Turkey's Offensive In Syria: The US Falls Into A Trap Of Its Own Making

[xenon54 out]

Sirwan Kajjo is a Syrian-Kurdish Washington-based journalist and author.

Funny he says Turkey sees ypg as pkk's extension but makes it appear as if it was ungrounded while OB forces have been capturing öcalan posterts and pictures in ypg offices which was ofcourse not mentioned in a single word in his propaganda piece.

 

[Solomon2]

Funny he says Turkey sees ypg as pkk's extension but makes it appear as if it was ungrounded while OB forces have been capturing öcalan posterts and pictures in ypg offices which was ofcourse not mentioned in a single word in his propaganda piece.

Michael Totten has explained that this is because YPG adheres to Ocalan's prison writings on libertarian socialism, not his pre-prison PKK past:

...The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003 [Solomon2: 4 years after Ocalan's arrest in Kenya]. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else -

 

[TurkeyForever]

Anyone with a picture of öcalan is our enemy, period.

 

[Killuminati]

Michael Totten has explained that this is because YPG adheres to Ocalan's prison writings on libertarian socialism, not his pre-prison PKK past:

...The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003 [Solomon2: 4 years after Ocalan's arrest in Kenya]. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else -

Dude you really think you know better then our military experts that fighting more then 30 years with the pkk?

Have you ever read Ocalan's statement in the court?

 

[LegionnairE]

Russians are still in afrin area by tel rifaat. That’s why you haven’t moved in that area which would be logical thing to do, don’t you think? . However that area is open and regime allows Kurds move freely from manbij to afrin.
And you not blaming Russians for that
You not blaming regime for that
You not blaming Iranians for that.

At least Americans said-you leave our side we done supporting you. And we will hold our end of the bargain.

Of course it’s not. That’s why we don’t conduct any operation in Hasaka province by Iraqi border. Isis are useful idiots we need a pretext and we got it. We are in Syria for a long haul.
Your polls are full of patriotism now. Let’s see how patriotic Turks going to be after losing 500 soldiers. 1000 soldiers. It’s always flag waving hoopla at the beginning. Been there done that.
Your opinion towards us in turkey meaningless. Talk is cheap, and I am sure if I visit bodrum last thing locals ask me is why we have 30000 Border guards in Syria.

Some valid criticism mixed with assumptions. First we don't know if Russian troops are still in Tal Rifad.
I know I don't. Second we don't know if the Turkish HQ told them to leave Tal Rifad. Tal Rifad doesn't have contact with Turkish border, we're not within artillery range from there. So it's not a direct threat to Turkish towns. I don't know the reasoning but I can speculate that much. Manbij is clearly seen as the bigger problem.

No, you've said you would stop arming PYD, and now there's talk about a 550 million dollar budget for arming the YPG. You DID NOT hold your end of the bargain.

500-1000 we can take it. If we let them achieve their goals in Syria eventually they will cross the border and threaten us. It would be even better if we could destroy them before Americans are done arming them. They say Tillerson is coming to Turkey, we'll know what happens after that.

 

[WarDaddy97]

Some valid criticism mixed with assumptions. First we don't know if Russian troops are still in Tal Rifad.
I know I don't. Second we don't know if the Turkish HQ told them to leave Tal Rifad. Tal Rifad doesn't have contact with Turkish border, we're not within artillery range from there. So it's not a direct threat to Turkish towns. I don't know the reasoning but I can speculate that much. Manbij is clearly seen as the bigger problem.

No, you've said you would stop arming PYD, and now there's talk about a 550 million dollar budget for arming the YPG. You DID NOT hold your end of the bargain.

500-1000 we can take it. If we let them achieve their goals in Syria eventually they will cross the border and threaten us. It would be even better if we could destroy them before Americans are done arming them. They say Tillerson is coming to Turkey, we'll know what happens after that.

