Turkey to Send Troops to Libya at Tripoli's Request, Erdogan Says

[IblinI]

We 'most likely' will project it to China one day, and we 'most likely' won't be alone. Now, cry somewhere else for your ignorance.

I see suggestion from his post but total ignorance from yours. Turkey with not that health economy ( I am trying to be nice to not say disaster) is going all out is positive for your nation?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Libya has a sovereign government that makes decisions for that country. Any party who has the best interest of Libya at heart should be supporting that government in order to build state institutions. Turkey and other parties who are supporting the GNA are actually on the right side of history.

That's selective, Syria also has a sovereign gov yet Turkey has been sponsoring every group against it since 2011.

Right side of history lol

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

That's selective, Syria also has a sovereign gov yet Turkey has been sponsoring every group against it since 2011.

Right side of history lol

I think you missed my point: I advocated for every country to help the Libyan government in order to build state institutions. Once the state institutions are strong in Libya, including capable security forces, then the national aspirations of Libyan people will be realized. The reasons why you have warlords, ISIS, and different militias roaming the country is because after the Qaddafi was overthrown, the state of Libya has collapsed, and the forces who invaded and supported the insurrection didn't care about what comes afterwards.

Let us not forget that many of the countries - who are against the current government of Libya - were also very supportive of the war against Libya that overthrew that country's ruler in 2011. For the countries who are opposing the current GNA government, where was the concern for the Libyan people when their legitimate government was overthrown through brute force, their country destroyed, and chaos was fully imposed?

Everything else is an excuse. The countries who are opposing the GNA government are clearly working for foreign powers who see their interest at the continuation of anarchy and Chaos in Libya. Let us not lose sight in the fact that while chaos reigns, the Libyan oil and other resources are looted by the same forces who overthrew the legitimate government of Libya and currently oppose the #GNA.

 

[Beast]

I think you missed my point: I advocated for every country to help the Libyan government in order to build state institutions. Once the state institutions are strong in Libya, including capable security forces, then the national aspirations of Libyan people will be realized. The reasons why you have warlords, ISIS, and different militias roaming the country is because after the Qaddafi was overthrown, the state of Libya has collapsed, and the forces who invaded and supported the insurrection didn't care about what comes afterwards.

Let us not forget that many of the countries - who are against the current government of Libya - were also very supportive of the war against Libya that overthrew that country's ruler in 2011. For the countries who are opposing the current GNA government, where was the concern for the Libyan people when their legitimate government was overthrown through brute force, their country destroyed, and chaos was fully imposed?

Everything else is an excuse. The countries who are opposing the GNA government are clearly working for foreign powers who see their interest at the continuation of anarchy and Chaos in Libya. Let us not lose sight in the fact that while chaos reigns, the Libyan oil and other resources are looted by the same forces who overthrew the legitimate government of Libya and currently oppose the #GNA.

GNA is corrupted that they are voted out in last election but they refused to do so. How can a corrupted government represent libya? All the money donated to help Libya ended up in their pockets. They occupied a small portion of Libya, you really think most Libyan really supported this organisation? UN recognised is just a name tag only.. You think UN really know who is right and who is wrong?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

UN recognition is nothing but a legislative matter which is tied to the capital city of a country.
in Yemen, Aden has been made the capital city due to the same legislative reasons.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

GNA is corrupted that they are voted out in last election but they refused to do so. How can a corrupted government represent libya? All the money donated to help Libya ended up in their pockets. They occupied a small portion of Libya, you really think most Libyan really supported this organisation? UN recognised is just a name tag only.. You think UN really know who is right and who is wrong?

Having a government is a good start and it is better than no government. Besides, any country that went through state collapse usually experiences corruption due to the lack of strong state institutions. This is why opposing this government, especially one that comes from Arab and Muslim world, is really madness. The alternative is the chaos reigning.

So the solution should be working with this government, building the military and intelligence, and giving it a benchmark to deal with corruption. Hopefully, there'll be a future unity government that brings the LNA into the fold. However, supporting and backing military aid to Haftar-led forces is one that is designed to deny Libya from having a stable government or actually no government at all, and there are powers who want the chaos while they loot the Libya's natural resources.

With respect to your question about many Libyans not supporting the GNA, well it exists on the ground and defended itself from Haftar-led forces at this point. So if it doesn't have a support, how does it exist at this point?

 

[Beast]

Having a government is a good start and it is better than no government. Besides, any country that went through state collapse usually experiences corruption due to the lack of strong state institutions. This is why opposing this government, especially one that comes from Arab and Muslim world, is really madness. The alternative is the chaos reigning.

So the solution should be working with this government, building the military and intelligence, and giving it a benchmark to deal with corruption. Hopefully, there'll be a future unity government that brings the LNA into the fold. However, supporting and backing military aid to Haftar-led forces is one that is designed to deny Libya from having a stable government.

