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Wellll, some turks are alittle dark to be honest, you can't really deny that though. I've seen for myself. None the less I agree with you points.

There is no real difference on average appearance wise between Middle Eastern Arabs, Iranians and Turks outside of the Afro-communities. There are white, brown (olive skin) and dark equivalents among all 3 people with the second being the most common. There might be regional variations but non-Middle Easterners can easily spot people from the Middle East.

Today's news... saudi sisters fled to Turkey from Saudi arabia

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Two sisters from Saudi Arabia, who are currently in Turkey, are desperately trying to avoid being returned to the kingdom, where they could be imprisoned, their lawyer has told Al Jazeera.

Serdarhan Topo said that his clients, 30-year-old Ashwaq Hamoud and 28-year-old Areej Hamoud, also fear violence from family members if they are forced to go back home.

The sisters, who are Saudi nationals, say they were subjected to torture and abuse at the hands of relatives.

They tried to flee to New Zealand on February 8 from Hong Kong, where they had arrived from Saudi Arabia via undocumented methods.

"However, they were not allowed to board on the plane during a Hong Kong transit on the suspicion that they might seek asylum in their final destination," Topo said.

In Saudi Arabia, where men are legal guardians of the family, women fleeing home is considered a crime.

The sisters face possible criminal charges in Saudi Arabia, which could lead to them being returned to their allegedly abusive guardians or being jailed for filial "disobedience" or "harming the reputation" of their country, because of their appeal for help outside the kingdom.

Disappointed following their attempt to go to New Zealand, the siblings travelled from Hong Kong to Istanbul.

Saudi nationals can enter Turkey by purchasing visas on arrival.

After staying and working in Istanbul, they applied for a residence permit in Turkey, which unexpectedly led to their detention in May.

"The father of the family, who is apparently an influential man, demanded his daughters return in a complaint through Saudi authorities, claiming that his daughters intended to go to Syria to join terrorist groups there," said Topo.

"Shortly after their detention, the authorities decided to deport the sisters despite the fact that there was no evidence backing these claims.

"We were shocked to hear [about] this decision as these people [face possible] death, not to mention violence, if they are returned to their country."

However, the Turkish Constitutional Court has ruled that any deportation process would not take place until the judicial process was completed.

A local court in Istanbul is reviewing the case.

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After they were detained, several videos of the women - apparently filmed by themselves - were shared on social media.

The sisters speak of their fears; in one clip they claim that if they return to Saudi Arabia, they "will be killed" by their family or "put into prison forever".

Social media users have shown their solidarity with the women with a hashtag, #SaveAshwaqAndAreej.

Topo says the accusation that the two sisters will join armed groups in Syria has influenced the case in a negative manner.

Turkish laws are currently highly sensitive to "terror" issues due to the country's ongoing state of emergency.

"However, there is no arrest warrant for [the sisters] or case against them over this particular claim, which means that Turkish authorities are well aware that these are unfounded," he said.

A state of emergency has been in effect in Turkey since a July 2016 failed military coup. The government has been implementing tough measures in cases they believe are related to "terrorism" since.

According to Turkish law, foreigners should not be returned to a place where "he or she may be subjected to torture, inhuman or degrading punishment or treatment".

The two sisters are safe and in good health, Topo said, adding that their location is being kept secret due to security concerns.

Earlier in December, Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, said: "Saudi women fleeing their family or the country can face so-called honour violence or other serious harm if returned against their will.

"If Turkey returns these women, the consequences could be dire."

The case of the Hamoud sisters is the latest example of Saudi women trying to flee their country.

Many before them have attempted to remain in countries where they travelled for tourism and education.

In April, 24-year-old Dina Ali Lasloom was sent back to Saudi Arabia against her will while in transit in the Philippines.

Lasloom, whose whereabouts in Saudi Arabia currently are unclear, was reportedly trying to fly to Australia to claim asylum there.

Al Jazeera has contacted Saudi Arabia's embassy in Ankara for comment but did not receive a response by the time of publication.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...urkey-fear-forced-return-171222115345162.html

Al-Jazeera is the source (says it all) and those two women are not Saudi Arabian. You can take them. Nobody cares. They look retarded too. Will fit nicely with types like you.

Nicely put big difference one is hated for fear (Turks) the other is hated for terrorism (Arabs).

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

In the real world Arabs ruled much more of Europe (most of Spain and Portugal for almost 800 years, Malta, Sicily, large parts of Southern Italy, parts of France, Crete, Cyprus and other areas of Greece. Influencing those regions profoundly. To such an extend that 20% of all words in Spanish and Portuguese derive from Arabic and most city names are also of Arabic origin. Arabs in Spain left 10 World UNESCO Heritage Sites alone.

When people (ignorant Westerners) think about the Caliphate, Islamic conquests (90% of all Islamic conquests were done by Arabs) they think about Arabs.

What you have written might be relevant for tiny Bosnia, Serbia and such irrelevant countries.

As I wrote, 10 out of 45 World UNESCO Heritage Sites in Spain (the country with the third most World Heritage Sites in the world) have full Arab/Moorish/Islamic heritage or partial Arab/Moorish/Islamic heritage.

