Turkish Aviation Programs

[hopeful73]

Korea still could not develop a decent K2 engine. They even do not know how long it will take. That's why they still go on with MTU engines. Japanese have some law issues that they can not permit us to export Altay with Mitsubishi engine. I think, someones among us should stop dreaming to get Korean and Japanese support on our ''own'' engine. In order to get a decent engine family, we have to knock our own domestic company and institutes doors to find a permanent solution.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Korea still could not develop a decent K2 engine. They even do not know how long it will take. That's why they still go on with MTU engines. Japanese have some law issues that they can not permit us to export Altay with Mitsubishi engine. I think, someones among us should stop dreaming to get Korean and Japanese support on our ''own'' engine.
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Ridiculous ! Do not say anything ! All technological accomplishment experiencing technical problems early at this level. We are talking about ‘South Korea’. And not of any country.

The only question concerns the time. Only the time. Are you in a hurry or not ? Have you supplier a engine substitution or not ?

K2 Black Panther engine : Doosan Infracore Corporation

Hyundai-rotem (PDF)

Kia Motors

Hyundai Motor Company

... In order to get a decent engine family, we have to knock our own domestic company and institutes doors to find a permanent solution.

Yes, it's true - partially - concerning ‘this situation’.


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[hopeful73]

OK then Bubblegum Crisis, tell me the actual stuation of K2 engine.. could you ?

 

[-SINAN-]

OK then Bubblegum Crisis, tell me the actual stuation of K2 engine.. could you ?

ı don't know what you are trying you prove. Japan and Korea has a base of motor industry. Where as Turkey don't. It's obvious that we need ToT or joint production with a more knowledgeable partner.

-BMC do not produce motors
-Hema produce only motor parts, not the complete motor.
-Tümosan produces old tech- tractor engines.

ToT is a must.

 

[hopeful73]

Japan has a huge base of engine industry yes, but Korea does not have yet. I just try to say that Korea is overrated. As I said before, Japan has law issues and Korea is not enough for us to get ToT. Also, I dont think they would share their technology with us.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

OK then Bubblegum Crisis, tell me the actual stuation of K2 engine.. could you ?

It is still under development - They do not give -. Meanwhile, it uses a German engine.

In oct 2013, there were a confirmation from Hyundai Rotem regarding the fate of K2. Batch 1 is confirmed in serial production, first roll out in December and field trials will begin in 2014. Scheduled in-service date for the first 100 tanks is 2016. The engine for the remaining 500 tanks has not yet been determined.

ADEX 2013: Hyundai Rotem confirms K2 MBT in-service date of 2016

James Hardy, Seoul - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
31 October 2013

Hyundai Rotem officials have confirmed that the K2 (Black Panther) main battle tank (MBT) is in series production but will only be handed over to the Republic of Korea Army (RoKA) in 2014.

Speaking at the Seoul International Aerospace and Defense Exhibition (ADEX 2013), Lee Jeong-In, a chief research engineer at the company's research and development centre, told IHS Jane's that the RoKA had ordered 100 of the advanced MBTs with an in-service date scheduled for 2016.

The company expects the RoKA to eventually order about 600 K2 MBTs, the first 100 of which will be fitted with the MTU 883 diesel/Renk automatic transmission power pack.

ROKA will have no problem using MTU engines for Black Panther. However, the main justification behind the engine has been that they need to make sure they have a back-up engine supplier, preferably in-house, when they try to sell the tank to third nations (Like you). ROKA K2 fighting variants will probably use MTU all the way to keep production from being disrupted. Then there will be other variants... K2A1, K2 ARV, and K2 International which can provide the economy of scale for Doosan engines, but that will be in the future (Probably around the time K1 variants are being phased out due to age).

Turkey solves engine problem in Firtina howitzer sold to Azerbaijan

20 July 2013 12:56

Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Turkey is about to solve the engine problems occurred in T-155 Firtina (Storm) howitzer and high-speed patrol boats sold to Azerbaijan, Turkish Secretariat of Defense Industries told APA.

As an alternative variant, engines of one of the world's leading countries have been selected.

Though Ukrainian-made engine have been suggested for Firtina system, this engine did not meet the requirements set forth.

MKE company is currently working on the production of self-propelled howitzers. T-155 “Firtina” contract signed between Azerbaijan and Turkey covers the purchase of 36 self-propelled howitzers.

The contract was signed in 2011. However, German MTU company that supplies engines for high-speed patrol boats produced both by “Firtina” and “Yonca Onuk” companies, refused to provide engines for military equipments ordered by Azerbaijan basing on embargo imposed by their country due to the armed conflict with Armenia.

