Turkish Land Vehicle Programs

[AnatolianEagle]

FNSS Design

God bless you're eyes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/860533573408915456

Bro it really looks like as FNSS product but it is for sure not the model they have publicly announced yet. May be we will see it at the exhibition.

FNSS one exists. I think they will provide the vehicles. But the picture from aselsan is totally different.

If they're going to make a new vehicle.

 

[what]

I don't share your opinion regarding the size of the market but in general you are absolutely right, bro. Why is a heavily subsidized company like TÜMOSAN investing money in projects which are practically useless for the country? We already have many private companies doing a great job in designing and producing armored vehicles.

This news made me really angry. A sheer waste of resources. This is a general problem of our defense sector. We don't have a clear division of responsibilities among the large group of state companies and between those state companies and the private sector. Billions of Lira are going down the drain because of wrong/careless planing.

We need reforms.

We need some mergers and acquisitions. Tümosan could make millions by just being a supplier to FNSS, BMC, Otokar etc.

 

[universal soldier]

Unmanned turret ?

 

[Mr.Department]

Unmanned turret ?

Yes, remote controlled with external sensors and acorresponding autonomous functions

 

[mustafa erkan]

SARP AT

With desert camo may be it has already installed to this vehicle for export .I couldnt remember which country was using this vehicle.

 

[Random111]

I liked Tümüsan before the Altay engine crisis. After Altay engine crisis, i started to question about company.

But right now they are showing their own armored vehicle family with their own engine and transmission Rignt now i fell in love with them.

Even tho it's not sure it's 100% milli right now?

They have a crucial advantage bro, engines

Ok, TUMOSAN is engine company right? They made a domestic solution for light vehicles, maybe on longer term medium & heavy too one day. Let's assume this one is actually domestic and not tied to foreign restrictions.

But where did they acquire knowledge for armor? for 4x4? Did they partner with foreign company, or did they invest money for it?

On the contrary, it is excellent news. They were all asleep, deeply (Otokar, FNSS, BMC etc…).

Now they're going to wake up. To survive against TUMOSAN they will have to invest substantially in R&D on the most critical and complex element of land vehicles: the engine. Or make alliances to work sharing between them. Otherwise they will simply be sold (this is not the worst of destinies) or just die (they will do absolutely everything to avoid it).


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...update-discussion.300889/page-32#post-9446520

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...update-discussion.300889/page-32#post-9446682

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...update-discussion.300889/page-32#post-9447722



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If I have to choose on long term on who will survive, Otokar or BMC, I will say Otokar. If I have to add TUMOSAN to that list I'd still choose Otokar. There is no reason for Tumosan to try and compete with Otokar, I wouldn't even put them in the same class. I would put their new 4x4 together with Nurol Ilgaz, Katmerciler Hizir and BMC Vuran type of things.

Why can't Tumosan focus on being lead engine supplier for existing Turkish companies? If they only sell domestically they would still be king in the market. Why add this APC family nonsense?

 

[OguzSenturk]

Even tho it's not sure it's 100% milli right now?

It is %100 percent sure that it is not %100 milli, since there is no such thing as "%100 milli". As long as desing and rights belong to Tümosan, rest is not important really.

Tümosan's success is an amazing achievement

 

[Azeri440]

SARP AT

those are SKIF Anti-Tank Missiles made by Ukraine

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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Why can't Tumosan focus on being lead engine supplier for existing Turkish companies? If they only sell domestically they would still be king in the market. Why add this APC family nonsense?

Because there is nothing better than competition and innovation in the armaments industry. Than the best win !

 

[Deliorman]

So Tumosan is owned by Albayrak Holding who also own Yeni Safak (one of AKP's main propaganda tools) and other businesses too? I guess Erdogan is in great relations with them... they are also from Trabzon which is one of his Black sea strongholds. The same with Bayraktar Holding who developed Bayraktar UAV. This time someone from the Bayraktar family married Erdogan's daughter like a year ago so of course he will get a piece from the pie too. There is more similar cases for sure though... from the present and from the past.

Money and good connections can bring you a lot of stuff... Especially when it's a win-win situation for both parties in the big money making game. Of course nobody really cares about the interests of the regular citizens of the country who are nothing else but a resource anyway.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

I'm a little bit skeptical about the competition that Erdogan's Turkey has to offer!
The army, especially with Hulisi, has no say in it...

@Yenikuyu, Do you know by whom Tumosan is owned? So no, search for it and you will find your answer. After Istanbul's urban renewal gift away the are know hunting for the easier money with min. risk.

I'm seriously considering to post after or during the IDEF about all our so-called milli and yerli projects.

And what ?

Whether this is true or false. I do not care !

Otokar (Koç Holding Revenue : € 21.238 Billion - 2016) has developed an engine ? No.

FNSS has developed an engine ? No.

BMC has developed an engine ? No also.

However all know perfectly well that without engine there is absolutely nothing (Altay MBT designed : 2008 - 2016). And do not mention all other types (Land and sea - including submarine -) in need.

At work and than the best win !


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[Bubblegum Crisis]

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BUT at the moment Tumosan isn't capable to get an motor with all the IP-rights, let alone produce an local made engine.

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@cabatli_53



Sources ?


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[KediKesenFare3]

@Nosferatu
People like you are the reason why constructive criticism is a taboo in Turkey. You're totally exaggerating the situation with your strange theories. At the end of the day, TÜMOSAN is a private company.
They can do whatever they want to. You have no right to force your policy on them. If they don't deliver what we demand it's up to the government to establish a state company.

We criticized specific structures and administrative misdetermination here whereas you're simply degrading everything. You're not better than the people you're criticizing.

 

[era_shield]

Sources on what?

I was referring to the MBT engine project. They f*cked up big time. Everyone in the sector knows it, the truth... Tumosan should not able to get any single dime anymore.

@KediKesenFare

How am I degrading everyone ? My words are only targeting Tumosan.

It's not my fault when everybody was shaken because they were too afraid to open their mouths against Tumosan who f*cked up the engine project. We lost valuable years!

Like I said, having engine blocks ≠ finished well working engines. I truly hope they made some nice well working engines. Again, its not my fault I stopped believing in Tumosan after their irresponsible blunder.


Every company must know its place and limits. It they want to invest in the sector all of them should be warmly welcomed.

But they should not fool the people who are paying taxes and subsidising the funds!

What happened with Tumosan and the Austrians was due to political issues, namely the resurgence of Naziism in some parts of Europe, especially Austria. Austria is particularly bad because not only is their natural Naziism coming out again, they're also full of pro-Russian stooges and agents, and that's what makes them make such stupid decisions. It's not Tumosan's fault, and I doubt they got much money from the contract either, but correct me if I'm wrong on that. Also, Tumosan has a fully functional engine, power train, suspension, and transmission, not just an engine block.

 

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