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Turkish former president says country was wrong to adopt presidential system

Feb 18 2020

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Abdullah Gül, a founding member of Turkey’s ruling party and the predecessor as president to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, spoke out against the executive presidential system and Turkish foreign policy in rare public criticism from a man sometimes tipped as a potential challenger to his former ally.

Gül served in the largely ceremonial post of president from 2007 to 2014, while his close ally, Erdoğan, was prime minister, and before that as a widely respected foreign minister.

But since Erdoğan took over as president and steered Turkey towards a system in which the head of state has wide-ranging executive powers, Gül has largely stepped back from frontline politics, though analysts say he has been unhappy with the country’s political direction. Some have even pointed to Gül as a leader who could unite Erdoğan’s disparate opponents.

"I said the parliamentary system is more accurate for Turkey even while I was the president. My choice is for a fully democratic parliamentary system. Parliament has never been this insignificant until today. Turkey feels the absence of it," Gül said in an interview with Karar newspaper published on Tuesday.

Turkey voted to move to the new system in a referendum in 2017, held during a period of emergency rule following a failed coup attempt in July 2016. The new system did away with the position of prime minister and allowed Erdoğan to pass laws by decree and tied key institutions, as well as much financial control, to the presidency.

Erdoğan’s Justice and Development Party (AKP) maintains the new system allows for the smoother running of government, but critics say it has emasculated parliament and ushered in one-man rule.

Gül also voiced concern over Turkey’s policy in Syria, where 13 Turkish soldiers were killed in shelling by Russian-backed Syrian government forces this month. Erdoğan last week pledged to hit back at the Syrian government anywhere in the country if any more Turkish troops were hurt in posts they control in the rebel-held northwest Syrian province of Idlib.

“What I will say, that even if we are very provoked, is not to enter an all-out war with Syria,” Gül said.

Turkey has been involved in the crisis in Syria since the war broke out in 2011 without a proper exit plan, and had enhanced collaboration with Russia while drifting away from its Western allies, he said.

Turkey’s problems with the United States have also drawn it closer to Moscow, but drifting away from the West would weaken Turkish democracy, Gül said.

"Turkey needs to be part of the Western bloc together with Europe to ensure a democratic and pluralistic country. In this respect, its recent relations with Russia are off-balance," he said.

Gül also criticised the government's purchase of Russian S-400 air defence missiles, despite the objections of Turkey’s NATO allies.

The United States opposes the S-400 deal since the Russian system is not compatible with NATO systems and due to fears that Turkey’s deployment of the missiles would allow Russia to glean sensitive information about the defences of NATO’s advanced fighter jets.

Turkey also risks U.S. sanctions over S-400 purchase which aims to deter third parties from defence partnership with Russia and Congress has blocked the delivery of the 100 advanced fifth-generation F-35 stealth aircraft the Turkish military has ordered.

The former president said Turkey's S-400 acquisition could undermine the power of its army, the second largest in NATO after that of the United States.

"Because ultimately all the standards of the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK), everything from its air force to ground forces is at NATO standards. The strength of the TSK comes from that," Gül said.

Turkish defence officials and diplomats should have seen that a country could not have both Russian missiles and aircraft developed to bypass that defence system at the same time, he said.

Gül said Turkey's Kurdish question had become a regional and international issue after the 2015 collapse of a promising ceasefire between the government and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), and the subsequent Turkish invasion of Kurdish-held northern parts of Syria.

"It is all our responsibility. When we could not solve it within our initiative through high human rights standards, it gained regional and international dimensions, these are tough jobs," he said.

Former President Gül also spoke on the 2013 Gezi Park protests, the biggest anti-government demonstrations since President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s Justice and Development Party (AKP) came to power in 2002.

“From the very beginning, when I was asked [about the protests], I said ‘I am very proud of them’,’’Gül said.

“People [of Turkey] in the past, would take to the streets to for human rights or for end to unsolved murders. But now, people had taken to the streets to prevent the cutting of trees,’’ he added.

“I said to myself, we have turned Turkey’s problems into those of the UK and the United States,’’ the former president added.

The Gezi protests, which started as a small-scale peaceful sit-in to demonstrate against the proposed destruction of a small Istanbul park, quickly spread across the country, with many young people joining in to voice their discontent with Erdoğan’s Islamist government.

Gül’s statements arrived on the day a Turkish court acquitted nine top civil society activists accused of terrorism charges linked to protests.

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I am not agree on this. As I have experience living in Indonesia under parliamentary system (1999-2004) and Presidential system (2004-present). It is better to have a Presidential system as it will strengthen the executive (government) and allow people to chose their own President directly.

As we can see problem arise recently in Lebanon and Iraq over their discontent with their Prime Minister choosing. This discontent and resentment will be solved if both Lebanon and Iraq have Presidential system where the public choose their own President.

