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Turkey Widens War Tech Hunt by Tapping Pakistan’s China Ties
Selcan HacaogluMarch 2, 2021, 5:32 AM EST
  • Pakistan makes jets with China, said to use its missile design
Turkey is pushing to co-manufacture warplanes and missiles with Pakistan, a hookup that could also give it access to prized war technology from China.

Turkish defense and government officials have held periodic talks with Pakistani counterparts -- the last high-level discussion was in January -- about developing and manufacturing military hardware with Pakistan, according to people from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations. The people didn’t say when they’ll meet again or how close they are to an agreement.


A deal would get NATO-member Turkey closer to some of China’s military technology. Pakistan builds its JF-17 fighter jets with China and is said to have adapted Chinese designs for its Shaheen ballistic missile.

Turkey sees nuclear power Pakistan as a strategic ally and potential partner in building its Siper long-range missile-defense project and TF-X fighter jet, the people familiar said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss strategic goals. The people didn’t say whether the talks have gotten to the point of seeking Beijing’s consent to share Chinese defense technology.

Asked about restrictions imposed on weapons exports, China’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday that the Chinese government “has always adopted a prudent and responsible attitude in the export of military products and strictly implements China’s military export management laws and regulations as well as its international duties.”


Pakistan Looks to Aviation in Ambitious Defense Export Push

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has hailed “very serious potential” for collaboration with Pakistan on defense projects, and top defense officials have met in recent months. Pakistani Defense Secretary Mian Muhammad Hilal Hussain met with top Turkish officials including Defense Minister Hulusi Akar in December, and discussed defense industry cooperation, the people familiar said. Akar has also met with Pakistan’s defense minister, military chief and air force chief, and accompanied Erdogan on a visit to Pakistan over the past year.

The countries already have some cooperation in the defense industry, including co-producing warships Turkey has sold Pakistan.


Turkish adoption of Chinese military technology could cause new frictions with the U.S., which would be loath to see Ankara move further away from the western military alliance. Washington is already sanctioning Turkey for buying a missile-defense system from Russia, and has suspended Turkish companies from participating in the development of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The Turkish officials who spoke on the contacts with Pakistan said the outreach meshes with Ankara’s aspiration to become a power center in an increasingly multipolar world.

Why Russian Missiles Divide Turkey and the U.S.: QuickTake


Turkey signed the S-400 deal with Russia two years after it scrapped plans to buy a Chinese missile defense system, under pressure from the U.S. Ankara is now negotiating a potential purchase of a second S-400 system, and a co-production deal with Moscow.

— With assistance by Faseeh Mangi, and Lucille Liu

(Updates with statement from Chinese Foreign Ministry in fifth paragraph)
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
 
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Turkey Widens War Tech Hunt by Tapping Pakistan’s China Ties
Selcan HacaogluMarch 2, 2021, 5:32 AM EST
  • Pakistan makes jets with China, said to use its missile design
Turkey is pushing to co-manufacture warplanes and missiles with Pakistan, a hookup that could also give it access to prized war technology from China.

Turkish defense and government officials have held periodic talks with Pakistani counterparts -- the last high-level discussion was in January -- about developing and manufacturing military hardware with Pakistan, according to people from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations. The people didn’t say when they’ll meet again or how close they are to an agreement.


A deal would get NATO-member Turkey closer to some of China’s military technology. Pakistan builds its JF-17 fighter jets with China and is said to have adapted Chinese designs for its Shaheen ballistic missile.

Turkey sees nuclear power Pakistan as a strategic ally and potential partner in building its Siper long-range missile-defense project and TF-X fighter jet, the people familiar said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss strategic goals. The people didn’t say whether the talks have gotten to the point of seeking Beijing’s consent to share Chinese defense technology.

Asked about restrictions imposed on weapons exports, China’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday that the Chinese government “has always adopted a prudent and responsible attitude in the export of military products and strictly implements China’s military export management laws and regulations as well as its international duties.”


Pakistan Looks to Aviation in Ambitious Defense Export Push

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has hailed “very serious potential” for collaboration with Pakistan on defense projects, and top defense officials have met in recent months. Pakistani Defense Secretary Mian Muhammad Hilal Hussain met with top Turkish officials including Defense Minister Hulusi Akar in December, and discussed defense industry cooperation, the people familiar said. Akar has also met with Pakistan’s defense minister, military chief and air force chief, and accompanied Erdogan on a visit to Pakistan over the past year.

