Seyfullah
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looks much better than the initial design. Are we going to use any titanium in this thing? Or still aluminium?How about a little visual update from our 105 mm Boran Air Transportable Light Towed Howitzer. Undegoing stress testing.
The box is a muzzle velocity radarlooks much better than the initial design. Are we going to use any titanium in this thing? Or still aluminium?
I see a weird box on top and what looks like some hydrolics at the side. Any idea what those might be?
I suspected that but why would you nee.... oh, for testing purposes obviously duhThe box is a muzzle velocity radar
That sounds like unnecessary weight to me, I won't be surprised if people end up taking it off like how AH65 Apaches' long bow radars are mostly taken off these days.The Box will stay in the final product.
"Boran is fitted with an onboard Aselsan fire control system (FCS) and inertial navigation system (INS). A muzzle velocity radar is mounted above the 105 mm ordnance and feeds information to the FCS."
If that could give the soldiers the possibility to hit the target...instead of hitting 2-5 meters farer...Then I will be glad for this "addon"That sounds like unnecessary weight to me, I won't be surprised if people end up taking it off like how AH65 Apaches' long bow radars are mostly taken off these days.
As long as the environmental conditions aren't too extreme you should be able to get consistent muzzle velocity, even if you're changing the gunpowder charge all the time, the digital fire control system should be able to calculate the amount of veolcity that you're going to get.
Looks like unnecessary complexity for probably very little gain.
the reason is this artillary can see at shoot like tanks. thats why its very important..That sounds like unnecessary weight to me, I won't be surprised if people end up taking it off like how AH65 Apaches' long bow radars are mostly taken off these days.
As long as the environmental conditions aren't too extreme you should be able to get consistent muzzle velocity, even if you're changing the gunpowder charge all the time, the digital fire control system should be able to calculate the amount of veolcity that you're going to get.
Looks like unnecessary complexity for probably very little gain.
it would be probably easier to attach a thermometer and barometer to the system and use that data to estimate the muzzle velocity. Like, you realize that the muzzle velocity of the gun is never going to be a huge surprise right? it just won't be very useful.
Maybe if they use that radar to follow the shells a bit longer and get an estimation of the wind aswell... then it could be more useful. I'd like that.
which is impossible to predict and correct for in the next shot anywayEven if you can measure all kinds of environmental conditions, small differences in the powder can still affect muzzle velocity, so it's useful to be able to use the muzzle velocimeter to see when rounds are going faster or slower than usual because then for the rest of the rounds you can adjust to compensate for it.
which is impossible to predict and correct for in the next shot anyway
as I said, I find it pointless if the radar is just used for muzzle velocity. if it tracks the shell and gives you an estimation on of the wind it could be more useful.
Wartime productions, all of that will go to shit. You're going to have inexperiencede workers mobilized to produce ammo. Much like WWI, standards go out the window when you're forced to make a million shells a month. You're going to have old women working in the factories.The powder in the next shot will usually come from the same batch, will be at a similar temperature and stored in a similar environment, etc, and there are factors other than powder too. This patent explains it a little:
"Muzzle velocity is an important parameter in fire control systems wherein a field gun is aimed at a distant target. Typically, in a fire control system, muzzle velocity is assumed to be a constant parameter, and the more apparent variable parameters, such as wind data and target range, are entered into the fire control system and to compute gun-laying orders. However, muzzle velocity is not constant because the variations in powder charge and variations in projectile weight may cause considerable variations in the muzzle velocity for a given type of weapon. Also, barrel wear causes each individual gun to have different muzzle velocity characteristics over its useful life. Even over the short period of time, changes in the temperature of the barrel cause variations in the muzzle velocity.
To overcome the problem of a variation in muzzle velocity, it is desirable to measure muzzle velocity directly and enter the measured data into the fire control system to increase accuracy."