Like happening in Indonesia starting from 2004 election. The party cannot easily make their party leader as their President candidate if he/she is not popular among the people. The presidential system will force political parties to make popular figure as their Presidential candidate if they want to win the election. This will make successful minister, major or governor become the next President rather than strong figure on the party. This system can by pass political parties power and find fresh, reformist, and experience figure as President candidate.

The President period also should be limited into just 10 years so that abused of power will be prevented and opportunities for new leader to emerge will be more wide.
 
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As much as i dislike all the AKP traitors Abdullah Gül is the only sane founding member of the party who always had a more or less balanced view.
But his hands are also dirty with all that Feto affair that has brought the doom over Turkey.
 
Gezi “protests” are nothing but fraud those protests were hijacked right from the first day
It’s good that this clown is removed from politics
He even talks about so called kurdish question hahahahah what a dickhead
There are kurds loyal to the state and traitor pkk kurds
The latter one should get armenian “medical” treatment
He’s definitely active feto member
 
As much as i dislike all the AKP traitors Abdullah Gül is the only sane founding member of the party who always had a more or less balanced view.
But his hands are also dirty with all that Feto affair that has brought the doom over Turkey.
Wow you calling 50 percent of turkeys population as traitors. The only traitors in turkey are the kemalist terrorists and it political wing the chpkk they are worse than the gulenist if given the opportunities. I remember the night of the coup attempt the secularist kemalist were cheering and egging on the traitors against a elected president and they quickly change their stance/narratives as soon as the coup failed.
However, Erdogan foolishly started appeasing these secularist and kemalist in hope of uniting the country. The more you appease traitors the more embolden they become. A mistake on Erdogans part.
 
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Hi,

Getting the S-400 and being denied the F-35 would be the worst decision made by Pres Erdogan---.

F35 far supercedes the capabilities of any aircraft in the region---.

The S-400 has been neutered by the israelis---.
 
Wow you calling 50 percent of turkeys population as traitors. The only traitors in turkey are the kemalist terrorists and it political wing the chpkk they are worse than the gulenist if given the opportunities. I remember the night of the coup attempt the secularist kemalist were cheering and egging on the traitors against a elected president and they quickly change their stance/narratives as soon as the coup failed.
However, Erdogan foolishly started appeasing these secularist and kemalist in hope of uniting the country. The more you appease traitors the more embolden they become. A mistake on Erdogans part.
Same old BS coming from an AKPeon, let me tell you something, you arent fooling anyone anymore thats why almost a million left your party, you guys are doomed and will pay the price of your crimes one day.

Isolated Erdogan: nearly a million party members walk out on ruling Turkish party

You gotta do a better job in party propaganda if you want to avert the inevitable.
 
I always disliked Abdullah Gul, his face says it all. He served as a president, sad for a country like Turkey.
 
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Same old BS coming from an AKPeon, let me tell you something, you arent fooling anyone anymore thats why almost a million left your party, you guys are doomed and will pay the price of your crimes one day.

Isolated Erdogan: nearly a million party members walk out on ruling Turkish party

You gotta do a better job in party propaganda if you want to avert the inevitable.

You believe in this propaganda? Anyways you guys yet to pay for your crimes for your past. I blame Erdogan for not bringing your lot to account. You guys are worse than the gulenist. Your wet dreams will never come true. Never ever a kemalist won any power legitimately, its always been through the backdoor
 
You believe in this propaganda? Anyways you guys yet to pay for your crimes for your past. I blame Erdogan for not bringing your lot to account. You guys are worse than the gulenist. Your wet dreams will never come true. Never ever a kemalist won any power legitimately, its always been through the backdoor
Wow the words of Supreme court and even Erdogan himself now became propaganda just because you cant face reality.

This week the opposition Arti Gercek newspaper cited figures from the Supreme Court to show that nearly 58,000 members had quit the AKP in the past two months.

Since August 2016, a month after a failed coup that led to a widespread crackdown, more than 902,000 AKP supporters resigned their party membership, the newspaper said.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who leads the AKP, said in September that party numbers had dropped by 290,000 and claimed the fall was largely due to deaths.

Yeah the party numbers dropped by 300k because of deaths, lol, is AKP membership requirements 90+ years or something? :rofl:
 
Turkish domestic politics reminds me so much of Pakistani domestic politics ...

Debate on Presidential vs Parliamentary system, different political sides calling each other 'traitor', some political parties that have links with separatist/ethnic nationalist groups (PKK, PTM, BLA etc).

Society that reflects both religious/cultural conservatism and more 'Westernized' liberalism.

The military was an extremely powerful and influential institution in Turkey (like it is in Pakistan still), and the AKP was actually able to marginalize the military through economic growth and good governance, something that many of us are hoping Imran Khan and the PTI can accomplish.
 
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