtp series,mkek new assault and sniper rifles.

also turkish volkan fcs series clearly best in the world.

do u know iran using slovenian fcs on her z3 tanks?

I rather not to talk about any Iranian project because of the security measures, I know what west media is doing, Im clearly seeing the effect, We also developing everything with quality DIOMIL has ISO9012 and ISO9002 .

However sorry to disappoint you but there is no YAK or anything like that! Shafaq was just a educational project, a base project for Mourgh-e Ashura stealth fighter.

Morugh-e Ashura gonna have maximum speed of 2 mach! far more than F-16 You'll see the Mourgh-e Ashura in 3 months. But dont expect to see them in mass production within 4 years! Mourgh-e Ashura cost Iran 60 million per-plane, Just the engine is Russian.

About the air superiority americans disagree with you recently, We could have also buy SU-35 from Russians but we won't because we dont like to depend on anyone.

No one know anything about Zulfiqar-3 tank im wonder how did you find out about that?! It's a secret project. I can just confirm this, The original engine (1500 hp). came from Ukraine for the reverse engineering

I simply just adviced you (To dont repeat the the mistake of the Shah, He also boasted about his F-14s, In those days F-14 was like today Raptor, And only two country in the world Iran and U.S had them, Not even Israel!). but you retaliated with a hostile tone, to be honest i didnt expect that...

About the exporting, Iran sold $100 million worth of military equipment in 2003, and as of 2006 had exported weapons to 57 countries, Including 10 NATO members.

We also wanted to export Azarakhsh to one of the South American country but U.S put the pressure on that country! Anyway, F-5 II hadn't any fintail! also coudln't fire R-37 missile, It's operational range wasn't 3.000 Km, It's cockpit wasn't digital, hadn't any IRST and... It's very easy to ridiclue others efforts but...

for more information about Iranian exportable products please visit:

www.Diomil.ir
&
:: IRAN Electronics Industries | I.E.I ::

Regards

 

[cabatli_53]

I rather not to talk about any Iranian project because of the security measures, I know what west media is doing, Im clearly seeing the effect, We also developing everything with quality DIOMIL has ISO9012 and ISO9002 .

However sorry to disappoint you but there is no YAK or anything like that! Shafaq was just a educational project, a base project for Mourgh-e Ashura stealth fighter.

Morugh-e Ashura gonna have maximum speed of 2 mach! far more than F-16 You'll see the Mourgh-e Ashura in 3 months. But dont expect to see them in mass production within 4 years! Mourgh-e Ashura cost Iran 60 million per-plane, Just the engine is Russian.

About the air superiority americans disagree with you recently, We could have also buy SU-35 from Russians but we won't because we dont like to depend on anyone.

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No one know anything about Zulfiqar-3 tank im wonder how did you find out, About that! It's a secret project. I ca just confirm this, The original engine (1500 hp). came from Ukraine for the reverse engineering

I simply just adviced you (to dont repeat the the mistake of the Shah, He also boasted about his F-14, In those days F-14 was like today Raptor, And only two country in the world Iran and U.S had them, Not even Israel!). but you retaliate with a hostile tone, to be honest i didnt expect that...

About the exporting, Iran sold $100 million worth of military equipment in 2003, and as of 2006 had exported weapons to 57 countries, Including 10 NATO members.

for more information about Iranian exportable products please visit:

www.Diomil.ir
&
:: IRAN Electronics Industries | I.E.I ::

Regards

Brother, I do not want to fall in a disscussion with you about defence industry - quality of products but I need to fix some wrong claims belong to you above..

"About the exporting, Iran sold $100 million worth of military equipment in 2003, and as of 2006 had exported weapons to 57 countries, Including 10 NATO members."

Bro, It is not so important the quality of products at present here but The most of Iranian products are developed with reverse engineering. Many of based platforms of your reverse engineering are from Russia that using different standarts out of Nato members so It is not possibble to sell Iranian products (Many of Them) to any NATO countries with out of NATO standarts.

"Morugh-e Ashura gonna have maximum speed of 2 mach! far more than F-16"

Brother, F-16's also reach max. 2 mach speed

 

[Destructlord]

Brother, I do not want to fall in a disscussion with you about defence industry - quality of products but I need to fix some wrong claims belong to you above..

"About the exporting, Iran sold $100 million worth of military equipment in 2003, and as of 2006 had exported weapons to 57 countries, Including 10 NATO members."

Bro, It is not so important the quality of products at present here but The most of Iranian products are developed with reverse engineering. Many of based platforms of your reverse engineering are from Russia that using different standarts out of Nato members so It is not possibble to sell Iranian products (Many of Them) to any NATO countries with out of NATO standarts.

"Morugh-e Ashura gonna have maximum speed of 2 mach! far more than F-16"

Brother, F-16's also reach max. 2 mach speed

Brother i think you're talking about copy! which is under the licence.. mostly!
Reverse engineering is different, It means that you have the technology to build and modify the technology. Copy and Reverse engineering are two different thing! For example Russians allowed Jordan military to produce RPG-32 under the licence! In that case, Materials comes from Russia and they just assemble them.

About that claim:

IRIB PERSIAN NEWS PAGE
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127440

But, Reverse Engineering, You buy something, A device, A missile, anything! You study on it, You're either able to build it or not! Anyway i would like to tell you Russians won't give the platform of S-300 nor their SU-35 fuel gauge or even their torpedo to Iran!

F-16 can't have maximum speed of 2 mach at sea level! We are talking about least specification.

Anyway i would like to continue this conversation somewhere else, Modern Irani army (In Multimedia section). is a good place don't want this topic to be distracted.