The countries already have some cooperation in the defense industry, including co-producing warships Turkey has sold Pakistan.


Turkish adoption of Chinese military technology could cause new frictions with the U.S., which would be loath to see Ankara move further away from the western military alliance. Washington is already sanctioning Turkey for buying a missile-defense system from Russia, and has suspended Turkish companies from participating in the development of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The Turkish officials who spoke on the contacts with Pakistan said the outreach meshes with Ankara’s aspiration to become a power center in an increasingly multipolar world.

Why Russian Missiles Divide Turkey and the U.S.: QuickTake


Turkey signed the S-400 deal with Russia two years after it scrapped plans to buy a Chinese missile defense system, under pressure from the U.S. Ankara is now negotiating a potential purchase of a second S-400 system, and a co-production deal with Moscow.

— With assistance by Faseeh Mangi, and Lucille Liu

(Updates with statement from Chinese Foreign Ministry in fifth paragraph)
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
I have maintained persistently that Turkey and Pakistan remain the most natural allies you can think of. With the doors to EU and US slowly closing in on Turkey, they have a need to diversify and procure technology from other sources while they develop their own infrastructure. The Chinese will not mind this too much as it gives them insight into Western products and their methodologies in building which Turkey is aware o. Pakistan can sit in the mddle and be a conduit for all these transfers, and allows it to pick up part manufacturing contracts from Turkey. I think it is a win win situation for all parties concerned. It will have to be dealt with deftly by our Turkish brothers as US and EU will not appreciate Chinese taking a peak at Western equipment.
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Turkey Widens War Tech Hunt by Tapping Pakistan’s China Ties
Selcan HacaogluMarch 2, 2021, 5:32 AM EST
  • Pakistan makes jets with China, said to use its missile design
Turkey is pushing to co-manufacture warplanes and missiles with Pakistan, a hookup that could also give it access to prized war technology from China.

Turkish defense and government officials have held periodic talks with Pakistani counterparts -- the last high-level discussion was in January -- about developing and manufacturing military hardware with Pakistan, according to people from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations. The people didn’t say when they’ll meet again or how close they are to an agreement.


A deal would get NATO-member Turkey closer to some of China’s military technology. Pakistan builds its JF-17 fighter jets with China and is said to have adapted Chinese designs for its Shaheen ballistic missile.

Turkey sees nuclear power Pakistan as a strategic ally and potential partner in building its Siper long-range missile-defense project and TF-X fighter jet, the people familiar said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss strategic goals. The people didn’t say whether the talks have gotten to the point of seeking Beijing’s consent to share Chinese defense technology.

Asked about restrictions imposed on weapons exports, China’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday that the Chinese government “has always adopted a prudent and responsible attitude in the export of military products and strictly implements China’s military export management laws and regulations as well as its international duties.”


Pakistan Looks to Aviation in Ambitious Defense Export Push

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has hailed “very serious potential” for collaboration with Pakistan on defense projects, and top defense officials have met in recent months. Pakistani Defense Secretary Mian Muhammad Hilal Hussain met with top Turkish officials including Defense Minister Hulusi Akar in December, and discussed defense industry cooperation, the people familiar said. Akar has also met with Pakistan’s defense minister, military chief and air force chief, and accompanied Erdogan on a visit to Pakistan over the past year.

The countries already have some cooperation in the defense industry, including co-producing warships Turkey has sold Pakistan.


Turkish adoption of Chinese military technology could cause new frictions with the U.S., which would be loath to see Ankara move further away from the western military alliance. Washington is already sanctioning Turkey for buying a missile-defense system from Russia, and has suspended Turkish companies from participating in the development of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The Turkish officials who spoke on the contacts with Pakistan said the outreach meshes with Ankara’s aspiration to become a power center in an increasingly multipolar world.

Why Russian Missiles Divide Turkey and the U.S.: QuickTake


Turkey signed the S-400 deal with Russia two years after it scrapped plans to buy a Chinese missile defense system, under pressure from the U.S. Ankara is now negotiating a potential purchase of a second S-400 system, and a co-production deal with Moscow.

— With assistance by Faseeh Mangi, and Lucille Liu

(Updates with statement from Chinese Foreign Ministry in fifth paragraph)
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
Can you guys imagine if AZM turns out being the TFX with WS-10? @JamD @SQ8 and -- so we have someone throwing cold water -- @Deino Maybe we should move this to the Pakistan Navy forum and see if the wishing well can do its magic...
 