Historic Walled Town of Cuenca (city name of Arabic origin):



Historic Centre of Córdoba (city name of Arabic origin):



Alhambra, Generalife and Albayzín (all names of Arabic origin)




Old Town of Ávila with its Extra-Muros Churches




Mudéjar Architecture of Aragon



Historic City of Toledo




Old City of Salamanca




Cathedral, Alcázar and Archivo de Indias in Seville (city name of Arabic origin)



Old Town of Cáceres (city name of Arabic origin)



Palmeral of Elche (biggest palm grove in Europe - planted originally by the Semitic Phoneicians but Arabs later expanded it) (City name of Arabic origin once again)



List of World Heritage Sites in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The most famous Arab/Moorish/Islamic heritage site in Spain/most visited heritage site is Alhambra which means "The Red Castle" in Arabic. It is located in Granada, Andalusia.

http://www.spain-holiday.com/Granad...st-visited-site-the-regal-alhambra-in-granada


Here are two excellent documentaries about Al-Andalus.


There are of course many other heritage sites but they are not admitted to the list of World UNESCO Heritage Sites. Yet that is. Some might in the future.

Over 1/4 of the current-day vocabulary of Spanish used on a daily basis derives from Arabic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language_influence_on_the_Spanish_language

Arabic/Moorish/Islamic culture influenced Spain on many fronts. Influences seen to this very day in the language, cuisine, architecture, traditions, music etc. Meanwhile the same Spain later influenced Latin America greatly which is why Latin America is influenced by Arabic/Islamic culture likewise, aside from the 30 million Latin Americans of Arab origin. The largest Arab diaspora in the world. Same story with Portugal and its colonies.

Lastly many people seem to equal Al-Andalus with Spain but they often forget that Portugal was there as well and Southern Portugal was probably as influenced as Southern Spain. Genetically as well as confirmed by DNA results of today.

Over 20 000 Arabic words in the Portuguese language… : Muslim in the Midst…

http://www.transeuropeennes.eu/ressources/pdfs/TIM_2011_Arabic_Portuguese_Catarina_BELO_114.pdf

"One contemporary translator from Arabic into Portuguese, Adalberto Alves, is currently compiling a list of Portuguese words of Arabic origin and has found more than twenty thousand of them. This fruitful interaction between the two languages led to a linguistic phenomenon which arose in the medieval period called aljamiado, whereby Portuguese was written in Arabic characters. This medieval period could be seen as a first phase of the interaction between the Portuguese and the Arabic languages."


Al-Garb Al-Andalus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Aljamiado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







Lisbon – an Arab city in the heart of Europe | Syria News Wire

Portugal | History | Islam | GlobalPost

Sadly this very detailed lecture (almost 2 hours long) from Casa Árabe is without English subtitles.

A leading Spanish professor in Al-Andalus talks about all the topics I have mentioned and many more. For 2 hours.

 
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Nicely put big difference one is hated for fear (Turks) the other is hated for terrorism (Arabs).
Pretty much. There's more reason for Europeans to dislike us Turks than Arabs. All our wars with Europe are fairly recent when comparing with Arabs.

Wellll, some turks are alittle dark to be honest, you can't really deny that though. I've seen for myself. None the less I agree with you points.
Not western Turkey. Not counting Gypsies, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs and so on.
 
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But wiZout the Arabs you would not be drinking coffee with your baklava.
 
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There is no real difference on average appearance wise between Middle Eastern Arabs, Iranians and Turks outside of the Afro-communities.

Still amusing coming from an Arab @SALMAN F about skin tones . There's no way you can say Turks look anything like Arabs. So I disagree.

Bit wiZout the Arabs you would not be drinking coffee with your baklava.
I don't even like coffee. Baklava is Turkish.
 
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Still amusing coming from an Arab @SALMAN F about skin tones . There's no way you can say Turks look anything like Arabs. So I disagree.

I don't care. The Turks in Europe that I have seen do not differ much from the average Arabs in Europe. Same is the case with Iranians (even more so). Simple Google searches don't give me much reason to change this opinion.

Anyway Arabs do not care about skin color. There is no discrimination other than at times against Afro-Arabs which is a sad thing and done by ignorants. We come in all shapes and forms (white, olive-skin, brown, black (Afro-Arabs) and everything in between) as said before and we are good looking people on average and this is well-known across the world and which is also why both Arab men and women are sought after.

But you can pretend to be a Scandinavian blonde (ugly people by large IMO) and having nothing to do with Arabs while bordering Arab lands and modern-day genetics (I know that you are most likely allergic to such a thing) showing close ties between Middle Easterners.

Don't really care.
 
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and having nothing to do with Arabs while bordering Arab lands and modern-day genetics (I know that you are most likely allergic to such a thing) showing close ties between Middle Easterners.

I was happy to have close ties with Arabs. but then I saw this thread about some Arab Ministers tarnishing Ottoman legacy
 
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Guys, Who is the mod for the ME section ?

This thread served it's purpose and needs to be locked down.

Arab trolls are involved they have a green card to insult Turks here what would the forum be without there off topic copy and paste posts and insults (from the same user with different ids).

Shows how much Pakistanis are our “brothers”.

Türk'ün Türk'ten başka dostu yoktur
 
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Arab trolls are involved they have a green card to insult Turks here what would the forum be without there off topic posts and insults.

Shows how much Pakistanis are our “brothers”.

Türk'ün Türk'ten başka dostu yoktur

LoL stop being emotional. The entire website only has 3 mods that are probably spending time with their kids right now.

@waz @Jungibaaz @The Eagle

Clean thread or lock it. Thanks
 
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LoL stop being emotional. The entire website only has 3 mods that are probably spending time with their kids right now.

@waz @Jungibaaz @The Eagle

Clean thread or lock it. Thanks

Thanks for the support bro.
Some people just believe what they want to believe. Turks are our dear kin.
I'm locking the thread.
 
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