Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

[Saif al-Arab]

I have seen you on every arab thread trying to make arabs look good, you are an arab it's too obvious.

Just remember no matter what you do the world will still keep hating arabs.

My self-confidence?

At least I'm not a desert arab like yourself.



Ok ok we get it you arabs are the best at everything and you are whiter than scandinavians.

The more you try to make arabs look good the more pathetic you become.

That's what you keep projecting on others due to being a Turk. Not even the Arabized and Islamized Ottomans liked being called Turks or the Ottoman elite.

Özay Mehmet wrote in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery:[28]

“ The ordinary Turks [Turkmen, or Yörüks] did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "In the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended." (Davey 1907: 209)​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

Find me a source where Arabs show similar views about themselves. Show me Arabs acting like wannabe Whites like Turks (your likes) do. Desperately claiming to be a part of Europe but being rejected time and time again.
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Arabs come in all shapes and colors. White, brown (olive-skin) and black (Afro-Arabs). However most Arabs belong to the second option or a combination of the first and second option. The skin color is the most desired skin color worldwide which is why Blacks and slightly less dark peoples use whitening creams while pale Westerners use sun tan screens and holiday in Southern Europe and Arab countries etc.

The only wannabe white people in the West are Turks who are confused about their origins. Are they Turkified Anatolians, remnants of Arabs, Iranians, Caucasians Kurds etc. What are they? DNA tells us that they are mixture of all those, lol.

The only one projecting his "white nonsense" is this Turkish troll.

His non-existing Turkish aryans and "turans" in action;



The only light-skinned ones are Bosnian/Albanian/Bulgarian migrants or Circassians. Or Turkified Greeks. All Turkish kebab sellers in Europe look like the typical Middle Easterner. Yet to see one who does not.

Typical example;



More @TurkeyForever (what a name - fitting for this imbecile) "Aryans" in action in Europe;



More Turkish protestors in action in Netherlands;





A world (wait make it a galaxy) apart from the average Middle Easterner, including Arabs.

(don't post a photo of KSA's national team as the 10% Afro-Arabs are dominating heavily like Blacks in France, Brazil and other national teams worldwide)

You dumb Turkish clown. Sure, everything is fake contrary to all proofs. The oldest civilizations, cities, heritage sites etc. are not found in the Arab world either.

As for your video, that is a Pakistani or South Asian due to his clothing and appearance. Not an Arab. Read the Youtube comments. What a fail from this moron.

PS: This idiot was the first one to post photos of some "apparent" Arabs which were not even Arabs in this thread.

It's taking him ages to reply. Expect some photos of Afro-Arabs. All he is good at when exposed to the bone Won't bother any longer. If I get banned this troll should also be banned since he was trolling long ago with similar posts without any consequences. Clearly an individual with obvious complexes. No Arab on PDF is talking about skin color unless others mention it in relation to Arabs. We are proud of our appearance which many people across the world, male as female, admire.

Wow Bravo! you gathered all your brain neurons to figure out I was an Arab..
BTW Our prophet View attachment 443847 was a desert man..

Be careful when insulting people who live and die for this View attachment 443848

Arguing with this retard is a waste of time. A few days ago he was posting photos of Afro-Arabs (black and white photos) from 100 years ago from Yemen (Empty Quarter moreover, lol), and pretending that this is how 500 million Arabs look like on average. It's like discussing with an actual retard. Funny at the beginning but then it becomes sad at the end when you realize it is no joke.

 

[BATMAN]

Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

Congratulations... Mr. Mubarik Hussein Patel type.

 

[The SC]

That's what you keep projecting on others due to being a Turk. Not even the Arabized and Islamized Ottomans liked being called Turks or the Ottoman elite.

Özay Mehmet wrote in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery:[28]

“ The ordinary Turks [Turkmen, or Yörüks] did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "In the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended." (Davey 1907: 209)​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

Find me a source where Arabs show similar views about themselves. Show me Arabs acting like wannabe Whites like Turks (your likes) do. Desperately claiming to be a part of Europe but being rejected time and time again.
​

Arabs come in all shapes and colors. White, brown (olive-skin) and black (Afro-Arabs). However most Arabs belong to the second option or a combination of the first and second option. The skin color is the most desired skin color worldwide which is why Blacks and slightly less dark peoples use whitening creams while pale Westerners use sun tan screens and holiday in Southern Europe and Arab countries etc.

