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I would like to know how warships can protect them against torpedeos.
Which one is more lethal and dangerous for ships? I think using CIWS warships are more confident against cruise missiles. But sudden flying torpedo from UAV must be real cheap surprise.KGK could use IIR guiding systems which are cheap to dedect ships.
in sea, they might be easy to attack by swarm drones, but in blue ocean, imagine thousands of debth, its hard to detect them.. But, even with UAV and sonobous, its really easy to detect SUbmarines once you have the air superity.. but until to get to that point, subs will do their work..Submarines overrated for future because there is plans to develop swarms of underwater drones that can detect and attack subs. Without cruise missiles subs are big and slow targets.
A few weeks ago Ibrahim Sünnetçi told @ Twitter Akya Heavy torpedo is designed not to make a direct hit to the ship but make an impact at a few meters below the ship and to brake it by blast wawe.
Reminds the earlier Hisar-A concept
do we have something against aircrafts? like ground launched missles with ~>60 km range?
I ask because I think it could be usefull specially if you cannot have 24 hours an aircraft in the sky or to cover some "rural" areas in turkey..
could we not make bozdogan to be surface launched (maybe it would have 40 km range) specially if they increase the range in further versions? or is the hit chance significantly lower when it is surface launched? could make no sence but some anti aircraft systems would be nice to have
Currently used SAMs you mean?do we have something against aircrafts? like ground launched missles with ~>60 km range?
I ask because I think it could be usefull specially if you cannot have 24 hours an aircraft in the sky or to cover some "rural" areas in turkey..
could we not make bozdogan to be surface launched (maybe it would have 40 km range) specially if they increase the range in further versions? or is the hit chance significantly lower when it is surface launched? could make no sence but some anti aircraft systems would be nice to have
in sea, they might be easy to attack by swarm drones, but in blue ocean, imagine thousands of debth, its hard to detect them.. But, even with UAV and sonobous, its really easy to detect SUbmarines once you have the air superity.. but until to get to that point, subs will do their work..
Currently used SAMs you mean?
Of course we have HAWK SAMs ground based and operational with 50km range.
Turkish frigates have SM1 missiles with 100km ranges accross the Turkish coasts they cover us.
Not so bad
Also in istanbul we have high altitude SAM Nike's.
Some ships have sea sparrow but i dunno whether advanced.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-66_Standard
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-23_Hawk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-7_Sea_Sparrow
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-14_Nike_Hercules
Edit i forgot Rapiers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier_(missile)
https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15._Füze_Üs_Komutanlığı
Again i have a crazy idea What do you think about combining cruise missile with torpido in order to avoid CIWS and to destroy ships??
For example cruise missile makes course 100 miles by flying untill 2 or 3 miles to target it leaves torpido to water. Torpido avoids CIWS and hits ship
There were some examples missile with torpidos but they were made for nuclear toorpidos.
They had also poor range. May be some UAVs with torpido's we will see or unmanned sonars with sea mine-torpidos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikara_(missile)
Malafon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malafon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-5_ASROC
MILAS- MBDA
Derived from the OTOMAT MK2 missile system, MILAS is designed to carry and release an MU-90, or similar, lightweight torpedo, close to the designated submarine position, as indicated by the ship sonar or by a co-operating ASW helicopter or MPA.
MILAS is capable of ranges from 5 to in excess of 35 km in all directions.
The system effectiveness relies on the capability to update the trajectory and the torpedo release point continuously during the missile flight, with the added advantage of modifying the torpedo settings in respect of target manoeuvres.
With its fast reaction time, operational range and availability, the system provides the launching ship and the escorted naval formation permanent and effective defence against the submarine, be it conventional or nuclear.
MILAS missiles can also be used together with OTOMAT MK 2 missiles in a common system for combined ASW and ASuW operations as in the Italian FREMMs.
Developed in co-operation by France and Italy, MILAS is in operational service with the Italian Navy.
- MILAS: ASW version with a light torpedo in the nose. Weights 800 kg (including torpedo), 6-meter length, 0.46-meter diameter, and 5 km to 35+ km effective range, compatible with Otomat standard systems.[8] The MILAS program started in the 1980s, and was finally adopted only by Italian Navy, the French Navy withdrawing from the program due to cost.
- Otomat
Type Medium-range anti-ship missile
Place of origin Italy
Service history
In service 1977
Production history
Manufacturer MBDA
Specifications
Weight 770 kg (1,698 lb) with booster
Length 4.46 m (14.6 ft)
Diameter 400 mm (15.7 in)
Warhead 210 kg (463 lb)
Detonation
mechanism
Impact and proximity
Engine Turbojet engine
Operational
range
>180 km (97 nmi)
Speed 310 m/s (690 mph; 1,100 km/h; Mach 0.91)
Guidance
system
Inertial guidance, GPS and active radar homing
Launch
platform
Surface-launched
The Otomat[1] is an Italian-built, anti-ship and coastal defence missile first built by the Italian company Oto Melara jointly with Matraand now made by MBDA.
The name comes, for the first versions, from the name of the two builders (OTO Melara MATra) and, for the later versions, Teseo, from the Italian word for Theseus. The MILAS variant is an anti-submarine missile.
Roketsan, a Turkish missile manufacturer, signed an agreement in 2010 with MBDA to design, develop, and produce the new generation of rocket engines for the Otomat.[2]
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http://www.mbda-systems.com/product/milas/