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Both Pakistan and Turkey lack certain capabilities in fighter development. I personally believe that we open our eyes and bot countries go for F 31 from China. with TOT particularly in case of engine.

Both can keep their own programs running parallel with acquisition J31.
 
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Both Pakistan and Turkey lack certain capabilities in fighter development. I personally believe that we open our eyes and bot countries go for F 31 from China. with TOT particularly in case of engine.

Both can keep their own programs running parallel with acquisition J31.
J31 is not ready for anyone to realistically get it. It would require further investment to convert prototype to a functioning platform.. PAF has been playing the waiting game with the Chinese to let them invest the money before it will say YES or NO. The Chinese till now have not blinked which is the reason why there has been no progress beyond the 2(possibly 3) prototypes.
The problem is estimating what the sunk costs are likely to be and how it would impact on the prospective local programmes. The other issue is the engine for a fifth generation platform. There is no engine in China yet which would power this platform. So we may have a platform but no engine. So how does one run with such a platform. RD93s which are currently being use for the prototypes are not suitable for such a venture.
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Both Pakistan and Turkey lack certain capabilities in fighter development. I personally believe that we open our eyes and bot countries go for F 31 from China. with TOT particularly in case of engine.

Both can keep their own programs running parallel with acquisition J31.

I don't think Turkey lacks anything of knowledge the TFx is almost finished plus it is to early to rule anyone out but I don't think only fighter jets are on the menu here but all sorts of tech developments
 
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I have maintained persistently that Turkey and Pakistan remain the most natural allies you can think of. With the doors to EU and US slowly closing in on Turkey, they have a need to diversify and procure technology from other sources while they develop their own infrastructure. The Chinese will not mind this too much as it gives them insight into Western products and their methodologies in building which Turkey is aware o. Pakistan can sit in the mddle and be a conduit for all these transfers, and allows it to pick up part manufacturing contracts from Turkey. I think it is a win win situation for all parties concerned. It will have to be dealt with deftly by our Turkish brothers as US and EU will not appreciate Chinese taking a peak at Western equipment.
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Good good. But when will turkey cuttoff nato?
 
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Can you guys imagine if AZM turns out being the TFX with WS-10? @JamD @SQ8 and -- so we have someone throwing cold water -- @Deino Maybe we should move this to the Pakistan Navy forum and see if the wishing well can do its magic...
An idara friend said he was offered and is seriously considering an extended posting to Turkey for project Azm. Not sure if it's just for training or some kind of collaboration.
 
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Turkey is far ahead than Pakistan but still is unable to develop a full fighter with home grown engine. we must not get carried away. And keep our self on ground. Both countries need foreign help other wise it will take some long time to get a decent fighter up and running.
 
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Turkey is far ahead than Pakistan but still is unable to develop a full fighter with home grown engine. we must not get carried away. And keep our self on ground. Both countries need foreign help other wise it will take some long time to get a decent fighter up and running.

I have been hearing this nonsense from the odd 1 or 2 posters. We are not living in the 1960s this is the 2020s. Things not possible back then are possible today at much faster rate. The TFx is almost completed.

There is a famous saying: where there's a will there's a way
 
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I have been hearing this nonsense from the odd 1 or 2 posters. We are not living in the 1960s this is the 2020s. Things not possible back then are possible today at much faster rate. The TFx is almost completed.

There is a famous saying: where there's a will there's a way
well dear to you it may be nonsense but reality is we are not getting T 129 from Turkey. despite the fact we are living in 2020 and its all possible but yet can't get the dam engine. so better keep our heads below the cloud
 
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Turkey is far ahead than Pakistan but still is unable to develop a full fighter with home grown engine. we must not get carried away. And keep our self on ground. Both countries need foreign help other wise it will take some long time to get a decent fighter up and running.
You develop what you need they developed engine for T129 if they needed a 4 gen with engine they could have done easily..
 
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well dear to you it may be nonsense but reality is we are not getting T 129 from Turkey. despite the fact we are living in 2020 and its all possible but yet can't get the dam engine. so better keep our heads below the cloud

T129 is in service tho entered service since 2014.. I am not sure what you are talking about. atleast do your homework properly when trying to come off smart. There is approx 59 build T129 in operation today
 
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