The only wannabe white people in the West are Turks who are confused about their origins. Are they Turkified Anatolians, remnants of Arabs, Iranians, Caucasians Kurds etc. What are they? DNA tells us that they are mixture of all those, lol.

The only one projecting his "white nonsense" is this Turkish troll.

His non-existing Turkish aryans and "turans" in action;



The only light-skinned ones are Bosnian/Albanian/Bulgarian migrants or Circassians. Or Turkified Greeks. All Turkish kebab sellers in Europe look like the typical Middle Easterner. Yet to see one who does not.

Typical example;



More @TurkeyForever (what a name - fitting for this imbecile) "Aryans" in action in Europe;



More Turkish protestors in action in Netherlands;





A world (wait make it a galaxy) apart from the average Middle Easterner, including Arabs.

(don't post a photo of KSA's national team as the 10% Afro-Arabs are dominating heavily like Blacks in France, Brazil and other national teams worldwide)

You dumb Turkish clown. Sure, everything is fake contrary to all proofs. The oldest civilizations, cities, heritage sites etc. are not found in the Arab world either.

As for your video, that is a Pakistani or South Asian due to his clothing and appearance. Not an Arab. Read the Youtube comments. What a fail from this moron.

PS: This idiot was the first one to post photos of some "apparent" Arabs which were not even Arabs in this thread.

It's taking him ages to reply. Expect some photos of Afro-Arabs. All he is good at when exposed to the bone Won't bother any longer. If I get banned this troll should also be banned since he was trolling long ago with similar posts without any consequences. Clearly an individual with obvious complexes. No Arab on PDF is talking about skin color unless others mention it in relation to Arabs. We are proud of our appearance which many people across the world, male as female, admire.



Arguing with this retard is a waste of time. A few days ago he was posting photos of Afro-Arabs (black and white photos) from 100 years ago from Yemen (Empty Quarter moreover, lol), and pretending that this is how 500 million Arabs look like on average. It's like discussing with an actual retard. Funny at the beginning but then it becomes sad at the end when you realize it is no joke.

We have nothing against the Turks..and they have nothing against Arabs.. look at their deals with Arabs, not one day passes without hearing something positive about the relationships..in fact overseas we pray together in the same mosques and there is absolutely no hatred there.. let these few biased individuals troll.. they get back what they deserve to hear.. most of the time when they resolve to personal insults..they only show their weakness and intellectual shortcomings..
I hope to see some Mods react to this sectarianism about Arabs in general.. as we never insult a nationality or ethnic groups.. short of them insulting us.. and even then we do it quite moderately..

 

[ziaulislam]

stop lying no body like erdogan the clown and yes we fought the ottomans to take our country from turkish Colonists
Fakhri Pasha surrender to arabic army in madina that army later kicked ottomans out of arab lands

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ottomans They gave up alqudas to british army what a shame

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honestly, an arab bragging about modern war victories is very very odd....

to put in simple, in urdu there is saying "you guys could have solved Palestine problem, if you merely had pissed at jews"

i mean you guys outnumbered jews 10:1, if you call yourself saudis than its fine..you guys did good against saddam and houthis but arabs...ahmm...no.....

revolting against turkey is what caused all the mess in the first place, i mean even an idiot could figure out what would they do once you revolt, they kept most of the arab under their influence, millions have died in eygpt,iraq, syria, palestine, yemen..it was a catastrophe for the arabs (ironically thats what Palestine call the day when they were forcefully pushed out)

apart from guys who are buying nude painting for 300 million dollars in france ..
..arabs didnt had nice half a century to be honest..

Absolutely. We only have a problem with those who hate Arabs for being Arabs. Otherwise we have no hatred for Turks nor do they have any hatred for Arabs. Outside of those who dislike Arabs for being Arabs just like some Arabs dislike Turks for being Turks. I have always made clear that I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Turks but when somebody here insults Arabs out of nowhere, I reply in kind no matter who they are. This is what Arabs do in real life as well as the very proud people that we are (this is also well-known).

Look all the insults, discussions about skin color (that foreigners always start themselves - we Arabs know very well that we are attractive people by large and so does the world - this is not arrogance but just a fact that I have observed almost everywhere), it's almost always started by non-Arabs here. I am one of the few Arab users who reply in kind and that costs me bans. Otherwise almost all other Arabs keep away. This thread is a good example.

