Turkish Naval Programs

[Nosferatu]

Someone please summarise this video ?

Are they going to add F35B? Is this confirmed by Navy ?

There is no way they can mix helo and fixed wing on this LHD, they will be left with neither, reminds me of Israeli SAAR 5 crammed everything into warship it’s good for nothing even clipped by faulty anti ship missile by hezbollah

You cannot optimise F35B operations with rotary wing on a 30,000 ton flat deck

Wasp class is double the size only has 2-3 landing spots, Queen Elizabeth is 70,000 tons will carry 12 standard and 36 maximum F35B very space and labour intensive

They are adding in a well deck too ? Very quickly they will realise this will turn into a disaster too many things too little space

What they have to do is optimise one LHD for “rotary wing” and the second LHD for “fixed wing” maybe even build a third for true over the horizon amphibious operations with LCAC

In the meantime build up the experience, you cannot just start flying off flat decks from the sea

The Navy is already looking up for officer candidates who are willing to become F-35B pilots.

 

[cabatli_53]

https://twitter.com/x/status/977509928272384000

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/x/status/977509928272384000

bu ne la, kendimi zorladim dinlemek icin fazla seyde anlatmadi herif. Konusmasini bilen adam gorevlendirsinler hayatina kusmusler yaramiyor...

 

[Neptune]

Someone please summarise this video ?

Are they going to add F35B? Is this confirmed by Navy ?

There is no way they can mix helo and fixed wing on this LHD, they will be left with neither, reminds me of Israeli SAAR 5 crammed everything into warship it’s good for nothing even clipped by faulty anti ship missile by hezbollah

You cannot optimise F35B operations with rotary wing on a 30,000 ton flat deck

Wasp class is double the size only has 2-3 landing spots, Queen Elizabeth is 70,000 tons will carry 12 standard and 36 maximum F35B very space and labour intensive

They are adding in a well deck too ? Very quickly they will realise this will turn into a disaster too many things too little space

What they have to do is optimise one LHD for “rotary wing” and the second LHD for “fixed wing” maybe even build a third for true over the horizon amphibious operations with LCAC

In the meantime build up the experience, you cannot just start flying off flat decks from the sea

No offense mate but that was just pure nonsense. This isn’t a game where size and weight determines everything, it is naval warfare. Just because a ship with a flight deck isn’t 100k tonnes doesn’t necessarily mean that it can not operate combat aircraft in the way you described. Or just because you have an LHD and a couple LCACs, does not provide you a capability to sustain amphibious operations beyond the horizon. Again, no offense dude, but do you really have any idea on what you’re saying, including Saar 5?

From the very beginning, ever since the Navy decided to keep the ski-jump deck, the force command have planned the ship as an amphibious assault ship capable of launching helicopters and combat aircraft.

On this LHD and on many similar amphibious assault ships, as long as they fit with the requirements such as minimum takeoff length, blast resistant flight deck, ordnance vault...etc. They can be optimized with F-35B.

One of the primary reasons why ships like LHDs are designed is because of operational flexibility. Which means that at one deployment the ship is configured with helicopters only the other day it is a combination of attack/utility helicopters and F-35B. We are in no position to advice the project officers on a issue as silly as platform configuration. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing.

 

[aziqbal]

Then you have no idea how Naval Platforms Work

It’s good that turkey is building a LHD but I don’t know why Turkish fan boys like you have to go and spoil things

So you know more than the country’s who have operated flat decks just because you are building your first one ?

Don’t inflate yourself even JMSDF is having a long hard think about F35B on Izumo which built bottom up has been design to handle fixed wing aircraft

Not to mention RAN dual LHD have had trouble over a dozen times

Where are you going to put the aviation fuel storage , air weapons, landing aids the takeoff facility’s the ship to aircraft equipment and about 100 other things ?

Which landing spots is F35B going to use ? Only 1 because heat kick up will not allow any rotary wing operations

You have not thought through anything in typical fashion just regurgitating

Just because Turkish navy decided on something means rest of the world is wrong ? Again total fantasy from a fan boy

 

[Neptune]

Then you have no idea how Naval Platforms Work

It’s good that turkey is building a LHD but I don’t know why Turkish fan boys like you have to go and spoil things

You have not thought through anything in typical fashion just regurgitating

Just because Turkish navy decided on something means rest of the world is wrong ? Again total fantasy from a fan boy

Okay, pardon my vocational ignorance Mr. Think Tank. I am a fanboy and I have no idea on how naval platfroms work.

