Turkey’s planned domestic car will be electric-engine: Minister

[Saithan]

Turkey will go for an electric-engine model in its bid to develop its first domestic car brand, Science, Industry and Technology Minister Faruk Özlü has stated.

“The conversion in the global auto market shows us today that now is the best time to enter the market. Our priority in the local vehicle market is an electrical type,” Özlü said in an interview with private broadcaster CNN Türk on July 9.

“First version of this vehicle will soon to appear on the market and will be an electrical one,” he said, adding that it could be produced by 2019.

Özlü noted that the world’s automotive market today is in transformation, pointing to Tesla, the Silicon Valley-based electric engine car developer, competing with century-old brands.

Along with the domestic automobile, Özlü said domestic aircraft production would also be finalized soon.
“We will carry out these works. At the moment on our production line are new generation manned fighter aircrafts, equipped with the latest technology,” he said.

Özlü also stated that in 2018, a Turkish base will be set up in Antarctica, enabling the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TÜBİTAK) and the Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ) Pole Research Center to conduct research in the region.

At the moment, Antarctica is not ruled under any single country’s domination but it is managed under 53 different countries. Presently, Turkey has observer status in the region and to increase its rights a country is expected to make scientific research in the region.

Özlü also noted that his ministry was working on training astronauts for new missions.

July/10/2017

source:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...ter-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=115323&NewsCatID=345

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So it seems that buying the blueprint of SAAB 9-3 and producing it is difficult, so we will make an electric car because that gives us time to "build" an electric engine ?!?!????!?!?!?

This is a statement saying we can't produce conventional vehicles.

 

[SouI]

Turkey will go for an electric-engine model in its bid to develop its first domestic car brand, Science, Industry and Technology Minister Faruk Özlü has stated.

“The conversion in the global auto market shows us today that now is the best time to enter the market. Our priority in the local vehicle market is an electrical type,” Özlü said in an interview with private broadcaster CNN Türk on July 9.

“First version of this vehicle will soon to appear on the market and will be an electrical one,” he said, adding that it could be produced by 2019.

Özlü noted that the world’s automotive market today is in transformation, pointing to Tesla, the Silicon Valley-based electric engine car developer, competing with century-old brands.

Along with the domestic automobile, Özlü said domestic aircraft production would also be finalized soon.
“We will carry out these works. At the moment on our production line are new generation manned fighter aircrafts, equipped with the latest technology,” he said.

Özlü also stated that in 2018, a Turkish base will be set up in Antarctica, enabling the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TÜBİTAK) and the Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ) Pole Research Center to conduct research in the region.

At the moment, Antarctica is not ruled under any single country’s domination but it is managed under 53 different countries. Presently, Turkey has observer status in the region and to increase its rights a country is expected to make scientific research in the region.

Özlü also noted that his ministry was working on training astronauts for new missions.

July/10/2017

source:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...ter-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=115323&NewsCatID=345

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So it seems that buying the blueprint of SAAB 9-3 and producing it is difficult, so we will make an electric car because that gives us time to "build" an electric engine ?!?!????!?!?!?

This is a statement saying we can't produce conventional vehicles.

Well he is right that the future will be of electric vehicles. Have you ever checked Tesla products? I am a long time follower and they are doing amazing thing with the concept of EV.

First of all the center of gravity of the vehicles is too low due to batteries being located underside of the vehicle, making it extremely hard for the vehicle to roll over, adding to its security.

Then you have instant acceleration as it is powered by batteries..

Also easier to adapt to auto-pilot systems as electric engines can be more precizely controlled, almost perfectly.


Well apart from all that.. batteries decay fast and they are expensive. So every 6-8 year or so you would be requirrd to replace the batteries.

And the range is too low compared to those of that are used today. Range go down over time too as batteries decay. That is very problematic.

Also batteries lose charge over time by itself, so if it is 30% charged the next day you may find out it is out of charge! (There is such a video of a tesla owner in YouTube showing a loss of about 30% charge overnight)

And they take a loooong time to charge. Ordinary cars take up to a few minutes to to fuel up as EVs take 8-10 hours to charge completely. And mind you, that much charge for lower amount of range too.

All in all I am for FCEVs (Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles).

They use hydrogen as their fuel, take few minutes to fuel up completely just like ICVs and their ranges are greater than BEVs.

They are also more efficient than Battery Ellectric Vehicles in terms of energy spent per kg of transported good as batteries are HEAVY!

 

[Saithan]

Dude, I see at least 3-7 Tesla when I drive on the highway, so yeah I know.