The moderators (I am afraid) will do nothing as usual. It is accepted to insult, demonize and write propaganda about 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arabccountries on this section and elsewhere. Moderators are doing nothing by large. Expect me to get banned while those insulting Arabs 24/7 are left alone. This is the normality here which is why 90% of all Arabs have left PDF ages ago.

nobody should insult arabs
its not good thing to insult whole nation or tribe of people
but every body has right to describe or comment about what has happened in last century

lol where did the skin color came from

arabs can be of every color if you take arabs as arabic speaking rather than pure arabs

 

[The SC]

You have a incredibly shallow and simplistic worldview of history and historical facts. Not the least surprised as it seems that South Asian Muslims have become brainwashed in this regard. Try to read some of my posts in this thread and all the facts that I am mentioning. You can google those facts on your own and do your own independent and non-biased research.



Absolutely. We only have a problem with those who hate Arabs for being Arabs. Otherwise we have no hatred for Turks nor do they have any hatred for Arabs. Outside of those who dislike Arabs for being Arabs just like some Arabs dislike Turks for being Turks. I have always made clear that I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Turks but when somebody here insults Arabs out of nowhere, I reply in kind no matter who they are. This is what Arabs do in real life as well as the very proud people that we are (this is also well-known).

Look all the insults, discussions about skin color (that foreigners always start themselves - we Arabs know very well that we are attractive people by large and so does the world - this is not arrogance but just a fact that I have observed almost everywhere), it's almost always started by non-Arabs here. I am one of the few Arab users who reply in kind and that costs me bans. Otherwise almost all other Arabs keep away. This thread is a good example.

The moderators (I am afraid) will do nothing as usual. It is accepted to insult, demonize and write propaganda about 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arabc countries on this section and elsewhere on PDF. Moderators are doing nothing by large. Expect me to get banned while those insulting Arabs 24/7 are left alone. This is the normality here which is why 90% of all Arabs have left PDF ages ago. I too will leave 100% eventually as I am not going to bother wasting my time on such discussions.

Hopefully moderators will do something about it.. I am optimistic as usual..

 

[ziaulislam]

You have a incredibly shallow and simplistic worldview of history and historical facts. Not the least surprised as it seems that South Asian Muslims have become brainwashed in this regard. Try to read some of my posts in this thread and all the facts that I am mentioning. You can google those facts on your own and do your own independent and non-biased research.



Absolutely. We only have a problem with those who hate Arabs for being Arabs. Otherwise we have no hatred for Turks nor do they have any hatred for Arabs. Outside of those who dislike Arabs for being Arabs just like some Arabs dislike Turks for being Turks. I have always made clear that I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Turks but when somebody here insults Arabs out of nowhere, I reply in kind no matter who they are. This is what Arabs do in real life as well as the very proud people that we are (this is also well-known).

Look all the insults, discussions about skin color (that foreigners always start themselves - we Arabs know very well that we are attractive people by large and so does the world - this is not arrogance but just a fact that I have observed almost everywhere), it's almost always started by non-Arabs here. I am one of the few Arab users who reply in kind and that costs me bans. Otherwise almost all other Arabs keep away. This thread is a good example.

The moderators (I am afraid) will do nothing as usual. It is accepted to insult, demonize and write propaganda about 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arabccountries on this section and elsewhere. Moderators are doing nothing by large. Expect me to get banned while those insulting Arabs 24/7 are left alone. This is the normality here which is why 90% of all Arabs have left PDF ages ago. I too will leave 100% eventually as I am not going to bother wasting my time on such discussions.

well my questions?
1. didnt arab revolted against turks under Lawrence of Arabia?
2. none saying it was absolutely wrong but it wasnt this this foolish looking at the greater picture?
3. weren't arab aware that centuries of lack of military presence/training would mean vulnerablity to UK imperialism ?
4. wast eygpt, Palestine and iraq catastrophe and unnatural boarders as result of that?
5. Didnt arab realized that what is at stake, they knew that Palestine would be under threat as soon as strong govt is disolved and that is waht exactly happened
6. what did arab gained from that, end result was imperialism and dictator ship govt whose end result were million of death in iraq, yemen and so forth

i am awaiting your answers

no one is deaming arabs, i have utmost respect for them in last 2 decades arabs have done much better than any countr.y.....
qatar, UAE and even saudi arabia is whole is a sucess story but here we discussing historical facts of the early 20th century

 

[TurkeyForever]

You dumb Turkish clown. Sure, everything is fake contrary to all proofs. The oldest civilizations, cities, heritage sites etc. are not found in the Arab world either.

Me a clown?

Remember in the Ottoman empire we the TURKS were your masters.

You were our subjects.

