Turkey slams UAE foreign minister for tarnishing Ottoman legacy

[The SC]

1) First of all the majority of the Arab world was independent. Secondly not all Arabs revolted. Some Arabs fought with the Ottomans (in fact the majority of independent rulers in the neighborhood - google Emirate of Jabal Shammar). Thirdly the majority of the Ottomans were Arabs, not Turks. Arabs of Hijaz (despite ruling themselves de facto by large due to the Sharif of Makkah who was only second to the Sultan in Istanbul) and Levant and elsewhere wanted full independence and revolted as did Albanians and others. Brits saw this as an opportunity to gain foothold in the region (further) and play their own games. Ottomans themselves were allied with the Christian Germans. So why the hypocrisy? Ottomans were fighting Muslims with Germans. No difference.

2) Not at all. Was it a foolish thing for the Turks to steal the Caliphate from the Arabs in 1517 after almost 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate? You ask them. They seem proud of their Ottomans.

3) There was no lack of anything otherwise the Ottomans would not have been defeated quite easily. Also nobody back then (100 years ago) stood any chances against the UK which was the US of today or the Western world. Western presence in the region was just a question of time. Just like the Ottomans lost almost all of small Balkan decades prior and many other territories to Europeans.

4) Which unnatural borders does Egypt have? Today's Egypt is very much a reflection of ancient and historical Egypt. Same story with Palestine (expect for Jewish land-grabbing which is a separate discussion altogether, Jewish migration occurred under the watch of Ottomans - read this below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah

while Iraq is also mostly a reflection of ancient Mesopotamia with the exception of parts of Northeastern KSA, Kuwait and Al-Ahwaz (majority Arab-inhabited areas of Iran).

5) People did not only think about Palestine but about liberating their lands. Palestine was important but nobody back then could have imagined British treason to occur or more mass-Jewish migration. Even if this had not occurred Israel would still have existed due to Western pressure, Rothschild and other influential Jewish billionaires and afterwards WW2 and Holocaust made the necessity of an Jewish homeland even bigger so Europe (UK) pushes for it even more.

6) Freedom. 100% sovereignty. Correction of history and back to status quo (Arabs dominating their ancestral regions and the Middle East). This is worth more than any money on the planet. Those who do not value their sovereignty become nothing. Represent nothing. Ask the Kurds that question. Obviously here I am talking about those parts of the Arab world under Ottoman influence or rule. As I wrote initially large parts of the Arab world were always sovereign (90% of KSA, Oman, Morocco etc. to give a few examples).

As for wars, those are imposed wars or wars done by regional countries or regimes. Regimes that would have existed regardless of anything just like they exist among non-Arabs in the region. Only progress and time will change that like anywhere else, for instance neighboring Europe.

Hope that this is sufficient. If not write in the Arab Coffee Shop Thread on the Arab section. Our inactive chill-chat thread and I will give you more details, sources (Arab primary sources and non-Arab sources) and everything else you need to know.

EDIT: Have in mind that I replied to your questions within 9 minutes so if something is a bit unclear it is due to that.



Not to mention never being at the height of Europeans or even being able to emulate former glories of past Arab Caliphates (a fact and not due to ethnic pride that I mention it) and neglecting Arab-majority lands (most of the Ottoman territory).

This neglect was evident on all fronts which is also something that the Iraqi Twitter user rightly highlighted in this twitter.

@Shogun

My false-flagging Saudi Arabian and Arab "friend"? Still looking for some Arab to help you with translating that 2 minute long video? You have been watching this thread for 1-2 hours but yet no reply.