But the point is not whether we should invest in electric cars or not, but the fact that we can't even produce a conventional fossil fuel vehicle even after buying SAAB 9-3 blueprints.

After you're born, you learn to crawl, and then you learn to walk, then you learn to run. But we seem incapable of even doing the simplest of things.

Nooooo..... we should jump to something so sophisticated that only a few companies can make it. Fossil fuel vehicles are not going to disappear immediately, and at least not within the next 10-15 years. So I would have expected that learning and producing SAAB in the meantime would have been a good investment to gain knowhow and then take it from there.

Trying to skip out on some of these steps leads only to one thing, lack of knowhow, lack of manpower to realize ambitions. Behind every other rival in the market.

I imagine that with the SAAB 9-3 we'd get some kind of an engine, but perhaps I am wrong, but if we have the engine. Then it's catastrophic not to produce the car.

 

[damm1t]

Aselsan was developing an electric engine, any news ?

 

[Glass]

how much will the car cost

they should build something like fiat agean. We can export them as well

 

[what]

What is a electric car in serial production worth if the battery is shitty (?) and you dont have the infrastructre ready for it (charging stations). I mean I'm all for it, but maybe you can make in mandatory first for public transportation in cities and taxis and move forward from there.

 

[Oublious]

wasted money as long the battery technology don't get better. I work in the automotive sector and i can tell you that electric vehicle have big problems with batteries. 3/5 years and you have the change your battery, range is not like gasoline or diesel. Expensive and the factory is happy when you have to change it when you warranty expired.

We see a lot of with Tesla, Tesla have battery indicator when the quality of the battery get lower it burns, what Tesla is doing simple, software update and the level of the indicator changed MIL lamp turns of. So the 6 years of warranty is feasible with this game, wher do we have to use?

If you ask me public transport in the city with busses. Four stroke engine will never disappear. In the cold winter you can't charge the battery 100%, more use of energie in the winter so the range get lower. Invest in 4 stroke engine, yes invest in electricle vehicle but not that much.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

We NEVER did buy blueprints of any vehicle!!! Stop spreading this nonsense all over this board!

 

[Saithan]

http://www.saabplanet.com/nevs-has-...artner-for-developing-a-turkish-national-car/


http://www.saabplanet.com/turkeys-ev-saab-9-3-better-than-teslas-car-claims-minister/

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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So it seems that buying the blueprint of SAAB 9-3 and producing it is difficult, so we will make an electric car because that gives us time to "build" an electric engine ?!?!????!?!?!?

This is a statement saying we can't produce conventional vehicles.

http://www.saabplanet.com/nevs-has-...artner-for-developing-a-turkish-national-car/


http://www.saabplanet.com/turkeys-ev-saab-9-3-better-than-teslas-car-claims-minister/

ASELSAN and IBM to Cooperate in Research and Development (Aselsan.com, 11/24/2014)


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Turkey's ASELSAN to develop battery for electric cars with IBM

Ankara
November/24/2014

Turkish defense company ASELSAN and IBM have signed a deal to develop batteries that will enable electric cars to make journeys five times longer than the current distance after being charged, the company said in a written statement on Nov. 24.

The agreement was signed by ASELSAN General Manager Faik Eken and IBM Vice President Kenneth J. Keating Jr. to conduct research and development activities together on Metal-Air batteries for use in electric cars during the initial stage.

The companies will then start to develop a new generation of batteries.

“Metal-Air Batteries, which are planned to be developed jointly by ASELSAN and IBM, will be able to have five times more power storage capacity than a Li-on battery. The new batteries will thus become a milestone on the road to resolving a range of problems in electric cars,” said the statement.

An electric car with Li-on technologies can travel 160 kilometers (100 miles) after being charged, but the new Metal-Air technologies will enable such cars to travel 800 km (500 miles) after being charged, according to the statement.

ASELSAN and IBM will also cooperate in developing integrated circuits for a series of different radar technologies.


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[TheMightyBender]

Dude, I see at least 3-7 Tesla when I drive on the highway, so yeah I know.

But the point is not whether we should invest in electric cars or not, but the fact that we can't even produce a conventional fossil fuel vehicle even after buying SAAB 9-3 blueprints.

After you're born, you learn to crawl, and then you learn to walk, then you learn to run. But we seem incapable of even doing the simplest of things.