 

[UkroTurk]

Then you have no idea how Naval Platforms Work

It’s good that turkey is building a LHD but I don’t know why Turkish fan boys like you have to go and spoil things

So you know more than the country’s who have operated flat decks just because you are building your first one ?

Don’t inflate yourself even JMSDF is having a long hard think about F35B on Izumo which built bottom up has been design to handle fixed wing aircraft

Not to mention RAN dual LHD have had trouble over a dozen times

Where are you going to put the aviation fuel storage , air weapons, landing aids the takeoff facility’s the ship to aircraft equipment and about 100 other things ?

Which landing spots is F35B going to use ? Only 1 because heat kick up will not allow any rotary wing operations

You have not thought through anything in typical fashion just regurgitating

Just because Turkish navy decided on something means rest of the world is wrong ? Again total fantasy from a fan boy

You are insulting youself , revealing ignorence. The marine officer has just written to you.

 

[UkroTurk]

This is meant to be a answer ? This is not a answer, unless you have something worthy to maybe share ?

I am not a navy engineer or specialist, nore you are. We arent supposed to know everything. Let professionals decide it. Turkish ministery of defence doesnt know how to build LPD but you know? LOL.

This is meant to be a answer ? This is not a answer, unless you have something worthy to maybe share ?

And ignorance is spelt with “a” not “e” (found something to speak) Lets build a ship



I guess I sense your sarcasm but when people start throwing words like F35B and LHD in the same sentence maybe they can also add in that the pilots are fully trained astronauts that also will take F35B into space and land on the moon

But only pardon my apprehension just by a little bit

 

[aziqbal]

Oh dear just a “tiny” contradiction

You talk about professionals then what are the 150 Royal Navy and Royal Air Force personal doing in Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort for last 5 years ? Making drawings of F35B?

UK personal at VMFAT-501, ‘Warlords’, the sole US Marine Corps F-35B training squadron have been drilling and drilling and drilling how to use , fight and engineer the F35B

Even then it’s 2 years before 207 squadron get their FOUR F35B, yes that’s number 4! The F35B has over 8 million lines of code even the naval pioneers are years of training prior to ever flying F35B off a flat deck, I find it cringeworthy that people are blowing F35B into this LHD

So yes leave it to the professionals, all
I’m saying think, you cannot just build a LHD and start flying F35B off the deck better than the people who built and designed the thing

Unless Turkey has a secret agreement with USMC to train its pilots which I highly doubt

 

[xenon54 out]

Then you have no idea how Naval Platforms Work

It’s good that turkey is building a LHD but I don’t know why Turkish fan boys like you have to go and spoil things

Neptune is far from a fan boy, he is actually one of the few people in forum who have a Naval background and he has been polite to you, no need to get offensive.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Aziqbal and Neptune are saying the same basically. Neptune just points out that the Turkish Navy is aware of future technical complications and will take necessary steps to ensure operational readiness. However, time will tell who's right. But I cannot deny that Aziqbal has made some valid points, too.

 

[mete]

Guys without getting involved into personal I want to write something. I am not naval expert or anything near to it. So; I might be wrong.

First one; I agree that a ship's weight does not mean much alone. How a ship roles according to its job might be relevant to capabilities of its technology and engineering. For example if a ship lighter but have much more firepower and range it might be better. If a ship is designed for less range, less firepower, more speed and its role in navy is according to that it might be better than a heavier ship in terms of its role.

British navy and our navy is different. Maybe we have different needs. So; for different purposes a different ship might be needed, may be designing a ship in a way other than British navy does not mean that we are doing it wrong. May be we are designing something for another requirement under different economic/technological/doctrinal circumstances. Is it possible? I think it is.

 

[ANMDT]

Then you have no idea how Naval Platforms Work

It’s good that turkey is building a LHD but I don’t know why Turkish fan boys like you have to go and spoil things

So you know more than the country’s who have operated flat decks just because you are building your first one ?

Don’t inflate yourself even JMSDF is having a long hard think about F35B on Izumo which built bottom up has been design to handle fixed wing aircraft

Not to mention RAN dual LHD have had trouble over a dozen times

Where are you going to put the aviation fuel storage , air weapons, landing aids the takeoff facility’s the ship to aircraft equipment and about 100 other things ?