Furthermore the Zionism movement was playing with the competitiveness between the European powers since the 16th century.. So if it was not not the Brits who have helped in the creation of Usrael, it would have been France or Germany or others.. regardless of anything else.. since the Zionists had proposed a state that will make any power who helps them to create their state in Palestine benefit from its geo-location.. (after at least 3 attempts of the European power to settle the Jews in different places in the planet..) because maritime trade was king of commerce at that time.. that power who will help will have unlimited access to Asia through the red sea and a link overland to the Mediterranean sea circumventing Africa completely, hence the appearance of the Suez canal made by the Brits too..So in reality the Ottomans were no where to see in this plot.. actually it took advantage of their weakness.. it seems like they were sleeping while the Zionists were plotting against them 400 years ago.. that roughly the time it took Zionists to create the modern day Usrael 70 years ago..

 

[damm1t]

An imbecile on steroids.

You are the off-spring of Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Semites, Iranians, Kurds and others. Afro-Turks too. Last past few centuries (1-2) with Bosnian, Albanian, Bulgarian and Circassian/Caucasian in general (all the light-skinned people) arrivals. A few 1000 Turkish steppe nomads slaughtered your people and Turkified you and later Arabized and Islamized you as confirmed by DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

That is your history. Before that you were ruled by Arabs and used as slaves and eunuchs by Arabs and other Muslims from the Arab world to South Asia. Unlike Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_slaves_in_the_Delhi_Sultanate

Even the elite Ottomans considered Turk an insult as I showed you.

There is not a more deluded and self-lying people in the region. Even after the era of genetics you have Middle Eastern looking Turks claiming that they descend from 1.6 meter tall Turkic steppe nomads from Kyrgyzstan.





Speaking the language of conquerors and following the religion of conquerors and you dare to talk about masters. Your entire worldview is a huge big lie that history and now DNA shatters to pieces.

No fucking wonder that your likes are extremely deluded. I would be too if I was one of you which thank God I am not.

No other examples of such delusion expect for maybe Eastern European Jews claiming that they are direct descendants of Semites and 100 % Semitic.

Lastly don't project your own feelings about being a fake Turk on others.

Now go cry forever.

Saving this post for the future and on other forums in case similar barking likes of you ever appear again.

Don't think about genetics too much, you are what you feel and embrace.

M.K. Atatürk - " He is a Turk if whoever says he feels that way "
Prophet Muhammed - " A person will be with whom he loves. "

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Don't think about genetics too much, you are what you feel and embrace.

M.K. Atatürk - " He is a Turk if whoever says he feels that way "
Prophet Muhammed - " A person will be with whom he loves. "

If you notice, I did not start the ethnic insults (as usual), talk about skin color etc. It was done by your compatriot. However when your opponent continues the trolling (that he began and always does on other threads due to his inferiority complexes and obsession) a few truths must be told to shut him up or at least make him think more than once.

You need to control your compatriots in their obsession about Arab affairs (some of them, not the majority thankfully). Not the other way around. Do you see Arabs trolling Turks on Turkish threads or even showing interest? Yet to see this.

I am not ashamed of anything. I reply to trolls in their own language. Nothing more and nothing less.

That individuals' user history is free for all to see. No more comments are needed.

The "insults" that I wrote are all based on history and facts moreover. So nothing to be ashamed of when dealing with trolls.

He can pretend to be a 1.60 meter tall Asian looking Kyrgyz or a Swede. Or pretend that his people are a world apart from Middle Easterners (Arabs included) despite history, geography and genetics proving otherwise. None of it is to be taken seriously.

 

[ziaulislam]

If you notice, I did not start the ethnic insults (as usual), talk about skin color etc. It was done by your compatriot. However when your opponent continues the trolling (that he began and always does on other threads due to his inferiority complexes and obsession) a few truths must be told to shut him up or at least make him think more than once.

You need to control your compatriots in their obsession about Arab affairs (some of them, not the majority thankfully). Not the other way around. Do you see Arabs trolling Turks on Turkish threads or even showing interest? Yet to see this.

I am not ashamed of anything. I reply to trolls in their own language. Nothing more and nothing less.

That individuals' user history is free for all to see. No more comments are needed.

The "insults" that I wrote are all based on history and facts moreover. So nothing to be ashamed of when dealing with trolls.