We'll discuss this matter when i have returned (In two month). till then "Farewell".

 

[Nutuk]

LOL the funny thing is that Iranian developments are so secret that neither the Iranian army gets to see them.

Jokes aside, claiming things are easy, showing credible proof is different!

 

[Destructlord]

LOL the funny thing is that Iranian developments are so secret that neither the Iranian army gets to see them.

Jokes aside, claiming things are easy, showing credible proof is different!

500 Zulfiqar-3 tank has been delivered to Iranian Ground Force! Iranian Air Force odered 42 Saegheh recently, which they got only 16 units of them, The rest of the planes will be delivered to the Air Force until the end of 2009! and...

Why dont you check "your source" Debka, GlobalSecurity, Janes, DefenceTech... They're not Iranians!

God has given you two eyes! Haven't you seen Zulfiqar, Satellite carrier, Ballistic missiles, Bombs, Planes... ?! I understand your "jealousy"! But i can assure you my friend, Iran doesnt have any problem with Turkey! They're rather formed an alliance against PJAK and PPK! Some Turk brothers comments are making me to think people of Turkey, acknowledge Iran as their sworn enemy!!!!!!! Why is that? It's not the same thing in Iran!

Here is the proof for now! I hope its enough! for now!

http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_1.wmv
http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_2.wmv
http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_3.wmv
http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_4.wmv

Regards

 

[Nutuk]

I am not enemy of Iranians or Iran, but I don't buy propagandistic claims neither. Showing some Russian / Chinese missiles with an Iranian name, or N. Korean Taepea dong called Shahab is not convincing.

I applaud the license productions of Iran but all the claims of developed something which are only shown in parades as mockup on trucks doesn't do the trick.

 

[Nutuk]

LOL especially this one is double gold http://www.shiaweb.org/hizbulla/video/iran/iran_3.wmv

Putting a shortrange unguided MLRS on a speedboat, you can't even aim that thing on the waves, it will shoot every direction but the right one!

 

[cabatli_53]

"Some Turk brothers comments are making me to think people of Turkey, acknowledge Iran as their sworn enemy"

We, Turks are not enemy of Iranian public but As I said before, It is not neccessary to introduce your systems propagandistic approach style. You claimed that Many of your introduced systems have developed with reverse engineering but We know that Your Shahab's are even belong to N. Korean.

Exporting Iranian product to 10 NATO countries are not possible. Neither reverse engineering, Nor Copy products, If they (Iranian products) do not obey the whole rules of NATO standarts, Let the products one side, You can not sell any of metal shall to any NATO countries.

You are talking about an indigenous Iranian fighter plane that is capable to reach more speed than F-16's, even F-22. This claims brings me some question that Where is the source of these type technology for an aircraft, While USA and EU are even not reached same technology since 1930's ? Claiming wrong things, imaginative products do not make any sense in real battlefields so We should regard eachothers with reverence, While introducing our proud systems here...

F-22 is ( without arguing) the best of the World ... The world’s premier 5TH generation fighter... Check the speed data pls and than try to compare the Iranian plane objectively...You will realise What I am trying to tell...



Regards...

 

[Destructlord]

I am not enemy of Iranians or Iran, but I don't buy propagandistic claims neither. Showing some Russian / Chinese missiles with an Iranian name, or N. Korean Taepea dong called Shahab is not convincing.

I applaud the license productions of Iran but all the claims of developed something which are only shown in parades as mockup on trucks doesn't do the trick.

Oh really?! Russian or Chinese sell their strategic weapons to Iran?!

Shahab-3 is far more sophisticated than Nodong! (Just google it!). I wonder why you insisting on your lame accusation while North Korea couldn't launch any satellite carrier and Turkey is working on it for ages now! Without any success! Not to mention your so called indigenous, Italy made helicopter! The whole Turkey army is depend on west. The best thing Turkey could have done was to upgrade F-16 with the U.S technicians, I have tried to maintain my behaviour but your bold statements dont allow me to do that anymore.

Regards

 

[Destructlord]

"Some Turk brothers comments are making me to think people of Turkey, acknowledge Iran as their sworn enemy"

We, Turks are not enemy of Iranian public but As I said before, It is not neccessary to introduce your systems propagandistic approach style. You claimed that Many of your introduced systems have developed with reverse engineering but We know that Your Shahab's are even belong to N. Korean.

Exporting Iranian product to 10 NATO countries are not possible. Neither reverse engineering, Nor Copy products, If they (Iranian products) do not obey the whole rules of NATO standarts, Let the products one side, You can not sell any of metal shall to any NATO countries.

You are talking about an indigenous Iranian fighter plane that is capable to reach more speed than F-16's, even F-22. This claims brings me some question that Where is the source of these type technology for an aircraft, While USA and EU are even not reached same technology since 1930's ? Claiming wrong things, imaginative products do not make any sense in real battlefields so We should regard eachothers with reverence, While introducing our proud systems here...

F-22 is ( without arguing) the best of the World ... The world’s premier 5TH generation fighter... Check the speed data pls and than try to compare the Iranian plane objectively...You will realise What I am trying to tell...



Regards...

And may i ask who told you that?! Janes, Globalsecurity and many other sources disagree with you! Shahab-3B is far more advanced than any DPRK missile, Not to mention Sajil, Ashoura and... Im understand you're not able to build something like these, But you should not insult efforts of others! Comparing DPRK who couldnt even launch its own satellite carrier and claiming that Iranian missiles are North Koreans are lame accusations and also very funny! How could Iran get assistance from DPRK when its own technology is superior?!

About the weapons export i gave you the source please just read them!

Regards