Turkish Artillery Projects

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They should fire whoever is doing those translations out of the cannon.

 

[Hexciter]

IDEF 2017: Turkey joins railgun club

09th May 2017 - 15:11 by Grant Turnbull in Istanbul

Turkish electronic specialists Aselsan are showcasing a new railgun concept at this year's IDEF exhibition in Istanbul, which may lead to a fully-developed system in the next decade.

Known as the 'Tufan' (Turkish for storm), the railgun could be integrated onto several platforms including vessels or ground vehicles, as well as be used as a static weapon system on land. It could be utilised for indirect/direct fire missions against ground and naval targets or be used as an anti-aircraft weapon.

An Aselsan spokesperson told Shephard that the project was still in the research and development phase, with the company testing a lab-based launcher system.

'The current launcher we have is small, but we are developing bigger launchers to get more muzzle velocity,' he explained.

Unlike a traditional gun that uses gunpowder or a propellant to fire a round out of the barrel, a railgun sends a massive electric current down two rails that creates a magnetic field to 'fire' a solid, non-explosive, projectile.

The result is a projectile that has a muzzle velocity approximately five times the speed of sound and can travel hundreds of kilometres, rather than the 30-40km of existing gun systems.

The development of this advanced capability is a sign of Turkey's growing technological capability in the defence space, with Aselsan joining a very select group of industry players that are experimenting with railgun technology.

BAE Systems and General Atomics are two companies that are known to have developed working railgun concepts.

There are several challenges to overcome, however, according to the Aselsan spokesperson, including the huge amounts of energy required to propel the round. Other issues include extremely high temperatures (which would require a cooling mechanism), and the overall lifespan of the rails themselves which is small.

Aselsan's current testing of Tufan is focused on incrementally boosting the muzzle velocity, and also increasing the overall efficiency of the system. 'And then we are aiming to develop a family of munitions which will include smart munitions.'

These could include airburst munitions and guided projectiles for a ground-based indirect fire capability. Forces equipped with a railgun artillery system would be able to hit targets at stand-off distances, well out of range of traditional guns.

'As your range increases then you need to deliver it to the target accurately,' said the spokesperson. 'To do it precisely you need some kind of guidance [for the projectile].'

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/idef-2017-turkey-joins-railgun-club/

 

[ziya]

Ongoing Artillery howitzer projects:
Firtina-2
Panter-2
Boran 105mm
Boran on truck


Artillery missile project
Trg-122
Trg-300
Khan
Bora




Mkek tested own developed classic projectile in a range around 50km at last trials but It is not revealed the actual scope of new project so the range will be known only when trials would be fully completed.

can you make this tread sticky

 

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[Mr.Department]

Very impressive and good explanation.
That is a real domestic product. Aselsan Tübitak Laser as well.

 

[Hexciter]

MKEK's Yavuz

Nexter's Caesar

 

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MKEK's Yavuz

View attachment 396717 Nexter's Caesar

What do you reckon, seen as MKE is a sub-par institution when it comes to R&D. Do you think they paid a little to get a little ?

 

[Hexciter]

What do you reckon, seen as MKE is a sub-par institution when it comes to R&D. Do you think they paid a little to get a little ?

They should convert into a R&D company. But they have difficulty in transformation because of their long tradition.

 

[Hexciter]

MKEK's firing stability seems to better than Nexter's Caesar, but mobility.

 

[Mr.Department]

MKEK's firing stability seems to better than Nexter's Caesar, but mobility.

It is the beginning. guess the heavy armored cabin is the reason for stability, but lack of mobility cause for my opinion it is underpowered.
The truck has a 440 HP , they could upgrade the engine for better mobility.
Yavuz howitzer and barrel weight is 20 tons, add 18 ammo 155 mm ammo = 1 ton, BMC truck weight with armored cabin 20 ton = round about 40 tons. This is fmo too weak.
source globalsecurity:
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ke-yavuz-155mm-self-propelled-howitzers-sphs/

In your posted version we can see the old version of Caesar 6x6. In posted video it is in 30 ton class without armored cabin.
Caesar uses now Tatra 8x8 modified truck, Denmark ordered 15 systems in March 2017 on TATRA 8x8 chassis with armored cabin. I guess balance and stability problems are now solved.

comparison Israeli ATMOS

 

[Hexciter]

It is the beginning. guess the heavy armored cabin is the reason for stability, but lack of mobility cause for my opinion it is underpowered.
The truck has a 440 HP , they could upgrade the engine for better mobility.
Yavuz howitzer and barrel weight is 20 tons, add 18 ammo 155 mm ammo = 1 ton, BMC truck weight with armored cabin 20 ton = round about 40 tons. This is fmo too weak.
source globalsecurity:
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ke-yavuz-155mm-self-propelled-howitzers-sphs/

In your posted version we can see the old version of Caesar 6x6. In posted video it is in 30 ton class without armored cabin.
Caesar uses now Tatra 8x8 modified truck, Denmark ordered 15 systems in March 2017 on TATRA 8x8 chassis with armored cabin. I guess balance and stability problems are now solved.

comparison Israeli ATMOS

Caesar 8x8 needs a second robotic arm for propellant. Because the first one is very speedy, the propellant loader needs to be very careful and should not miss.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

MKEK's firing stability seems to better than Nexter's Caesar, but mobility.

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Wonderful...


Now need automated loading system.

CAESAR 8x8

And this :

Similar to ‘M982 Excalibur’

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkish-artillery-projects.389503/page-9#post-9240465

And that will be perfect.


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[ziya]

Fırtına II will be able to improve fire rate

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkiye will have one of the strongest artillery missile forces in region. The national missile system with an average CEP rate of 10m (some of them), will boost the striking capabilities of Turkish Land Forces.


TRG-122-35km
TRG-230-70km
TRGK-300-90km
TRG-300-120km
Yıldırım - 150km
Kaan- 280km/360km

 

[AnatolianEagle]

Tufan S
Will protect superior shorelines Egean, Mediterranean, Blacksea.

- 2500 - 3000 m/s speed.
- 300 km range.
- Hidden munitions, power supply's.
- Bullet size depends on railsize. It's changeable. 155 mm possible.
- Unmoving means uncomplicated which could be more prefered.
- Missiles make no chance.

Tufan M

- Not preferable due to needed moving power supply and radar tracking system.
- Will be easier in future to manage.