Pathetic arabs, everyone hates you on this earth.

 

[The SC]

honestly, an arab bragging about modern war victories is very very odd....

to put in simple, in urdu there is saying "you guys could have solved Palestine problem, if you merely had pissed at jews"

i mean you guys outnumbered jews 10:1, if you call yourself saudis than its fine..you guys did good against saddam and houthis but arabs...ahmm...no.....

revolting against turkey is what caused all the mess in the first place, i mean even an idiot could figure out what would they do once you revolt, they kept most of the arab under their influence, millions have died in eygpt,iraq, syria, palestine, yemen..it was a catastrophe for the arabs (ironically thats what Palestine call the day when they were forcefully pushed out)

apart from guys who are buying nude painting for 300 million dollars in france ..
..arabs didnt had nice half a century to be honest..


nobody should insult arabs
its not good thing to insult whole nation or tribe of people
but every body has right to describe or comment about what has happened in last century

lol where did the skin color came from

arabs can be of every color if you take arabs as arabic speaking rather than pure arabs

According to history the Ottoman Turks brought about their own demise by not following the European trends of the day in the 17th and 18th century.. when they have discovered America and were taking all its gold and wealth.. that fact alone changed the whole scene in Europe, economically, politically and militarily.. the Turkish Sultans were advised to make a move many times by their own ambassadors who have analysed the global situation and trends.. but the Sultans did not act.. Now blaming the Arabs or others won't change the root facts behind the Ottoman Empire downfall and demise.. you can only blame the incompetence of the latest Turkish Sultans for that..

 

[ziaulislam]

in my opinion revolting against ottoman empire was fine, you guys had higher calling, just garbing pieces of land after revolting was the issue...had their been pan Arabic movement, there would have been strong nation out of ottoman empire, as it seems the empire was failing any way but Arabs elite made it way worse..i think even the brits were amazed

every arab country and tribes was fighting among st them for next 3 decades with dozens of coups were going on whole libya, iraq, eygpt was in choas..

saudi arabia was lucky as house of saud gain was rather quick and swift

According to history the ?Ottoman Turks brouth their own demise by not following the European trends of day in the 17th and 18th century , when they have discovered America and were taking all its gokd and wealth.. that fact alone changed the whole scene in Europe, economically, politically and militarily.. the Turkish Sultans were advised to make a move many times by their own ambassadors who have analysed the global situation and trends.. but the Sultans did not act.. Now blaming the Arabs or others won't change the root facts behind the Ottoman Empire downfall and demise.. you can only blame the incompetence of the latest Turkish Sultans for that..

ottoman empire was not booming otherwise it would have crashed the revolt it was continuously doing for over 200 years

continuous revolts had made the empire weaker as well

but i agree arabs were not the only reason for the empire demise

 

[Saif al-Arab]

honestly, an arab bragging about modern war victories is very very odd....

to put in simple, in urdu there is saying "you guys could have solved Palestine problem, if you merely had missed at jews"

i mean you guys outnumbered jews 10:1, if you call yourself saudis than its fine..you guys did good against saddam and houthis but arabs...ahmm...no.....

revolting against turkey is what caused all the mess in the first place, i mean even an idiot could figure out what would they do once you revolt, they kept most of the arab under their influence, millions have died in eygpt,iraq, syria, palestine, yemen..it was a catastrophe for the arabs (ironically thats what Palestine call the day when they were forcefully pushed out)

apart from guys who are buying nude painting for 300 million dollars in france ..
..arabs didnt had nice half a century to be honest..

You have a incredibly shallow and simplistic worldview of history and historical facts. Not the least surprised as it seems that South Asian Muslims have become brainwashed in this regard. Try to read some of my posts in this thread and all the facts that I am mentioning. You can google those facts on your own and do your own independent and non-biased research.

We have nothing against the Turks..and they have nothing against Arabs.. look at their deals with Arabs, not one day passes without hearing something positive about the relationships..in fact overseas we pray together in the same mosques and there is absolutely no hatred there.. let these few biased individuals troll.. they get back what they deserve to hear.. most of the time when they resolve to personal insults..they only show their weakness and intellectual shortcomings..
I hope to see some Mods react to this sectarianism about Arabs in general.. as we never insult a nationality or ethnic groups.. short of them insulting us.. and even then we do it quite moderately..