Which landing spots is F35B going to use ? Only 1 because heat kick up will not allow any rotary wing operations

You have not thought through anything in typical fashion just regurgitating

Just because Turkish navy decided on something means rest of the world is wrong ? Again total fantasy from a fan boy

The landing spot might be optimized, analysis for multiple landing case has already been done but none of those are interest of public,so more likely not published. Since the ship has been considered to be built, one of the roles was given as " light aircraft carrier" and that role is considered well.

The role has given with some improvements, yet if its not being able to be used or proven so, there would be a loss of max 50 million euros, which worths to give a try for adopting F-35's over there. But i wouldnt assume it will go this way

Even Coastal Guard ships can handle fuel storage separately for a helicopter, yet this ship is an LHD it would have enough space for aviation fuel, tanks that can be converted for use of jet fuel in light aircraft role. All your questions over the ammunition and so on indicates that you are the one who knows a few about naval platforms. They meant to carry the jet fuel, what would be issue with a few weapons in some specially designed rooms ? I suppose that is also considered in the design and those places are already allocated for that use. might not to be too hard since the ship will also carry ammunition for helicopters. The original one, Juan Carlos also had internal fits meant for handling AV-8s, so optimizing that for F-35B wouldnt be too hard,i suppose?

People may have had problems with F-35Bs on LHD, but lets accept the fact even F-35As are still crawling, you cant expect it to be widely used and quite operational on all platforms, they are trying to get and see how its going to work out, as a person who knows navy stuff really well you should know how its hard to integrate with new systems in the sea, navy is the most resistant division for changes. Quite like the LCS class who had dozens of issues but slowly matures and well used. And in some way F-35 program itself has turned out to be a fiasco a few years ago but going better now, that should be kept in the mind.

If you desire to make rational criticism, you can indicate that Turkish navy hasnt began to practise or havent formed a task force meant to work with this big ship. Werent you curious if the other ships meant to be in the task force have scheduled to be built before than LHD, or whether in the case task force is ready, is navy training the personnel and preparing the exercises to learn how to use the ship. In my opinion, the decision is almost perfect if they can truely learn all or the configurations, in the case they couldnt integrate F-35Bs , then the other configuration will be still usable and paying out the cost of the ship.

And english isnt our native language, if we make mistakes through,that shows we know another language much better on the other hand this site isnt an official one, not an scienitific journal nor a homework for class, people can do mistakes and you gotta ignore those,if you dont so, let me tell ;its not appreciated and leaves a not so good image of you. (need to say you got sort of a title that you indicates you are not a douche to correct and point out typos and grammar in a discussion)


Ps. dont bother for a reply ,i wont have time for a week ahead to probably to login and read.

 

[TheMightyBender]

Turkey's indigenously-built warship to be ready in 2019
ISTANBUL - Anadolu Agency

The construction of Turkey's first indigenously-built "multipurpose amphibious assault ship -- the TCG Anadolu", which can be configured as a light aircraft carrier, in Istanbul is gathering pace, according to the head of a Turkish business body.

Metin Kalkavan, who is the chairman of Istanbul, Marmara, Aegean, Mediterranean and Black Sea Chamber of Merchants, told Anadolu Agency: “Approximately 90 percent of the [building] blocks are at the end of production.

“Immediately after the manufacturing phase, fittings will be carried out.”

Kalkavan said the production of the ship, which comprises of 114 blocks, would boost the capacity of Turkish naval forces.

“We will be the 10th state to have such a ship. There are only five or six producers in the world,” he said.

The highly-anticipated attack ship will increase the operational capability of the Turkish Navy, he added.

The ship, which is 68 percent indigenous, is expected to hit the seas in February 2019.

“After that, we will complete the tests and deliver it. The value of the project is over 1 billion euros,” Kalkavan added.

TCG Anadolu is an amphibious assault ship of the Turkish navy that can be configured as a light aircraft carrier. The ship is 232 meters in length, 32 meters in width and 55 meters in hieght.

The construction of the ship began in 2016. The vessel is intended to meet the various needs and requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces, such as sustaining long-endurance, long-distance military combat or humanitarian relief operations; while acting as a command center and flagship for the Turkish navy.

navy, ship, Turkey, indigenous

 

[OguzSenturk]

I hope to see one day TCG Anadolu and TCG Trakya to sail side by side