Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

[-SINAN-]

On the subject....i don't know why my people are getting hyped with these people's comments....their ancestors were shit and they are still shit today...so, why should we even care the words of these people ?

Move on.

 

[Rukarl]

Does the leadership of Saudi Arabia have a problem with Erdogan ?

 

[Trango Towers]

While my ancestors were busy defending Medina, you impudent man, what were your ancestors doing

Check mate I think

Does the leadership of Saudi Arabia have a problem with Erdogan ?

Yes he isn't their puppet

 

[Falcon29]

If Ergodan called a jihad millions of non Turks would follow him to the end

For most issues plaguing Muslim world, jihad is not needed. It's simply misuse of religion, insincerity, ego, little fear of God, worldly attachment, etc... and many other character flaws that make the situation as it is. Remember our goal as Muslims isn't to become powerful and great. If people think purpose of Islam is to become great and arrogant with no sincere devotion to God and helping mankind, then they are in for a rude awakening. I want nothing to do with such 'greatness'. Look at the Prophet's over and over again, and from them and Allah will you understand greatness.

Biggest racists are Arabs here. They are the only ones who keep chatting crap about dna etc.

You haven’t seen the racist rants by the Arabs against Iranian, Turkish and Pakistani members? Works both ways, Arabs should stop trying to rewrite there no existent history which most was under foreign occupation.

You are so childish man that unfortunately I don't see point in responding to you.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Heres the difference between Fahreddin Pasha, he is the one who disobeyed orders and defended Medina to the very last end, like his counterparts in Syria and Palestine while the ancestors of the UAE & Saudi Nadji brotherhood traitors and the British masters were destroying Muslim lives and heritage across the middle east.

Turks ruled Arabia and Arabs for some 800+ years, they had plenty of time to "steal" Islamic relics, this move was clearly to protect these monuments from the savage desert dwellers who would have had destroyed them like they did to every inch of Mecca and Medina turning it into Las Vegas.

As Turks or Ottomans our mistake was we were to lenient on these Arabs, they would get the first share of charity and taxation money while Anatolia and Balkans had to bare the consequences of keeping a dying empire alive.
If Turks were to oppress Arabs like the French, Italians & British did they would be speaking Turkish already today.

390 years (of parts of the Arab world not even the majority) becomes 800 years? Arabs ruled Central Asia for more than 400 years and parts of Anatolia for a similar time period. Thus your ancestors. You were used as actual slaves and eunuchs by not only Arabs but numerous Muslims as I already proved.

Arabic (a superior language, a much older language, the language of Islam and much more widely spoken language) would be replaced by Turkish - a language only spoken in Turkey to this day? What kind of sad joke is this?

In reality Ottoman Turkish was more Arabic than Turkish. I can read and understand 80% (at least) when reading a Ottoman Turkish newspaper while you would not be able to understand it despite having 1000's upon 1000's of Arabic loanwords (more than any other foreign language) to this day in your language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

The influence went the other way around. Everybody knows about this. Including sane Turks. They even write this publicly.

BTW you did not rule anything as you are a conquered people as DNA already has proven ages ago. You cannot hide from this fact. Arabs were the majority in Ottoman times and played a key role on every front. The second you pissed off Arabs (who "gave" you the Caliphate in 1517) this became your end. Arabic culture was as influential as Turkish by all accounts. Evident of Ottoman Turkish and the script itself.

Özay Mehmet wrote in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery:[28]

“ The ordinary Turks [Turkmen, or Yörüks] did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "In the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended." (Davey 1907: 209)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

 

[damm1t]

While my ancestors were busy defending Medina, you impudent man, what were your ancestors doing

I know the answer. They were negotiaiting with British about who will get bigger piece of cake if they uprise against the Turks.. Another word, they were selling their honor, belief for being a puppet state of the West.

 

[Rasengan]

@TurkeyForever

Don't know what's wrong with you but I'm far from naive. You must be watching some Imran Hosein videos....

You love to presume things, but for your kind information, I don't follow or even like Imran Hossein. Please try harder next time Brother. The Arab leaders have become slaves, not to Allah and his cause, but to the Zionist who have a leash around their necks.

 

[tesla]

Keep barking and posting some photos of Afro-Arabs in the middle of nowhere somewhere in Yemen while posting a photo of the middle of Istanbul built by Europeans featuring Western built cars and roads and people wearing Western clothes. Turkish contribution to this? A big fat zero.

This is Makkah from the 1920's



Let me try again.

You are the off-spring of Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Semites, Iranians, Kurds and others. Afro-Turks too. Last past few centuries (1-2) with Bosnian, Albanian, Bulgarian and Circassian/Caucasian in general (all the light-skinned people) arrivals. A few 1000 Turkish steppe nomads slaughtered your people and Turkified you and later Arabized and Islamized you as confirmed by DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

That is your history. Before that you were ruled by Arabs and used as slaves and eunuchs by Arabs and other Muslims from the Arab world to South Asia. Unlike Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_slaves_in_the_Delhi_Sultanate

Even the elite Ottomans considered Turk an insult as I showed you.

