Turkey's Wrong Bet on Syria

[Hurshid Celebi]

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Decisions of National Security Council :

Birincisi, ABD ve koalisyon güçlerinin, IŞİD’le ve rejimle çatışan muhaliflere askeri destek vermesini ve Cerablus’un IŞİD’in eline geçmesinin önlenmesini sağlamak."
"İkincisi de Cerablus sınır hattında TSK unsurları eliyle güvenli bir hat oluşturmak ve alanın çok geniş olmamasından da yararlanarak karadan karaya ya da sıcak takip müdahaleleriyle bölgenin kontrolünü sağlamak."

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4 Temmuz 2015 Cumartesi Türkiye
Suriye sınırında, güvenli bölge tartışmaları gündemdeyken Ankara'da kritik bir askeri zirve yapılacak. Suriye sınırındaki birlik komutanları ve olası bir sınır ötesi operasyonda görev alacak komando tugaylarının komutanları Ankara'ya çağırıldı.
Başkent, kritik bir askeri zirveye hazırlanıyor. IŞİD ve PYD risklerine karşı güvenlik bölge oluşturulması tartışması devam ederken komutanlar Suriye sınırındaydı. Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanı Orgeneral Hulusi Akar ile 2. Ordu Komutanı Orgeneral Adem Huduti, hafta içinde sınır bölgesindeki birlikleri denetledi. Ardından da hudut hattındaki birliklerin bağlı olduğu zırhlı ve motorlu tugayların komutanlarına Ankara'da önümüzdeki hafta karargahta yapılacak toplantıya katılma emri gönderildi.
Bolu ve Kayseri komanda tugayları komutanları da Ankara'da olacak. Toplantıda, olası bir sınır ötesi harekatına yönelik hazırlıklar, harekatı icra edecek komutanlarca değerlendirilecek. 400'den fazla zırhlı personel taşıyıcının Suriye tarafına geçiş planları da masaya yatırılacak. Bu araçlar IŞİD'in mayın döşemesi ve el yapımı patlayıcı kullanması ihtimaline karşılık sinyal kesici jammerlerla korunuyor.
Şah Fırat operasyonunda görev icra eden Şanlıurfa'da konuşlu özel kuvvetlerin de harekat planında olmaları bekleniyor. Kara birliklerine destek vermek amacıyla hava kuvvetleri unsurlarının hangi boyutta kullanılacağı da harekat planları içinde yer alacak.
Sınır bölgesinde askeri hareketlilik de sürüyor. Bölgeye kaydırılan Tunceli 4. Komando Tugayı’na bağlı bir taburun sınır hattına yerleştirildiği öğrenildi. 457 uzman komandodan oluşan tabur olası bir harekata meskun mahallerde kullanılacak.

 

[Neptune]

Yeah Kurds are heroes of the middle east... Saviors of secularism my arse.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Material including Turkish MLRS Systems and more heavy artillery moved from Polatli Artillery and Missile Range to Syrian Boarder, all boarder commanders were called to Ankara for an emergency an last coordination Meeting.

21:15 Turkish Time

Ankara’dan Suriye Sınırına Top ve Füze Bataryaları Sevk Edildi

23:15 Turkish time

Sınır Komutanları Ankara’ya Çağırıldı

 

[NL_Turk]

Would a possible incursion also mean the temporary emptying of border villages?

I can already see media headlines in Europe: "Turks ethnically cleansing Kurds".

 

[Serpentine]

Türkiye has one red line

We saw Turkey's (Erdogan's to be more precise since he is leading they country now) response to ISIS attacks against Turkmen in Iraq: nothing. So please bro, we all know there is no red line like that here. Countries's actions and interests are not based on races. Turkey didn't do anything for Iraqi Turkmen (while Iran did, training them, arming them and helping Iraqi forces break ISIS siege against them and it had nothing to do with races, but national interests). So if Turkey does have an operation in Syria, it'll have nothing to do with Turkmen, but with Erdogan's whatever plans he has in mind with his Muslim Brotherhood friends. The guy is craving to pray in Damascus mosque for 4 years now.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

It is not predictable what will happen. The troop strength is almost 55.000 personel, the same strength which 1999 forced Hafiz Al Asad to deport Terrorist leader Öcalan ! No matter to worry !
European Media is partisan media.
Today Kandil PKK threatened Türkiye. It is a good chanche to knock them all out, if they attack and threaten us.
European Media Claims Türkiye would try to avoid an independent Kurd state in Syria and a corridor to the Mediterannean. Yes thats exactly we will avoid ! We will also protect 325.000 Bayir Bucak Türkmens from our Oguz Boy.
There is no ethnic cleansing intented. Ethnic cleaning is JOB of PYD and DAES .

It is also the last chanche of the temporar government, if they nor fail again in foreign policy they will sink under 30 % next early elections.
They can save Turkish interests and win great sympathy again in Türkiye. Otherwise not only Türkiye will loose but also the government.