Nooooo..... we should jump to something so sophisticated that only a few companies can make it. Fossil fuel vehicles are not going to disappear immediately, and at least not within the next 10-15 years. So I would have expected that learning and producing SAAB in the meantime would have been a good investment to gain knowhow and then take it from there.

Trying to skip out on some of these steps leads only to one thing, lack of knowhow, lack of manpower to realize ambitions. Behind every other rival in the market.

I imagine that with the SAAB 9-3 we'd get some kind of an engine, but perhaps I am wrong, but if we have the engine. Then it's catastrophic not to produce the car.

Building a car is easy. We can do it overnight. The problem is; we are not building a car, we are building a brand.

 

[Saithan]

Building a car is easy. We can do it overnight. The problem is; we are not building a car, we are building a brand.

I call BS on that mate. You can't build a brand on imaginary products. Why you may ask, and I'll point at Dacia, and thanks to Renault it's now a brand that's doing much better than ever.

You think Beko and Arcelik (Grundig) became famous overnight, or by releasing hot air ? No they had to deliver a product and keep on doing better, buy another brand (Grundig) and continue and promoting their goods. That takes years, so by postponing production of conventional fossil vehicle we gain what ? Nothing.

Another thing that'll doom the car project is all the hyped expectations. If the car can't compete with the best when it hits the market after all that cirkus act of bragging about it, ppl will go buy a BMW, Mercedes, VW, Seat.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Turkey will go for an electric-engine model in its bid to develop its first domestic car brand, Science, Industry and Technology Minister Faruk Özlü has stated.

“The conversion in the global auto market shows us today that now is the best time to enter the market. Our priority in the local vehicle market is an electrical type,” Özlü said in an interview with private broadcaster CNN Türk on July 9.

“First version of this vehicle will soon to appear on the market and will be an electrical one,” he said, adding that it could be produced by 2019.

Özlü noted that the world’s automotive market today is in transformation, pointing to Tesla, the Silicon Valley-based electric engine car developer, competing with century-old brands.

Along with the domestic automobile, Özlü said domestic aircraft production would also be finalized soon.
“We will carry out these works. At the moment on our production line are new generation manned fighter aircrafts, equipped with the latest technology,” he said.

Özlü also stated that in 2018, a Turkish base will be set up in Antarctica, enabling the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TÜBİTAK) and the Istanbul Technical University (İTÜ) Pole Research Center to conduct research in the region.

At the moment, Antarctica is not ruled under any single country’s domination but it is managed under 53 different countries. Presently, Turkey has observer status in the region and to increase its rights a country is expected to make scientific research in the region.

Özlü also noted that his ministry was working on training astronauts for new missions.

July/10/2017

source:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...ter-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=115323&NewsCatID=345

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So it seems that buying the blueprint of SAAB 9-3 and producing it is difficult, so we will make an electric car because that gives us time to "build" an electric engine ?!?!????!?!?!?

This is a statement saying we can't produce conventional vehicles.

Electric engine? This is the first time i have ever heard of that word, what is it as long as i remember there's no such thing as electric engine maybe he's trying to say an electric car(there's no engine in an electric car).

 

[era_shield]

http://www.saabplanet.com/nevs-has-...artner-for-developing-a-turkish-national-car/


http://www.saabplanet.com/turkeys-ev-saab-9-3-better-than-teslas-car-claims-minister/

Try reading your own links. It's clear the goal from the beginning was an electric vehicle, and the agreement between Saab and TUBITAK is co-development, not just buying some car's "blueprint". So, your commentary about being unable to build the Saab so resorting to an electric engine is BS.

 

[Saithan]

Try reading your own links. It's clear the goal from the beginning was an electric vehicle, and the agreement between Saab and TUBITAK is co-development, not just buying some car's "blueprint". So, your commentary about being unable to build the Saab so resorting to an electric engine is BS.

OK, seriously dude just read the articles and follow the links too.

http://www.saabplanet.com/turkish-minister-confirmed-we-bought-all-the-rights-to-the-saab-9-3/

Also follow up with

http://www.saabplanet.com/rebadged-saab-9-3-is-turkeys-new-national-car/

Which pretty much says the reason why Turkey "HAS" to go for electric is because there are no support from Carmakers on the combustion / conventional fossil fuel based car.

And I think it's unrealistic to think that Turkey can compete with other brands even if it's electric car because we don't have an established brand. And the amount Turkey invest in the R&D may seem a lot, but the real carmakers spend more on R&D.

I think it would have been better to take the 9-3 buy an engine blueprint and take it from there. Aim for best possible result (decent range and reliable).