Absolutely. We only have a problem with those who hate Arabs for being Arabs. Otherwise we have no hatred for Turks nor do they have any hatred for Arabs. Outside of those who dislike Arabs for being Arabs just like some Arabs dislike Turks for being Turks. I have always made clear that I have absolutely nothing against non-hostile Turks but when somebody here insults Arabs out of nowhere, I reply in kind no matter who they are. This is what Arabs do in real life as well as the very proud people that we are (this is also well-known).

As is Arab hospitality.

https://stepfeed.com/6-ways-arab-hospitality-knows-no-bounds-0354

http://www.naseeb.com/villages/journals/arabs-hospitality-and-generosity-13718

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/richie-frohlichstein-on-arab-hospitality

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/the-warmth-of-arab-hospitality-1.381658

http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/196502/manners.in.the.middle.east.htm

Look all the insults, discussions about skin color (that foreigners always start themselves - we Arabs know very well that we are attractive people by large and so does the world - this is not arrogance but just a fact that I have observed almost everywhere), it's almost always started by non-Arabs here. I am one of the few Arab users who reply in kind and that costs me bans. Otherwise almost all other Arabs keep away. This thread is a good example.

The moderators (I am afraid) will do nothing as usual. It is accepted to insult, demonize and write propaganda about 500 million Arabs and 20 + Arabc countries on this section and elsewhere on PDF. Moderators are doing nothing by large. Expect me to get banned while those insulting Arabs 24/7 are left alone. This is the normality here which is why 90% of all Arabs have left PDF ages ago. I too will leave 100% eventually as I am not going to bother wasting my time on such discussions or on a forum where there are separate rules for Arabs and separate rules for non-Arabs.

wow
good job
10/10 for twisting the history
i guess live in your dream than
poor palestinians...

well my questions?
1. didnt arab revolted against turks under Lawrence of Arabia?
2. none saying it was absolutely wrong but it wasnt this this foolish looking at the greater picture?
3. weren't arab aware that centuries of lack of military presence/training would mean vulnerablity to UK imperialism ?
4. wast eygpt, Palestine and iraq catastrophe and unnatural boarders as result of that?
5. Didnt arab realized that what is at stake, they knew that Palestine would be under threat as soon as strong govt is disolved and that is waht exactly happened
6. what did arab gained from that, end result was imperialism and dictator ship govt whose end result were million of death in iraq, yemen and so forth

i am awaiting your answers

1) First of all the majority of the Arab world was independent. Secondly not all Arabs revolted. Some Arabs fought with the Ottomans (in fact the majority of independent rulers in the neighborhood - google Emirate of Jabal Shammar). Thirdly the majority of the Ottomans were Arabs, not Turks. Arabs of Hijaz (despite ruling themselves de facto by large due to the Sharif of Makkah who was only second to the Sultan in Istanbul) and Levant and elsewhere wanted full independence and revolted as did Albanians and others. Brits saw this as an opportunity to gain foothold in the region (further) and play their own games. Ottomans themselves were allied with the Christian Germans. So why the hypocrisy? Ottomans were fighting Muslims with Germans. No difference.

2) Not at all. Was it a foolish thing for the Turks to steal the Caliphate from the Arabs in 1517 after almost 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate? You ask them. They seem proud of their Ottomans.

3) There was no lack of anything otherwise the Ottomans would not have been defeated quite easily. Also nobody back then (100 years ago) stood any chances against the UK which was the US of today or the Western world. Western presence in the region was just a question of time. Just like the Ottomans lost almost all of small Balkan decades prior and many other territories to Europeans.

4) Which unnatural borders does Egypt have? Today's Egypt is very much a reflection of ancient and historical Egypt. Same story with Palestine (expect for Jewish land-grabbing which is a separate discussion altogether, Jewish migration occurred under the watch of Ottomans - read this below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah

while Iraq is also mostly a reflection of ancient Mesopotamia with the exception of parts of Northeastern KSA, Kuwait and Al-Ahwaz (majority Arab-inhabited areas of Iran).

5) People did not only think about Palestine but about liberating their lands. Palestine was important but nobody back then could have imagined British treason to occur or more mass-Jewish migration. Even if this had not occurred Israel would still have existed due to Western pressure, Rothschild and other influential Jewish billionaires and afterwards WW2 and Holocaust made the necessity of an Jewish homeland even bigger so Europe (UK) pushes for it even more.

6) Freedom. 100% sovereignty. Correction of history and back to status quo (Arabs dominating their ancestral regions and the Middle East). This is worth more than any money on the planet. Those who do not value their sovereignty become nothing. Represent nothing. Ask the Kurds that question. Obviously here I am talking about those parts of the Arab world under Ottoman influence or rule. As I wrote initially large parts of the Arab world were always sovereign (90% of KSA, Oman, Morocco etc. to give a few examples).