He can pretend to be a 1.60 meter tall Asian looking Kyrgyz or a Swede. Or pretend that his people are a world apart from Middle Easterners (Arabs included) despite history, geography and genetics proving otherwise. None of it is to be taken seriously.

i have no disrespect for arabs, i love them, i worked as a doc in qatar and the amount of racism i felt was more than any were in the world, i have met turks,and in general saw them very humble people but not arabs, anyway its probably more have to do with money than anything else, majority i meet are here on payrole of their country..

i am pretty much sure, had we been rolling in money we would have been the same

so in this case it only sadden us that despite all that power and wealth that God has given the arabs why are arabs of palestine, iraq and syria suffering ?

i think the answer is that their leaders dont believe in being Arabs in first place, if we could have leaders like you in arab world(extremely pan arabic/nationlist) things would have been much better for the arabs we saw a brief period in 1950s of such leaders

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any way i wish arab good luck, you have everything you need except leadership

 

[Saif al-Arab]

i have no disrespect for arabs, i love them, i worked as a doc in qatar and the amount of racism i felt was more than any were in the world, i have met turks,and in general saw them very humble people but not arabs, anyway its probably more have to do with money than anything else, majority i meet are here on payrole of their country..

i am pretty much sure, had we been rolling in money we would have been the same

so in this case it only sadden us that despite all that power and wealth that God has given the arabs why are arabs of palestine, iraq and syria suffering ?

i think the answer is that their leaders dont believe in being Arabs in first place, if we could have leaders like you in arab world(extremely pan arabic/nationlist) things would have been much better for the arabs we saw a brief period in 1950s of such leaders

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any way i wish arab good luck, you have everything you need except leadership

First of all your personal experiences can be accurate or they cannot. Secondly 330.000 Qataris (richest people on the planet on average) are no representatives of 500 million Arabs. Qatar is a tiny country (the smallest in the Arab world after Bahrain and the only Arab country with no forest cover) where 90% (correct me if I am wrong here) people live in one single city (Doha) and many of the "real" Qataris live in coastal cities outside of it or desert cities. Most expats have little to do with such people I believe. I mean there is little interaction. 90% of the population is composed of non-Arab and Arab expats.



KSA in comparison due to sheer size (12th largest country in the world, size of Western Europe combined), numerous and at times very different historical regions, geography etc. is a totally different country in this regard. For instance you have 10.000's of towns, villages etc. with barely any foreigners.

For instance how much of this Qatar are you familiar with (other than Doha)?

Souq waqif by JOJI, on Flickr

Untitled by Ziad Hunesh, on Flickr

ســوق واقـف by mohamed alsuwaidi, on Flickr

Untitled by Philip Bradford, on Flickr

MIA Park, Doha by claireschmidtmeyer, on Flickr

Qatar by Kannan Sairam, on Flickr

The Pearl #Doha #Qatar @hellopoe Like ❤ Comment Tag TAG YOUR Awesome Photos #Qatarism by Qatarism, on Flickr

Have a Blessed Friday #Doha #Qatar @7assansalem #Qatarism #SeeMyMosque by Qatarism, on Flickr

This image was from the Project to Shoot " Qatar National Day 2014" commissioned by QATAR AIRWAYS. Surprisingly got a award for this from Amiri Guard on 2015 . It's time to dig the archives to post the un published images.. #qatarinstagram #lifeindoha #ni by Qatarism, on Flickr

Beautiful Doha Skyline #doha #dohacity #dohaphotography #dohaqatar #dohainstagram #qatar #qatarlife #qatarinstagram #qatarliving #qatarairways #thisisqatar #dohacorniche #qatarism #seemydoha2016 #wearedoha #walk_and_walk #wgoqatar #addicted_to_nights #nig by Qatarism, on Flickr

Desert meets the sea. Reminds me a bit of the Namib Desert in Namibia although the latter is obviously bigger and more unique.