The T-155 Firtina self-propelled howitzer is a modified variant of the Korean K9 Thunder. The T-155 Firtina is compatible with standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. Maximum range of fire is 30 km with standard HE projectile and 40 km with rocket-assisted projectile.

Firtina will be the second artillery system after 2S3 "Pion" systems for its range of fire in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces.

... Japan and Korea has a base of motor industry. Where as Turkey don't. It's obvious that we need ToT or joint production with a more knowledgeable partner.

-BMC do not produce motors
-Hema produce only motor parts, not the complete motor.
-Tümosan produces old tech- tractor engines.

ToT is a must.

Exactly...

... As I said before, Japan has law issues and Korea is not enough for us to get ToT. Also, I dont think they would share their technology with us.

Not true, you have not tried to reach ‘an agreement ToT engine’ with them.


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[Bubblegum Crisis]

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Turkey signs USD3.5 billion helicopter deal with Sikorsky

Lale Sariibrahimoglu, Ankara - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
23 February 2014

On 21 February Turkey signed a long awaited USD3.5 billion deal with Sikorsky for the production of 109 T-70 Blackhawk multipurpose helicopters under licence in Turkey.

Turkey first selected the T-70, a Turkish variant of the S-70i Blackhawk in 2007, with the contract taking seven years to negotiate and sign due to protracted talks over price and local workshare/licensed production.

Under the agreement, Sikorsky will also co-operate with Turkey on marketing the helicopter abroad.

Turkey already operates the Blackhawk helicopter, with 20 of the new T-70 helicopters destined for the Turkish Army; six for the Air Force; 11 for the Special Forces Command; 30 for the Gendarmerie; two to the Golbasi Electronics Command (GES), affiliated to the Turkish National Intelligence Agency (MIT); 20 to the Security General Directorate; with the remainder going to the Forestry and Water Affairs Ministry. Deliveries of the helicopters are expected to run 10 years.

The twin-engined T-70 will weigh around 10 tonnes, be capable of carrying 18 personnel, and fitted with equipment similar to the latest version of the Blackhawk for the US military, the UH-60M.

Turkish Aersopace Industries (TAI) is the main contractor in the project, and will build the rotor blades, cabin and a Turkish designed cockpit under licence at their facility in Ankara. Meanwhile Turkish Engine Industries (TEI) will build T700-TEI-701D engines for the aircraft under licence from General Electric, with Alp Aviation (a joint venture between Sikorsky and Alpata Group) producing the helicopters transmission systems and other components, including landing gear. Aselsan will supply advanced electronic systems for the T-70s under a deal with TAI worth USD491.5 million.

Speaking to IHS Janes local defence industry sources stated workshare will accordingly be split: TAI, 39%; Sikorsky, 33%; Aselsan, 17%; TEI, 8%; and Alp Aviation, 3%.

Meanwhile, western defence industry sources in Ankara told IHS Janes they felt the deal would not work in favour of Sikorksy. "It is a skinny deal for Sikorsky that means that the US company will make very little profit. If negotiations on a project last for more than 2.5 years, as has been the case in Sikorsky deal, it would not work in favour of the seller but in favour of the buyer. The more you are on the table the more you have to give," he claimed. However, the deal may prevent Sikorsky parent-company United Technologies from looking to divest the firm, he added.



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[xxxKULxxx]

Speaking to IHS Janes local defence industry sources stated workshare will accordingly be split: TAI, 39%; Sikorsky, 33%; Aselsan, 17%; TEI, 8%; and Alp Aviation, 3%.

So it is 67% indigenous... Nice...

(Yes, i know how to sum up numbers)

 

[Neptune]

So it is 67% indigenous... Nice...

(Yes, i know how to sum up numbers)

And T-70 will be the Turkish version of the UH-60MU which is the most modern Blackhawk variant. We already operate the largest Blackhawk fleet after US if I'm not wrong. 155 Blackhawks + 109 T-70, awesome.

 

[jarves]

Does the purchase of F35 kills the Turkey's fifth generation aircraft project??

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Does the purchase of F35 kills the Turkey's fifth generation aircraft project??

No... F-35s will replace F-4s... 5th generation T/F-Xs will replace F-16s...

 

[-SINAN-]

5th generation T/F-Xs

5th Generation....

I say, it is going to be 4 or 4.5 generation.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

First flight of Turkish Utility Helicopter : 2018

Özgün helikopter ilk uçuşu ne zaman yapacak?

 

[monitor]

Turkey to Produce Up to 600 Black Hawks | Aviation & Air Force News at DefenceTalk

 

[BaybarsHan]

link ?