As for wars, those are imposed wars or wars done by regional countries or regimes. Regimes that would have existed regardless of anything just like they exist among non-Arabs in the region. Only progress and time will change that like anywhere else, for instance neighboring Europe.

Hope that this is sufficient. If not write in the Arab Coffee Shop Thread on the Arab section. Our inactive chill-chat thread and I will give you more details, sources (Arab primary sources and non-Arab sources) and everything else you need to know.

EDIT: Have in mind that I replied to your questions within 9 minutes so if something is a bit unclear it is due to that.

According to history the Ottoman Turks brought about their own demise by not following the European trends of the day in the 17th and 18th century.. when they have discovered America and were taking all its gold and wealth.. that fact alone changed the whole scene in Europe, economically, politically and militarily.. the Turkish Sultans were advised to make a move many times by their own ambassadors who have analysed the global situation and trends.. but the Sultans did not act.. Now blaming the Arabs or others won't change the root facts behind the Ottoman Empire downfall and demise.. you can only blame the incompetence of the latest Turkish Sultans for that..

Not to mention never being at the height of Europeans or even being able to emulate former glories of past Arab Caliphates (a fact and not due to ethnic pride that I mention it) and neglecting Arab-majority lands (most of the Ottoman territory).

This neglect was evident on all fronts which is also something that the Iraqi Twitter user rightly highlighted in his twitter.

@Shogun

My false-flagging Saudi Arabian and Arab "friend"? Still looking for some Arab to help you with translating that 2 minute long video? You have been watching this thread for 1-2 hours but yet no reply. I can spot a false-flagger instantly especially if pretending to be an Arab. Don't play such games with me. @Arabi also immediately noticed it in this thread. Go play with your toys.

 

[ziaulislam]

1) First of all the majority of the Arab world was independent. Secondly not all Arabs revolted. Some Arabs fought with the Ottomans (in fact the majority of independent rulers in the neighborhood - google Emirate of Jabal Shammar). Thirdly the majority of the Ottomans were Arabs, not Turks. Arabs of Hijaz (despite ruling themselves de facto by large due to the Sharif of Makkah who was only second to the Sultan in Istanbul) and Levant and elsewhere wanted full independence and revolted as did Albanians and others. Brits saw this as an opportunity to gain foothold in the region (further) and play their own games. Ottomans themselves were allied with the Christian Germans. So why the hypocrisy? Ottomans were fighting Muslims with Germans. No difference.

2) Not at all. Was it a foolish thing for the Turks to steal the Caliphate from the Arabs in 1517 after almost 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate? You ask them. They seem proud of their Ottomans.

3) There was no lack of anything otherwise the Ottomans would not have been defeated quite easily. Also nobody back then (100 years ago) stood any chances against the UK which was the US of today or the Western world. Western presence in the region was just a question of time. Just like the Ottomans lost almost all of small Balkan decades prior and many other territories to Europeans.

4) Which unnatural borders does Egypt have? Today's Egypt is very much a reflection of ancient and historical Egypt. Same story with Palestine (expect for Jewish land-grabbing which is a separate discussion altogether, Jewish migration occurred under the watch of Ottomans - read this below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah

while Iraq is also mostly a reflection of ancient Mesopotamia with the exception of parts of Northeastern KSA, Kuwait and Al-Ahwaz (majority Arab-inhabited areas of Iran).

5) People did not only think about Palestine but about liberating their lands. Palestine was important but nobody back then could have imagined British treason to occur or more mass-Jewish migration. Even if this had not occurred Israel would still have existed due to Western pressure, Rothschild and other influential Jewish billionaires and afterwards WW2 and Holocaust made the necessity of an Jewish homeland even bigger so Europe (UK) pushes for it even more.

6) Freedom. 100% sovereignty. Correction of history and back to status quo (Arabs dominating their ancestral regions and the Middle East). This is worth more than any money on the planet. Those who do not value their sovereignty become nothing. Represent nothing. Ask the Kurds that question. Obviously here I am talking about those parts of the Arab world under Ottoman influence or rule. As I wrote initially large parts of the Arab world were always sovereign (90% of KSA, Oman, Morocco etc. to give a few examples).

As for wars, those are imposed wars or wars done by regional countries or regimes. Regimes that would have existed regardless of anything just like they exist among non-Arabs in the region. Only progress and time will change that like anywhere else, for instance neighboring Europe.