Old heritage town - Al-Wakra by A.Rahman AlKhulaifi, on Flickr

My brother son by YOUSIF AL-JANAHI, on Flickr

The Inland Sea - Qatar by Mohamad Nuski, on Flickr

Mangrove, Dhakira by AZFLICK, on Flickr

Its not amazon - Its Al-Khor by AZFLICK, on Flickr

Qatar is actually a quite underrated country with surprisingly interesting areas. It's a nice small peninsula that is connected to the largest peninsula in the world (Arabian Peninsula).

The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is based in KSA. You should tell the many Pakistanis among us if they experience racism. Only a minority will tell you that they have an often more than not it has nothing to do with race but social class and wealth. For instance a rich Afro-Arab can appear to be "racist" or "disrespectful" to an impoverished Hashemite.

If Arabs in the GCC were racist as claimed by some, we would not host some of the largest expat communities in the world (from all across the world) or one of the largest Afro-Arab communities or as in the case of KSA having naturalized Muslims from all corners of the Muslim world. For instance you have Saudi Arabians (locals) with origins in all corners of the world due to Hajj, Umrah and migrations in the past 1400 years and even before that.

Because we have bad leaderships and because the Middle East has been in a turmoil for a long time and because the Muslim world lost its leading position in the world when the Mongols sacked Baghdad back in 1258. Because the region is going through what Europe and the West did go through generations ago.

First of all I am not "extremely" Arab nationalist but I do admit that I am an Arab nationalist in the sense that I support Arab cooperation and that I am not a fan of most modern-day Islamists or anti-Arabs. What is wrong with this? There is nothing wrong with it.

Anyway I thanked your posts because I could see genuine thoughts from you which I respect.

 

[ziaulislam]

The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is based in KSA. You should tell the many Pakistanis among us if they experience racism. Only a minority will tell you that they have an often more than not it has nothing to do with race but social class and wealth. For instance a rich Afro-Arab can appear to be "racist" or "disrespectful" to an impoverished Hashemite.
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i agree i havent met enough people to judge the arabs, i might have met few 100s of other country not enough sample size
i am pushtoon, and have many relatives in arab world working in unskilled poor labourer
some of them came back without even getting their pay, which is usually stolen by the person who hold their "Aqama" and you are talking about absent racism......!!!
i guess you have no idea about the extreme expolitation that is been done by poor workers in your country....

enough said...
i guess majority of people love arab out of respect of being birth place of islam, the same reason why majority love Turks was because they being custodians of mecca/madina for centuries..

to summarize, there is great respect for Chinese because they are investing in pakistan, the same amount of money Saudis invested in Uber and fox news(and lost recently lol)

i just hope GCC/gulf co oepration council/arab league come together, their is huge potential in them, atleast if not the for the whole muslim world, they can get Arab world situation settle down and confront the growing iranian probelm

 

[Saif al-Arab]

i agree i havent met enough people to judge the arabs, i might have met few 100s of other country not enough sample size
i am pushtoon, and have many relatives in arab world working in unskilled poor labourer
some of them came back without even getting their pay, which is usually stolen by the person who hold their "Aqama" and you are talking about absent racism......!!!
i guess you have no idea about the extreme expolitation that is been done by poor workers in your country....

enough said...
i guess majority of people love arab out of respect of being birth place of islam, the same reason why majority love Turks was because they being custodians of mecca/madina for centuries..

to summarize, there is great respect for Chinese because they are investing in pakistan, the same amount of money Saudis invested in Uber and fox news(and lost recently lol)

No, I have no idea what some local individual Qataris do to foreign labor inside Qatar nor can I verify it for obvious reasons. I do however know what my family, extended family and friend's families have been doing the occasions that they have been employing foreign labor temporarily or for a longer time and none where treated in such a way but became a part of their host families with everything this entails (almost) and no complains ever, rather the contrary.

