Turkey's Erdogan warns Germany ahead of Armenian genocide vote

[-SINAN-]

I guess it does otherwise your President wouldn't be swearing and talking about consequences .Probably he knows better and your country will be judged only on the basis of what he has to say.

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-votes-...solution-amid-warnings-from-turkey/a-19299171

It's called reaction against slanders. Them recognizing the so called "armenian genocide" will change nothing.

 

[bsruzm]

Some people have selective bias. There are many people here on the forum that deny the Armanian Genocide and other otrocities committed by the Ottomans. Just as bad we have people on this forum denying the Holacaust,

"We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide."

Shimon Peres, (then) Nobel prize-winning Israeli Foreign Minister, (later) President as quoted in the April 10 2001

despite overwhelming evidence from victims, eye witnesses, photos, video, graves, official documents and even admissions from the perpetrators themselves.

Can you detail it? Use proper English, though.

 

[1971+]

It's called reaction against slanders. Them recognizing the so called "armenian genocide" will change nothing.

Either it's not as simple as you believe or may be I am wrong and your leader may be over reacting . When your leader talks of consequence, I guess it's just empty banter.It just doesn't need any attention, might have been ignored.

And anyway I guess migrant deal wasn't going threw and now you can unleash waves of refugees on Europe but apparently no visa-free EU tours for you folks .

 

[-SINAN-]

Either it's not as simple as you believe or may be I am wrong and your leader may be over reacting . When your leader talks of consequence, I guess it's just empty banter.It just doesn't need any attention, might have been ignored.

And anyway I guess migrant deal wasn't going threw and now you can unleash waves of refugees on Europe but apparently no visa-free EU tours for you folks .

And that changes......nothing.

About consequences....excluding Germany from huge projects and defense system acquisitions are the first thing to cross my mind.

 

[ptldM3]

"We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide."

You just quoted a Jewish politician with zero authority on the mater. Pretty pathetic, I assume you would also believe him when he says Jews don't mistreat Palestinians? This would equate to someone quoting Erdogan or some other lunatic and using that as proof. Look Erdogan said the Holacaust never happened, it must be true.

Most historians from around the world esspecially ones that specialize in the subject of the 'Armenian Genocide' will agree it is a real thing.

Can you detail it? Use proper English, though.

You never seen photos or videos of Auschwitz or its victims? You never heard of the Neirinburg trials in which the allies of ww2 tried nazis for war crimes? You haven't seen news of former SS guards being arrested and admitting their crimes, what about testimony from people in concentration camps (including Russian, English, French British soldiers)? Many none Jews from around the world were also imprisoned along with the Jews, again you never heard of this? You never heard of allied armies liberating concentration camps? What about mass graves? Or even German documents of the time ordering extermination of certain people.

Same thing with the Armenian genocide. Mass graves, testimony from victims, testimony from other eye witnesses, Russian, English, ect.

 

[1971+]

Finally it's unanimously passed with one vote against it and one abstention.

http://dw.com/en/german-bundestag-p...man-era-armenian-killings-genocide/a-19299936

About consequences....excluding Germany from huge projects and defense system acquisitions are the first thing to cross my mind.

May be there are more things to do in your President's mind.

 

[-SINAN-]

May be there are more things to do in your President's mind.

He said, this will affect our political, economic, trade and military relations with Germany. But, i don't think anything severe will happen...as i said their decision only bounds themselves. Doesn't affect us in anyway.

Same thing with the Armenian genocide. Mass graves, testimony from victims, testimony from other eye witnesses, Russian, English, ect.

Yet when we say let's form an international board from archaeologists, historians, political scientists, lawyers. Both Turkey and Armenia should open their archives and accept archives from third countries. The board should inspect and make a decision on the subject. If Turkey found guilty, we are ready to face our history....

Yet, Armenia always backs away from this....why ?

 

[bsruzm]

You just quoted a Jewish politician with zero authority on the mater. Pretty pathetic

I think he has as much authority as German lawmakers on matter.

German lawmakers are expected to pass the resolution on Thursday

You never seen photos or videos of Auschwitz or its victims? You never heard of the Neirinburg trials in which the allies of ww2 tried nazis for war crimes?

Yes, I've seen a lot of documents, recordings and photos about the Holocaust, and I do not deny it.

Same thing with the Armenian genocide. Mass graves, testimony from victims, testimony from other eye witnesses, Russian, English, ect.

It isn't the same thing as I haven't seen anything like the Holocaust on matter, instead I've seen these:

"The Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim population of Russian Armenia as Muslims were considered inferior to the Armenians by the prominent leaders of the Dashnaks," Sahak Melkonian wrote (in "Preserving the Armenian Purity," 1920): "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul."

I haven't seen any Jew writing such thing about German people or commit terrorism against women and children of German people or against Jews who oppose terrorism. You confuse Russian backed Armenian terrorism with innocent Jews of the Nazi Germany. I doubt you hold any knowledge on matter and yet you accuse us with selective bias.

Unlike what Sahak Melkonian admits, there are still a huge number of Turkish Armenian's exist in Turkey. As like Markar Esayan:

Turkish-Armenian deputy Markar Esayan among the new names in AK Party ruling board

Beside those a hundred thousand Armenian migrants from Armenia, who illegally work in Turkey and do low-skilled jobs such as cleaning.

 

[aakash_2410]

I´m a facist and look totally like evry other italian.

Although I agree with most of your views being a far-right facist is too much. The last time Italy had Facist party at the power, it didn't end too well for them.

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

Turks should be punished BY WHOLE WORLD TOGETHER for Armenian genocide !

 

[MarkusS]

Its great that it went through that powerful. Only one no vote and one who didn´t vote at all.

Also i dont understand why turkey wents mad about this? Germany worked with the turks back then. The germans called it a genocide back then and even reported it to their emperor Wilhelm II. They now say they share guilt for it as well because they allowed it to happen.

Does turkey now try to dictate germany how to view its own history?

Its also a big splash against Erdogan. He tried to bully the EU and got the finger from germany.

Beside that, laws in italy are much harsher. While germany made a resolution, italy punishs anyone who denies the armenian genocide with up to 3 years prison.

 

[TMA]

Its great that it went through that powerful. Only one no vote and one who didn´t vote at all.

Also i dont understand why turkey wents mad about this? Germany worked with the turks back then. The germans called it a genocide back then and even reported it to their emperor Wilhelm II. They now say they share guilt for it as well because they allowed it to happen.

Does turkey now try to dictate germany how to view its own history?

Its also a big splash against Erdogan. He tried to bully the EU and got the finger from germany.

Beside that, laws in italy are much harsher. While germany made a resolution, italy punishs anyone who denies the armenian genocide with up to 3 years prison.

So there is no freedom of expression in Italy?

 

[flamer84]

So there is no freedom of expression in Italy?

It is but not freedom to cheer for criminals who commited genocide.

 

[waz]

Thats democracy at work here. It will pass tomorrow and Turkey has to live with it.

Italy goes even further. If you denie the armenian genocide you face 3 years prison time in italy.

I don't really care about who recognises what but what happened to freedom of speech.

 

[friendly_troll96]

But..but erdogan seems to care. That's why he is antagonizing the most important member of EU where he aspire to be included.

Whether we have romance or enmity with india have nothing to do with pakistan getting away with genocide.

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