Hope that this is sufficient. If not write in the Arab Coffee Shop Thread on the Arab section. Our inactive chill-chat thread and I will give you more details, sources (Arab primary sources and non-Arab sources) and everything else you need to know.

EDIT: Have in mind that I replied to your questions within 9 minutes so if something is a bit unclear it is due to that.



Not to mention never being at the height of Europeans or even being able to emulate former glories of past Arab Caliphates (a fact and not due to ethnic pride that I mention it) and neglecting Arab-majority lands (most of the Ottoman territory).

This neglect was evident on all fronts which is also something that the Iraqi Twitter user rightly highlighted in this twitter.

@Shogun

My false-flagging Saudi Arabian and Arab "friend"? Still looking for some Arab to help you with translating that 2 minute long video? You have been watching this thread for 1-2 hours but yet no reply.

wow
good job
10/10 for twisting the history
i guess live in your dream than
poor palestinians...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Sure well-established historical facts are "distortion". The only dream is the one that you have found yourself in. It seems to be the case as well as you have only amounted to one-liners as a reply. Forget that Arabic Coffee Shop thread. Not going to waste my time.

Anyway it does not matter what foreigners like you believe in. We Arabs know our own history better nor do we need support from you or any other foreigner if I am to be brutally honest with you.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Let the dogs bark, the truth is without all that oil the fake gulf "states" would've been worse than African countries.

We should just keep our distance to the middle east and don't get too emotional with Arab's tribal & internal issues.

Thank you. Why should a sane person even bother responding to this crap?

Though, İ must admit that I do like these kind of public conflicts. After all, they are refreshing the memory of many conservative/religious people in Turkey. You know what I'm talking about... Ne Şam'ın şekeri ne... hihihi

On a personal level, however, I'd say keep fighting, make a fuss, scream out etc.

Everything that causes anti-GCC sentiments among the Turkish people should be used by citizens like us against any Wannabe-Arab in Turkey.

 

[ziaulislam]

Sure well-established historical facts are "distortion". The only dream is the one that you have found yourself in. It seems to be the case as well as you have only amounted to one-liners as a reply. Forget that Arabic Coffee Shop thread. Not going to waste my time.

Anyway it does not matter what foreigners like you believe in. We Arabs know our own history better nor do we need support from you or any other foreigner if I am to be brutally honest with you.

great

i just hope you guys stopping messing with each other make peace with Qatar, let people decide in Egypt and get your act and arab league together to clean up yemen, and syria, to push out iran and than get your act togther with respect to the starving Palestinians

for one stop buying nude french paintings, you might put the ottoman sultans to shame with your chivalry

opps, i woke up from a dream....

surprisingly this is nt that difficult to do but "hey its not on my bucket list, next... a new palace in france " arab leaders

 

[damm1t]

Arabs (people from modern-day KSA) ruled the Islamic Caliphate for 1000 years (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid) from the very beginning until it was stolen in 1517 by the Ottomans. During 95% of all the Islamic conquests and during the heights of the Islamic Golden Age and civilization on all fronts.

Ottomans were highly incompetent in comparison and achieved very little. Not to say neglecting Arab territory for the sake of tiny Balkans inhabited by local Slavs. A fact that the Iraqi Twitter user rightly highlights.

There was no control as most of the Arab world was sovereign including 90% of Arabia. It seems that you are implying that Arabs (despite ruling the longest in the region and despite the forefathers of Arabs creating the greatest and most influential civilizations) need to be ruled by more incompetent foreigners. Maybe Iranians need to be ruled by Semites, Greeks, Arabs, Mongols, Turks and Brits again?

The West colonized the entire world back then including your country de facto. Don't get ahead of yourself.

KSA was never a Western colony and Arabs back then had every right to have 100% sovereignty. Brits had their own plans and ideas. Ottomans were allied with Germans.

To every Arab user on this forum reading this thread and elsewhere. Have the historical butthurt in mind and inferiority complexes. It sits extremely deep in certain people as I only see such reactions from non-Arabs here. Yet to see an Arab make threads about how the Ottomans stole the Caliphate in 1517.



I suggest to stop using the Saudi Arabian flags when you are a foreigner (non-Arab) and false-flagger.

