Turkey’s planned domestic car will be electric-engine: Minister

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This is interesting, what are your thoughts on this EV from KKTC.

Also, most of what you lot are discussing was already explained by Fikri Isik in this interview... Saab Platform will not be used in final product, it was only used to test and evaluate Tubitaks EV technology.

 

[TheMightyBender]

I call BS on that mate. You can't build a brand on imaginary products. Why you may ask, and I'll point at Dacia, and thanks to Renault it's now a brand that's doing much better than ever.

You think Beko and Arcelik (Grundig) became famous overnight, or by releasing hot air ? No they had to deliver a product and keep on doing better, buy another brand (Grundig) and continue and promoting their goods. That takes years, so by postponing production of conventional fossil vehicle we gain what ? Nothing.

Another thing that'll doom the car project is all the hyped expectations. If the car can't compete with the best when it hits the market after all that cirkus act of bragging about it, ppl will go buy a BMW, Mercedes, VW, Seat.

Car business is not like washing machines. You can easily sell washing machines without a brand even. That is because people see cars as their life investments, one's car brand defines one.
Just look at Tesla, if they started with shitty cars they wouldn't get where they are now.

 

[Saithan]

Car business is not like washing machines. You can easily sell washing machines without a brand even. That is because people see cars as their life investments, one's car brand defines one.
Just look at Tesla, if they started with shitty cars they wouldn't get where they are now.

There is just one difference between Tesla and Turkeys Domestic Car, one of them is made by a genius who was already famous and the other is a wannabe.

 

[TheMightyBender]

There is just one difference between Tesla and Turkeys Domestic Car, one of them is made by a genius who was already famous and the other is a wannabe.

I don't believe in genius. And even if I do, Elon Musk is far from being one. If he took an IQ (i.e. formal measurement of genius) test he couldn't score more than 130. What makes you successful is not your IQ but your hard work and opportunities that you get.
Elon Musk is a risk taker and a hard worker. And people don't realize it but he was extremely lucky.

Anyhow, one other way of putting it is this:
One of them is made by one man, the other by a whole nation.

 

[Glass]

This is interesting, what are your thoughts on this EV from KKTC.

Also, most of what you lot are discussing was already explained by Fikri Isik in this interview... Saab Platform will not be used in final product, it was only used to test and evaluate Tubitaks EV technology.

Im curious about the vehicle design in 2019.

 

[Nurhak40]

its the body of a cadilacc

 

[Glass]

yeah, but if they mean it real with car they will give it a turkish influenced facelift.

 

[Nurhak40]

yeah, but if they mean it real with car they will give it a turkish influenced facelift.

check again i posted a comparision picture.

 

[what]

I said it before I say it again: why not start with domestic electric busses for example? Creating a car brand is harder than creating the car.

 

[xenon54 out]

I said it before I say it again: why not start with domestic electric busses for example? Creating a car brand is harder than creating the car.

The thing with busses is they are made for long distances be it city busses or coaches which is the exact opposite of what electric cars deliver.

If you lets say charge city busses on every stop while people get in then its maybe another story but this again will reduce battery life immensely since you get a lot charging cycles.

 

[Inspector Spacetime]

OK, seriously dude just read the articles and follow the links too.

http://www.saabplanet.com/turkish-minister-confirmed-we-bought-all-the-rights-to-the-saab-9-3/

Also follow up with

http://www.saabplanet.com/rebadged-saab-9-3-is-turkeys-new-national-car/

Which pretty much says the reason why Turkey "HAS" to go for electric is because there are no support from Carmakers on the combustion / conventional fossil fuel based car.

And I think it's unrealistic to think that Turkey can compete with other brands even if it's electric car because we don't have an established brand. And the amount Turkey invest in the R&D may seem a lot, but the real carmakers spend more on R&D.

I think it would have been better to take the 9-3 buy an engine blueprint and take it from there. Aim for best possible result (decent range and reliable).

The second link you provided says that 2 of the prototypes are electric (one of them having extra range) and one of them gasoline. And that both electrical and traditional fuel based models are being considered (maybe they dropped the conventional fuel since then though, I don't really know, as the recent article in the original post didn't mention it iirc).

The article mentions there was no support from carmakers, but that hasn't got anything to do with them going electric or not. They didn't have to go electric, but the reason they prefer electric is because with electric (because of it being new technology) they will be on more or less equal footing compared to the car manufacturers from around the world. So, they want to become competitive in this field in the future, in other words they want to be competitive in the electric car as well as electric engine market in the future.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

I said it before I say it again: why not start with domestic electric busses for example? Creating a car brand is harder than creating the car.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkey-unveils-its-first-fully-homegrown-electric-bus.465669/

They do exactly what you are demanding. It's the only logical way to approach.

Aselsan is already producing electric propulsion systems.

 

[Otonom Piyade]

I don't believe in genius. And even if I do, Elon Musk is far from being one. If he took an IQ (i.e. formal measurement of genius) test he couldn't score more than 130. What makes you successful is not your IQ but your hard work and opportunities that you get.
Elon Musk is a risk taker and a hard worker. And people don't realize it but he was extremely lucky.

Anyhow, one other way of putting it is this:
One of them is made by one man, the other by a whole nation.

Elon Musk companies are also aided by funds from the government. When Tesla building EV from Lotus vehicles, he received major kickbacks & funds from US government to kick start the current vehicles they are currently producing. Without US government fund involvement Tesla wouldn't have been where it is now.

 

[TopCat]

Dude, I see at least 3-7 Tesla when I drive on the highway, so yeah I know.

But the point is not whether we should invest in electric cars or not, but the fact that we can't even produce a conventional fossil fuel vehicle even after buying SAAB 9-3 blueprints.

After you're born, you learn to crawl, and then you learn to walk, then you learn to run. But we seem incapable of even doing the simplest of things.

Nooooo..... we should jump to something so sophisticated that only a few companies can make it. Fossil fuel vehicles are not going to disappear immediately, and at least not within the next 10-15 years. So I would have expected that learning and producing SAAB in the meantime would have been a good investment to gain knowhow and then take it from there.

Trying to skip out on some of these steps leads only to one thing, lack of knowhow, lack of manpower to realize ambitions. Behind every other rival in the market.

I imagine that with the SAAB 9-3 we'd get some kind of an engine, but perhaps I am wrong, but if we have the engine. Then it's catastrophic not to produce the car.

EV vehicle is much easier to make as you will not be making batteries but sourcing them from 3rd parties.
No transmission, no crank-shaft, no engine, it cant get anything better and simpler.
I am thinking of starting my own backyard project with composite fibers.

 

[Kiryu]

Right now electric cars are a niche market, but growing market and will eventually become as common as petrol cars are today. If Turkish companies want to be a player in this market then they need to get in now.
Not in 20 years or so when its controlled by European, East Asian and US car manufacturers. Then they will face the same problems they do now. A tight market, rivals with decades more experience, lack of brand awareness etc.