With respect to your question about many Libyans not supporting the GNA, well it exists on the ground and defended itself from Haftar-led forces at this point. So if it doesn't have a support, how does it exist at this point?

Hatfar with more supported can rebuild Libya too, why GNA? Just becos of UN endorsed? These GNA pocket money for themselves and you expect them to do any meaningful thing for Libyan?

 

[Brutas]

Interesting development. Turkey under Erdogan has aligned strategically with Iran-Qatar in Mideast to counter Saudi-Israel nexus. In North Africa it's aligning with Libya-Tunisia-Algeria(Probably ?) to counter Greco-Egyptian overture in Eastern Mediterranean. In Central Asia-Caucasus-Balkan it's already a major player. Legacy of Turkish imperial past seems is still alive in 21st century....

 

[Old School]

Turkish troops should have there long ago before Haftar become too strong.

 

[damm1t]

That's selective, Syria also has a sovereign gov

When Assad went full crazy and started killing his people he lost his legitimacy forever. Another thing that differs Syria from Libya, we share a 900 km border with Syria. A humanitarian crisis and a civil war in neighbor directly a matter of concern for our national security. As a third, PKK/YPG terror group is active in Syria when Assad was busy with some other things. In past father Assad also let them stay in Syria.

 

[cabatli_53]

A moderator used name calling when things don't go his way? How is that a moderator who behave or abuse his power?

@WebMaster

Is there special rules where Chinese are not allowed to comment on this thread? How I am a troll when I kindly remind an Indonesian who thinks he knows better than egyptians about the Libya war and their country stance?

How am I a troll when I kindly point out the difficulty of Turkish trying an overseas ops with possibility of Egypt sending a huge column of armour and army to back LNA since they are just beside Libya?

More like nationalistic members of some particular country delude themselves and think they are really superpower that can project power far from shore like US.

Troll, Do not put your nose into the subject you don’t have any idea or at least do no pretend as if you have an idea to judge the sides with your zero logic because what you are going to tell is already being predicted by all Turkish members. In strategic affair section of forum, I read your bashing comments regarding Turkiye in a matter about Pakistan. When I check Pakistani Navy section, I see you talking bad about Turkiye. Same in Pakistani Army section, Pakistani defense industry section. You are coming here again to talk bad with same rude behaviors. How can a state be wrong in all matters you mention ? I know the reason of your obsession about Turks but Maybe new members don’t have any idea about what is the purpose of your desperate action in this forum so When someone put a light on your real face, stop crying.

 

[Amun]

Libya has a sovereign government that makes decisions for that country. Any party who has the best interest of Libya at heart should be supporting that government in order to build state institutions. Turkey and other parties who are supporting the GNA are actually on the right side of history.

So ... who can judge that is the right side of history or not ....!?
Can you....?!
The choices of the Libyan people are the right side of the history ( Libyan elected Parliament) ....
And the traitors (just like the Militia in Tripoli) will be cursed for their betrayal just like Khair Beek who is a traitor who betrayed the Egyptian Army in the battle of MARG DABIK in 1516 with the Osman invaders.... he is still being Cursed till now.

 

[Glass]

I see suggestion from his post but total ignorance from yours. Turkey with not that health economy ( I am trying to be nice to not say disaster) is going all out is positive for your nation?

It is, since the gas which roams around the Mediterranean is money for the economy, if turkey doesnt get involved it could get more difficult to extract that gas without libya and tr economy is back on growth btw

 

[Nike]

If the Kurdish problem "wake up" Iraq and push her to grow/take a place in the region then I'm all for it...
But as of today... Iraqis in general seems to not care about it...yet to the point of making their core "waking call"...

Same for Turkey per exemple... if those meddling and their regional game can wake them up even more then I'm all for it... I'm per exemple against the NAtionalist Idea of staying behind your borders... when you are a force that could wake other muslims in the region...
Look at the Muslim in the region... They had to wait for Erdogan few years of policies to finally moving their Asses... but still it's not enough...
Same for Iran... if that could push the GCC/Iraq to grow/wake up then I'm all for it...
Same for Pakistan... If they need another conflict in India or China or whatever to spread their wings beyond their borders... I'm all for it... Same for South Asian countries, like Malaysia/Indonesia... who to my taste are abit to passive/asleep... So yes I will encourage China to tickle them even more in the south China sea to maybe push them to wake up... Same for Egypt if Libya and TR is a way to wake up... let's go... Same for the Maghreb region...

Waking up is the duty to Unit and if Unity fail then push for Expansion.

Thats why Malaysia economy is thrieving and Indonesia become the first to reach trillion US dollar economy treshold

 

[IblinI]

tr economy is back on growth btw

Let's see how things envovle and I wouldn't celebrate if I were you, taking only two years to drop from 7% to negative is unimaginable, back to positive is merely a small step, long way ahead.