I do not know from when this occurred but regimes/governments in power are doing everything to prevent such evil locals to exploit the system. Heavy fines, jail time etc. It's already illegal. Apparently Qatar has been doing some serious reforms due to the World Cup in 2022 and due to the boycott. Not sure if it works on the ground as I have not visited Qatar since the boycott nor do I wish to do so quite frankly. It's a work in progress and a widespread problem across the world. I am not going to buy this idea or character assassination that Arabs treat foreigners as slaves. Simply not true. If that was the case there would be no foreigners in the GCC yet it is only second to USA, Russia and China in the world.

Arab hospitality (none written by Arabs):

https://stepfeed.com/6-ways-arab-hospitality-knows-no-bounds-0354

http://www.naseeb.com/villages/journals/arabs-hospitality-and-generosity-13718

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/richie-frohlichstein-on-arab-hospitality

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/the-warmth-of-arab-hospitality-1.381658

http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/196502/manners.in.the.middle.east.htm

Yes, because KSA is the only Arab country in the world and KSA has never invested in Pakistan or helped Pakistan at all. Watch this space as KSA joins CPEC with China.

Since when is it forbidden to invest in the West? Why this hypocrisy when you live in the US and write in English? Not to say that Pakistan itself receives (gladly) US aid in the billions (for years) and trades with the West. Come on. This is the thing that I am talking about. Arabs are supposedly not allowed to have ties with non-Muslims because Muslims (many) expect them to solve all their problems and in return Arabs are almost never helped. Plenty of struggling Arabs and conflicts in the Arab world currently. I don't see many Pakistanis here voicing support for Libyans for instance or caring about their struggles. Just one example. Goes for other Muslims too. This double standard is annoying and makes some Arabs less inclined to become pan-Muslim as we were once. More are looking inwards due to such sentiments and I do not blame them.

 

[ziaulislam]

No, I have no idea what some local individual Qataris do to foreign labor inside Qatar nor can I verify it for obvious reasons. I do however know what my family, extended family and friend's families have been doing the occasions that they have been employing foreign labor temporarily or for a longer time and none where treated in such a way but became a part of their host families with everything this entails (almost) and no complains ever, rather the contrary.

I do not know from when this occurred but regimes/governments in power are doing everything to prevent such evil locals to exploit the system. Heavy fines, jail time etc. It's already illegal. Apparently Qatar has been doing some serious reforms due to the World Cup in 2022 and due to the boycott. Not sure if it works on the ground as I have not visited Qatar since the boycott nor do I wish to do so quite frankly. It's a work in progress and a widespread problem across the world. I am not going to buy this idea or character assassination that Arabs treat foreigners as slaves. Simply not true. If that was the case there would be no foreigners in the GCC yet it is only second to USA, Russia and China in the world.

Arab hospitality (none written by Arabs):

https://stepfeed.com/6-ways-arab-hospitality-knows-no-bounds-0354

http://www.naseeb.com/villages/journals/arabs-hospitality-and-generosity-13718

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/richie-frohlichstein-on-arab-hospitality

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/the-warmth-of-arab-hospitality-1.381658

http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/196502/manners.in.the.middle.east.htm

Yes, because KSA is the only Arab country in the world and KSA has never invested in Pakistan or helped Pakistan at all. Watch this space as KSA joins CPEC with China.

Since when is it forbidden to invest in the West? Why this hypocrisy when you live in the US and write in English? Not to say that Pakistan itself receives (gladly) US aid in the billions (for years) and trades with the West. Come on. This is the thing that I am talking about. Arabs are supposedly not allowed to have ties with non-Muslims because Muslims (many) expect them to solve all their problems and in return Arabs are almost never helped. Plenty of struggling Arabs and conflicts in the Arab world currently. I don't see many Pakistanis here voicing support for Libyans for instance or caring about their struggles. Just one example. Goes for other Muslims too. This double standard is annoying and makes some Arabs less inclined to become pan-Muslim as we were once. More are looking inwards due to such sentiments and I do not blame them.

we dont need arabs, we only wish arabs get the arab world fixed(which inculde, yemen, syria, iraq and palestine) nothing else, Pakistan has no issues, we can take care of ourselves facing a 1.3 billion opposition, we did what we have to do after facing a 1971 event(nobody helped us) we made nukes, we are country that learned not to trust on anyone, we faced ISIS, taliban, a proxy war from iran, 50,000 died but we didnt lost hope..