There is not a more deluded and self-lying people in the region. Even after the era of genetics you have Middle Eastern looking Turks claiming that they descend from 1.6 meter tall Turkic steppe nomads from Kyrgyzstan.





Speaking the language of conquerors and following the religion of conquerors and you dare to talk about masters. Your entire worldview is a huge big lie that history and now DNA shatters to pieces.

No fucking wonder that your likes are extremely deluded. I would be too if I was one of you.

No other examples of such delusion expect for maybe Eastern European Jews claiming that they are direct descendants of Semites and 100 % Semitic.

Lastly don't project your own feelings about being a fake Turk on others.

Now go cry forever.

So either you get lost and stop trying to get the attention of Arabs on this forum or I will single-handedly deal with you as usual. In short know your place. There is one small Turkey (3 times smaller than KSA and with a 20 million smaller population than 1 single Arab country - Egypt, and with a Kurdish population of 20 million) and then there are 500 million Arabs spread on 20 + Arab countries on two continents the size of almost all of Russia combined. So keep barking. UAE and Qatar combined have a economy (GDP) almost as big as that of 80 million Turkey. Get off your high horse.

Saving this post for the future and on other forums in case similar barking likes of you ever appear again.

you are nice a prototype that make a fool of yourself again again again ... congrats

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

390 years (of parts of the Arab world not even the majority) becomes 800 years? Arabs ruled Central Asia for more than 400 years and parts of Anatolia for a similar time period. Thus your ancestors. And you were used as actual slaves and eunuchs by not only Arabs but numerous Muslims as I already proved.

Arabic (a superior language, a much older language, the language of Islam and much more widely spoken language) would be replaced by Turkish - a language only spoken in Turkey to this day? What kind of sad joke is this?

In reality Ottoman Turkish was more Arabic than Turkish. I can read and understand 80% (at least) when reading a Ottoman Turkish newspaper while you would not be able to understand it despite having 1000's upon 1000's of Arabic loanwords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

The influence went the other way around.

BTW you did not rule anything as you are a conquered people as DNA already has proven ages ago. You cannot hide from this fact. Arabs were the majority in Ottoman times and played a role on every front. Arabic culture was as influential as Turkish by all accounts. Evident of Ottoman Turkish and the script itself.

Off topic again by a racist Arab troll, how many times you been reported by every member for racism I’m surprised the mods tolerate you with your multiple accounts.

Typical racist Arab, talk about dna, language, you think your pure? You been invaded by everyone from the Greeks, Persians to the Turks, British and French.

You didn’t rule Turks and know it, just make up crap about Anatolia when Turks did not even live there that’s how low you are.

Arabs did not rule anywhere we’re Turks existed, Greeks ruled Anatolia once, so did Persians, so did Arabs until the Turks made pyramids of skulls in your lands. As for Central Asia in was inhabited by Persian speaking people, even they resisted and revolted against you savages for years.

Are you going to allow this troll to ruin every thread or is it ok when Arabs are racist here? @The Eagle

 

[TurkeyForever]

Keep barking and posting some photos of Afro-Arabs in the middle of nowhere somewhere in Yemen while posting a photo of the middle of Istanbul built by Europeans featuring Western built cars and roads and people wearing Western clothes. Turkish contribution to this? A big fat zero.

This is Makkah from the 1920's



Let me try again.

You are the off-spring of Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Semites, Iranians, Kurds and others. Afro-Turks too. Last past few centuries (1-2) with Bosnian, Albanian, Bulgarian and Circassian/Caucasian in general (all the light-skinned people) arrivals. A few 1000 Turkish steppe nomads slaughtered your people and Turkified you and later Arabized and Islamized you as confirmed by DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

That is your history. Before that you were ruled by Arabs and used as slaves and eunuchs by Arabs and other Muslims from the Arab world to South Asia. Unlike Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_slaves_in_the_Delhi_Sultanate

Even the elite Ottomans considered Turk an insult as I showed you.

There is not a more deluded and self-lying people in the region. Even after the era of genetics you have Middle Eastern looking Turks claiming that they descend from 1.6 meter tall Turkic steppe nomads from Kyrgyzstan.





Speaking the language of conquerors and following the religion of conquerors and you dare to talk about masters. Your entire worldview is a huge big lie that history and now DNA shatters to pieces.

No fucking wonder that your likes are extremely deluded. I would be too if I was one of you.

No other examples of such delusion expect for maybe Eastern European Jews claiming that they are direct descendants of Semites and 100 % Semitic.

Lastly don't project your own feelings about being a fake Turk on others.

Now go cry forever.

So either you get lost and stop trying to get the attention of Arabs on this forum or I will single-handedly deal with you as usual. In short know your place. There is one small Turkey (3 times smaller than KSA and with a 20 million smaller population than 1 single Arab country - Egypt, and with a Kurdish population of 20 million) and then there are 500 million Arabs spread on 20 + Arab countries on two continents the size of almost all of Russia combined. So keep barking. UAE and Qatar combined have a economy (GDP) almost as big as that of 80 million Turkey. Get off your high horse.