Those SDF that left our umbrella on the other side of Euphrates and manbij will lose our support. We said that clearly. Others that stay put will get financial and military support.
And yes there will 30000 border guards.
Americans never armed afrin kurds let’s not make things up. They received substantial support from loyals and as we witnessed recently Iran. Menagh and Tel Rifat were captured from rebels and commies received direct air support from RUAF/SUAF.
It’s appalling how Turkish propaganda works and how easily people get brainwashed
So since there is no threat to Turkish towns cutting tel rifat is not a priority? Lol. What about threat to your troops? How about you cut tel rifat partially and harass their supply lines on the ground? Send a message to them that the only road that connects them to outside world is about to be cut. Let’s see how fast civilians will run causing problems for regime.
Common sense bro, there are Russians in Rifat. Your HQ can’t tell them anything. That’s way above their pay grade.

 

[LegionnairE]

Those SDF that left our umbrella on the other side of Euphrates and manbij will lose our support. We said that clearly. Others that stay put will get financial and military support.
And yes there will 30000 border guards.
Americans never armed afrin kurds let’s not make things up. They received substantial support from loyals and as we witnessed recently Iran. Menagh and Tel Rifat were captured from rebels and commies received direct air support from RUAF/SUAF.
It’s appalling how Turkish propaganda works and how easily people get brainwashed
So since there is no threat to Turkish towns cutting tel rifat is not a priority? Lol. What about threat to your troops? How about you cut tel rifat partially and harass their supply lines on the ground? Send a message to them that the only road that connects them to outside world is about to be cut. Let’s see how fast civilians will run causing problems for regime.
Common sense bro, there are Russians in Rifat. Your HQ can’t tell them anything. That’s way above their pay grade.

Maybe they want YPG to flood to Afrin through Tal Rifad so we can kill them. Who knows. It's all speculation.

 

[xenon54 out]

Michael Totten has explained that this is because YPG adheres to Ocalan's prison writings on libertarian socialism, not his pre-prison PKK past:

...The YPG, though, didn’t even exist until 2003 [Solomon2: 4 years after Ocalan's arrest in Kenya]. It never went through a communist or a terrorist phase, and it takes its inspiration from the milder version Ocalan promoted after he mellowed in prison.

The YPG is asking for trouble by borrowing anything at all from Abdullah Ocalan, but it has never committed an act of terrorism in Syria or anywhere else, not even at a time when terrorist attacks are as routine as weather in Syria. So while, yes, the YPG and the PKK are ideologically linked, the Turkish government has never been able to identify a single act of terrorism the YPG has ever committed, not in Turkey, not in Syria, nor anywhere else -

Yeah right and those with Bahdadi pic want peace in the world.

 

[Solomon2]

Yeah right and those with Bahdadi pic want peace in the world.

Whereas you wish to create a land empty of Kurds - a desert - and call that "peace?"

 

[xenon54 out]

Whereas you wish to create a land empty of Kurds - a desert - and call that "peace?"

We have no problem with kurds, its about pkk.

 

[LegionnairE]

Whereas you wish to create a land empty of Kurds - a desert - and call that "peace?"

shut up jew
everyone can see through your demagoguery.

 

[Solomon2]

We have no problem with kurds, its about pkk.

If that's so then you should be able to link to stories about Kurds in Syria under Turkish occupation.

 

[LegionnairE]

If that's so then you should be able to link to stories about Kurds in Syria under Turkish occupation.

ridiculous.
you can't make good propaganda, therefore you're oppressing muh poor kurds.
Most kurds vote for Erdogan. Are you suggesting that kurds are dumb and are voting against their interests?

 

[xenon54 out]

If that's so then you should be able to link to stories about Kurds in Syria under Turkish occupation.

What Turkish occupation? Theres hardly any area under Turkish operation but you already started your tantrums.

 

[Solomon2]

What Turkish occupation? Theres hardly any area under Turkish operation -

You may want to review what you just wrote here to realize its implications.