There is no hate nor any love. Neutrality. Islamists in the GCC as well as elsewhere "love" all Muslims while the rest of us know our history and know who are our real friends and who are not. Who want genuine partnerships or who are deluded and want to revive long gone empires. We have Arabs among ourselves who are deluded as well and have dreams of reviving past Arab empires but they are thankfully a minority. It seems when it comes to others this is a bit more widespread if PDF is the proof....



We already know that the world's most visited and famous Western museums are flooded with Arab artifacts and that of our ancient forefathers that created the first civilizations on the planet, but what exactly is the difference here? You are parading Islamic Arab artifacts as if they were your own while you have zero connection to it other than stealing it. No difference at all.

BTW Arab governments and wealthy businessmen are buying our heritage back.

Saudi Arabia retrieves 52,000 historical artefacts since 2011

ARAB NEWS | Published — Sunday 22 October 2017

JEDDAH: The Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage (SCTH) announced that it has successfully retrieved more than 52,000 artefacts from inside and outside the country as part of the National Project for Digital Recording of Antiquities, which follows international standards for archaeological recording and archiving.
The project aims to document and store all historic sites, artefacts, historical monument and urban heritage buildings in a comprehensive national digital registry linked to a multi-dimensional digital map, which is compatible with modern GIS technologies and digital databases, maps, images and graphics.
Director-General of Archiving and Protecting Antiquities at the SCTH, Naif Al-Qannour, said: “The new digital recording project stores detailed information and reports about 32,000 artefacts retrieved from outside the Kingdom and 20,000 returned by citizens to the SCTH since Prince Sultan bin Salman, president of SCTH, launched the campaign to retrieve national artefacts in 2011.”
“Some artefacts found their way outside Saudi Arabia through foreign travelers who moved them to other countries.” Al-Qannour continued, “One of the most famous artefacts is the Tayma Stone, which was discovered by Charles Huber and later on displayed at the Louvre Museum in Paris.”
He also explained that many employees of foreign companies, especially those who work in the oil industry, visited many parts of Saudi Arabia to study their geology and natural manifestations, collected the artefacts they found and took them to national museums at their home countries.
“Robbers of archaeological sites sometimes dig for archaeological treasures and achieve fast financial gains,” Al-Qannour said, “By doing so, they are destroying important archaeological evidence found in these sites, be it on land or in the sea.”
Al-Qannour stated that the SCTH will continue to work on retrieving and protecting artefacts and has released a red list of artefacts stolen from their sites inside Saudi Arabia and information about them in order to make them easier to identify. The SCTH has also announced handing financial rewards to those who return artefacts or report their loss or theft.
In 2011, Prince Sultan launched a campaign for retrieving national artefacts, including media and cultural programs and initiatives that aim to enlighten and inform citizens about the value of artefacts and the importance of returning them to the SCTH.
Recently, the SCTH released a list of 140 names of citizens who returned artefacts, reported archaeological sites or cooperated with the SCTH in protecting the country’s cultural heritage between 2013 and 2017 in order to honor them during the First Antiquities Forum, which will be launched under the patronage of King Salman, on Nov. 7 at the National Museum in Riyadh.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1181431/saudi-arabia

Troll thread indeed. I suggest that Arab users here ignore the barking and make a clear message for foreigners trying to steal our ancient and beautiful lands or lay claim on it. The reply will be breaking the skulls like every occupier eventually found out.

I am out of here.



Arabs and our forefathers created the first civilizations known to mankind and invented science and civilization as it was known for millennia and were pioneers for millennia. As late as during the Islamic Golden Age. Something that your people have never done and never will do. So you should keep quite and not talk about such topics. That photo is of some Bedouins in UAE. What is your point moron? That eating a rice dish using your hands (which millions of people do across all countries and continents) is somehow less civilized? What do you tell the Chinese who eat some of the most strange cuisine yet are inherently much more clever than your likes (much higher IQ on average) and who are much more advanced as well?

It seems that the moderators are sleeping once again as usual. It is allowed to insult Arabs here on PDF 24/7 but as soon as one of the few remaining Arabs reply in kind, they are banned. What a fucking joke.

I don't know others but I really find your posts too long to read... I doubt something useful there tho..

Hey man, you should get real, the huge Erdogan's presidential palace which consists of over 1000 rooms has an estimated cost of $ 600 milion...that must be the most expensive house in the world. Just imagine if he spent all those wasted money on helping poor people in Turkey instead of building 1000 empty rooms...

This is presidential complex of republic of Turkey, not Erdoğan Secondly it's not for selfish pleasures like and open to folks.. 3rd, Turkey is flag carrier of helping Muslims all around the world ... lol