Saving this post for the future and on other forums in case similar barking likes of you ever appear again.

You talk about oil and gas forgetting that the non-oil and gas sector of the GCC let alone the entire Arab world is many times bigger than the Turkish economy and that many non-oil rich Arab countries have similar or even higher living standards than Turkey. You will have to wait forever as the Arab world throughout recorded history has been one of the most wealthy regions in the world.

Dear arab just so you know only other arabs are reading your posts, I am just replying to let you know that no one cares about you.

Is he high on drugs? Look at those eyes.

 

[Falcon29]

You love to presume things, but for your kind information, I don't follow or even like Imran Hossein. Please try harder next time Brother. The Arab leaders have become slaves, not to Allah and his cause, but to the Zionist who have a leash around their necks.

Don't call me 'little' brother if you can't avoid use of childish rhetoric. As for Arabs, I'd say all Muslims have largely deviated from the faith and the Prophet(SAW) said Islam will be strange again just as it began. So don't single out Arabs, there is problem among all Muslims. So I'll take you seriously when you can recognize that reality and put aside these race/ethnic issues.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

On the subject....i don't know why my people are getting hyped with these people's comments....their ancestors were shit and they are still shit today...so, why should we even care the words of these people ?

Move on.

Dear arab just so you know only other arabs are reading your posts, I am just replying to let you know that no one cares about you.

Is he high on drugs? Look at those eyes.

Bro this troll is racist against everyone and every member has complained, he ruins every thread with the same crap against Turks, Iranians, Pakistanis and “darker” people lol yet it’s tolerated.

He thinks Turks lived in Anatolia when Arabs took it from the Greeks

 

[xenon54 out]

Regarding OP:

The defending commander of the Ottoman garrison in Medina Fahreddin Pasha was besieged by Arab forces but tenaciously he defended the holy city. Fahreddin Pasha not only had to defend Medina but also protect the single-track narrow gauge Hejaz Railway from sabotage attacks by T. E. Lawrence and his Arab forces, on which his entire logistics depended. Turkish garrisons of the isolated small train stations withstood the continuous night attacks and secured the tracks against increasing number of sabotages (around 130 major attacks in 1917 and hundreds in 1918 including exploding more than 300 bombs on 30 April 1918).

With the resignation of the Ottoman Empire from the war with the Armistice of Mudros between Ottoman Empire and Entente on 30 October 1918, it was expected that Fahreddin Pasha would also surrender. He refused and did not surrender even after the end of the war despite pleas from the Ottoman Sultan. He held the city until 72 days after the end of the war. After the Armistice of Moudros the closest Ottoman unit was 1300 km (808 miles) away from Medina.

Eventually, his men faced starvation due to a lack of supplies and the remaining garrison including Fahreddin Pasha surrendered on 10 January 1919. Abdullah I of Jordan and his troops entered Medina on 13 January 1919. After the surrender, the Arab troops looted the city for 12 days. Overall 4,850 houses which were locked and put under seal by Fahreddin Pasha were opened forcefully and looted.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Same trolls (sc, said al Arab, sharif al hijaz) likeing same posts, appearing when one gets banned, always same talk as they are the same person. Why isn’t this dealt with.

@The Eagle

 

[Rasengan]

And this is Anarkali Bazaar, Lahore, Pakistan in 1930s, you were advanced too you had trams and trains back then as well:

Problem with KSA is they revolted against the Ottoman empire and they wanted to be their own Sultan.

But problem is to be a Sultan like the Sultans in the Ottoman empire you need to do things for other muslims, expand and grow the empire as a whole, fight wars and so on.

Instead what we have in KSA and similar rich arab countries is selfish "kings" even kings fight for their people. So not sure what to call these people, lazy and selfish? =

They are like those spoiled kids on instagram just showing off.

In simple terms I think these rulers are nothing but toys of the west, maybe they don't even control their own military and need to call daddy USA and ask for permission.

During the 1960s Pakistan had the golden opportunity to become an economic power house, but our leaders were corrupt and instead Korea took the Karachi model and progressed to new heights of prosperity. Pakistan has potential, a young workforce with an abundant amount of resources. I just hope we can emulate Turkey's success and hopefully together as brother we can help to make the Muslim world strong. Turkey is respected in Pakistan, partly because many people have Turkic blood, and the last Caliphate was with the Ottoman Turks. Not to mention Sheikh Rumi was a great scholar and spiritual leader of Islam.

The funny thing about this Saudi Prince was that he was beaten in a hotel and forced to give 70% of his wealth to his nephew. This is a rumor, however, I wouldn't be surprised. the Saudi's have invested Billion's of dollars in the US, what did they get in return? Oh, yeah, they were treated like a dog, when Donald Trump started wagging his finger.