No chanche ,for DAES, PYD even they attack us together with the rest of Syrian Forces.
Read my Scenario I wrote before, all Forces are in Alarm. Ground, Air and even Navy.

We must be prepared to suffer casualties ! But for the future of our Nation we must accept this.

Keep cool, nobody should test our steely Determination if we are blackmailed by terrorists :

We saw Turkey's (Erdogan's to be more precise since he is leading they country now) response to ISIS attacks against Turkmen in Iraq: nothing. So please bro, we all know there is no red line like that here. Countries's actions and interests are not based on races. Turkey didn't do anything for Iraqi Turkmen (while Iran did, training them, arming them and helping Iraqi forces break ISIS siege against them and it had nothing to do with races, but national interests). So if Turkey does have an operation in Syria, it'll have nothing to do with Turkmen, but with Erdogan's whatever plans he has in mind with his Muslim Brotherhood friends. The guy is craving to pray in Damascus mosque for 4 years now.

Bro, Iran did it not unselfish. It is Irans policy to arm and organize all Shia People for his own interests. I never understood, why Iran always accept PKK infiltrating from Kandil and killing dozends of Pastars and nothing happens.
Is there a silent "hidden" alliance?

Minute 1:30 Roketsan official

Better an end with horror than a horror without end !

@ Serpentine Is Iran on the side of US and Israel ? We know that behind closed doors are so many contacts with them.

Evidence :

ETHNIC CLEANING OF TURKS in Syria from US and Israel supported DEAS and PYD

Suriye'de savaş yeni başlıyor - Dünya Haberleri

Suriye sınırımızda 3 bin MOSSAD ajanı - Gündem Haberleri

 

[Serpentine]

Bro, Iran did it not unselfish. It is Irans policy to arm and organize all Shia People for his own interests. I never understood, why Iran always accept PKK infiltrating from Kandil and killing dozends of Pastars and nothing happens.
Is there a silent "hidden" alliance?

Better an end with horror than a horror without end !

@ Serpentine Is Iran on the side of US and Israel ? We know that behind closed doors are so many contacts with them.

Evidence :

ETHNIC CLEANING OF TURKS in Syria from US and Israel supported DEAS and PYD

Suriye'de savaş yeni başlıyor - Dünya Haberleri

Suriye sınırımızda 3 bin MOSSAD ajanı - Gündem Haberleri

The fact that you dare to talk about having relations with Israel/US while your country has diplomatic relations with both, is a part of NATO and buys billions of dollars in arms from them astonishes me, this really requires some guts to stand up and giving speech about downsides of having relations with US/Israel as a person living in Turkey. Just amazing.

And yes, Iran did help them with look at national interests too, like all countries do. It's in our interest to defeat ISIS in Iraq and Syria, this is not a charity.

And look at me thinking I am talking with a sane member, while I was talking with a religious conspiracy theorist. Good luck.

 

[BordoEnes]

We saw Turkey's (Erdogan's to be more precise since he is leading they country now) response to ISIS attacks against Turkmen in Iraq: nothing. So please bro, we all know there is no red line like that here. Countries's actions and interests are not based on races. Turkey didn't do anything for Iraqi Turkmen (while Iran did, training them, arming them and helping Iraqi forces break ISIS siege against them and it had nothing to do with races, but national interests). So if Turkey does have an operation in Syria, it'll have nothing to do with Turkmen, but with Erdogan's whatever plans he has in mind with his Muslim Brotherhood friends. The guy is craving to pray in Damascus mosque for 4 years now.

By the time things settle in Syria there wont be a single place worth calling a mosque to pray in. Miscalculations have been made by both sides, chaos is the result. Though you seem to have the right idea of how countries foreign policies are taken shape and why they are implemented that way. Race is irrelevant, why do you think we are on good terms with Iraqi Kurdistan?

I can understand Turkey's move to support the opposition in Syria, infact it was inevitable. For a country like Turkey which is a rising powerhouse it was only natural for its foreign policy to take a more "aggresive" shape so i might expand its influence. Even though we werent on bad terms with Assad by any means, it was the neutrality of them that posed the most threath. If things went the way Erdogan wanted, there would be a puppet state, much like Iraq is to Iran.

Though it seems he gambled wrong. Morales and values are irrelevant, whats just is for the Media and sheep to figure out.

The fact that you dare to talk about having relations with Israel/US while your country has diplomatic relations with both, is a part of NATO and buys billions of dollars in arms from them astonishes me, this really requires some guts to stand up and giving speech about downsides of having relations with US/Israel as a person living in Turkey. Just amazing.

And yes, Iran did help them with look at national interests too, like all countries do. It's in our interest to defeat ISIS in Iraq and Syria, this is not a charity.

And look at me thinking I am talking with a sane member, while I was talking with a religious conspiracy theorist. Good luck.

Having relations on diplomatic level is absolutly normal, even Iran has them with both. Buying weapons from them is neccesity rather then a choice. Its also the reason why we decided to become as independent as possible. Currently most foreign weaponry in Turkish service have a better domestic equavelant. Iran's weaponry still primarely consist of foreign weaponry, so you are not the one to talk.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Serpentine

I agree with you. Nations have Interests and People friends. There is no religious conspiracy theory. If I should believe your arguments that Iran does this absolute unselfish and for humantitarian reasons, then my opinion about Iran has to be completely changed. Up to know I believed that Iran is politically high skilled. The trend is to divide the muslim world in Sunna and Shia . The first tests were bloody made in Pakistan. Why did Iran supported for years the Maliki government which represented only 30 percent of the Population. Do you think a handful DEAS terrorists would have been able to defeat the Iraqi Army ? No. The surpression of the majority led to an natural alliance of the Sunna Clans with DEAS. Do you really want to make believe, that the US or Iran had not had the Military Power to defend Mosul, against that perverted DAES terrorists. They raised in Mosul and will fall in Mosul.Remember at BASRA the USA destroyed in 2 hours The Elite Republic Guard of Saddam and 300 T-72 from air with only 10 A-10 airplanes !´Horriyfying Pictures I remember like today. What is going on in Libya ? DAES ? No, under mask of DAES the Clans ! The same in Sinai, Egypt begs help from Israel, do you think that is normal ?
Iran only say, that they will intervene if Necef or other holly tombs are attacked.
What's that ?

 

[Serpentine]

Having relations on diplomatic level is absolutly normal, even Iran has them with both. Buying weapons from them is neccesity rather then a choice. Its also the reason why we decided to become as independent as possible. Currently most foreign weaponry in Turkish service have a better domestic equavelant. Iran's weaponry still primarely consist of foreign weaponry, so you are not the one to talk.

Actually, I don't really care if Turkey has relations with them or not, or buys arms from them or not, if you see, I answered because a 'Turkish' member was saying something about Iran having secret relations with Israel or US which is bs, when his own country has relations with both, which means, he should start bashing his own country first.

I agree with you. Nations have Interests and People friends. There is no religious conspiracy theory. If I should believe your arguments that Iran does this absolute unselfish and for humantitarian reasons, then my opinion about Iran has to be completely changed. Up to know I believed that Iran is politically high skilled. The trend is to divide the muslim world in Sunna and Shia . The first tests were bloody made in Pakistan. Why did Iran supported for years the Maliki government which represented only 30 percent of the Population. Do you think a handful DEAS terrorists would have been able to defeat the Iraqi Army ? No. The surpression of the majority led to an natural alliance of the Sunna Clans with DEAS. Do you really want to make believe, that the US or Iran had not had the Military Power to defend Mosul, against that perverted DAES terrorists. They raised in Mosul and will fall in Mosul.Remember at BASRA the USA destroyed in 2 hours The Elite Republic Guard of Saddam and 300 T-72 from air with only 10 A-10 airplanes !´Horriyfying Pictures I remember like today. What is going on in Libya ? DAES ? No, under mask of DAES the Clans ! The same in Sinai, Egypt begs help from Israel, do you think that is normal ?
Iran only say, that they will intervene if Necef or other holly tombs are attacked.
What's that ?

Maliki represented 30% of Iraqi population? You are unbelievable dear. Maliki was elected, good or bad, angel or devil, he was elected by Iraqis, needless to say that majority of Iraqi population are Shias.

It was NOT Iran's duty to defend Mosul. The city was captured in less than 2 days thanks to betrayal of high ranking Iraqi commanders. There wasn't even a fight to capture the city. Why didn't Turkey intervene to save Mosul? After all, it's closer to Turkish border.

Daesh can easily be defeated if it fights against a proper army, but which country will sacrifice their soldiers to do that? Are you up for the task?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

What elections do you talk about ? Fair elections in Irak, fair elections in an Dikta Mullah Regime ?
No negotiations with USA and Israel , thats absolut ridiculous :

BOOM: Bush Labels Obama’s Iran Negotiations One Simple Word In Behind Closed Door Meeting.
BOOM: Bush Labels Obama’s Iran Negotiations One Simple Word In Behind Closed Door Meeting.

If you can Count almost 30 % non Arabs, 30% Sunni Irakis, do you want tell me about fair elections in an underdeveloped Country ?

Evidence :

Iraqi Arabs (including Palestinians, Marsh Arabs, Bedouins and other Arab subgroups): 75-80%, Kurds (including Feylis, Yazidis, Shabaks and Kaka'is): 15-20%, Turkmen: 5%, Assyrians: 2%, other: 1% (Armenians, Circassians, Persians, Mandaeans/Sabians, Bahá'ís and Afro-Iraqis and Doms).

 

[Solomon2]

His arguments are driven only with the desire of making Turkey look like terror sponsoring,3rd world banana republic. It's also a known fact he keeps traveling to Israel because he has connections there. His sole purpose is to misrepresent Turkey and muddle the facts to fit his narrative. Either diversify the sources of your "education" or spare us this stupid articles which no one takes seriously in Turkey anymore.

It's not that what you claim isn't possible, it's that you're not providing counter-arguments that disprove his, so logically B.B.'s statements must stand, not yours.