Libya, yemen, syria and iraq were all involved in CIVIL WAR

do you know what civill war means? civil war can only end with talks and no body from outside can help
Pakistan has repeated voice concerns for everything, we dont need to side line israel, can makes things much easier for our self if we just accept israel

as for the issues of workers mistreatment just use google..i can narrate atleast 1000s cases, dozens of my near/far relatives involved in such cases

i know you dont need us for workers, there is india, nepal and bengladesh and whole african world that can fit in our shoes but the situation is same for everyone, worse for women of india and bengal

ARAB world needs reforms
1. more democracy or atleast some sort of representative govt, more diversification of econmy, less dependence on western weapons
2. more unity(qatar-eygpt issue)
3. a common bank, possibly currency and military
4. more investment in poorer arab states of yemen and syria

 

[Saif al-Arab]

we dont need arabs, we only wish arabs get the arab world fixed(which inculde, yemen, syria, iraq and palestine) nothing else, Pakistan has no issues, we can take care of ourselves facing a 1.3 billion opposition, we did what we have to do after facing a 1971 event(nobody helped us) we made nukes, we are country that learned not to trust on anyone, we faced ISIS, taliban, a proxy war from iran, 50,000 died but we didnt lost hope..

Libya, yemen, syria and iraq were all involved in CIVIL WAR

do you know what civill war means? civil war can only end with talks and no body from outside can help
Pakistan has repeated voice concerns for everything, we dont need to side line israel, can makes things much easier for our self if we just accept israel

as for the issues of workers mistreatment just use google..i can narrate atleast 1000s cases, dozens of my near/far relatives involved in such cases

i know you dont need us for workers, there is india, nepal and bengladesh and whole african world that can fit in our shoes but the situation is same for everyone, worse for women of india and bengal

ARAB world needs reforms
1. more democracy or atleast some sort of representative govt, more diversification of econmy, less dependence on western weapons
2. more unity(qatar-eygpt issue)
3. a common bank, possibly currency and military
4. more investment in poorer arab states of yemen and syria

Who said that non-Arabs need Arabs? Arabs don't need non-Arabs either if what needs to be done is done. Mutually beneficial cooperation with everyone in the world (perfect world) is always preferred though.

Not sure what my post has to do with your post?

Are you sure? Iraq was invaded by the most powerful country in the world and your host country not only once but twice. Few countries can say that. In Libya too the same US and West intervened.

I am well aware of the fact that locals in those Arab countries (Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria) have to solve their troubles with or without outside help. Ideally with outside help. Not saying otherwise.

No, there are local Arabs and in the case of KSA, the expat community (whether fellow Arabs or not) in 10 years time will not even be 1/3 of what it is today.

Well, I do not disagree with your proposals and many more but singling out Arabs is not something that I am a fan of when others face similar problems.

BTW I could write a more detailed post but for another time. It is late here.

Take care.

 

[Kamil_baku]

I wish Turkey could be as brutal as Americans did to Indians or French did to Algeria.. or Russia did to east of Ural.. they you would understand how nice Turkey was...
Its Ottamans fault that there is a language left called Arabic, they didnt touch that...
What a fucked up world...
Erdogan was trying to change Turkish peoples mind that they csn trust arabs actually, but the history shows that there is a reason for that history..
i think these words related not to arabs but those wahabis..

 

[The SC]

What incompetence we were your masters, know your place A-Rab

Masters titles were handed to you by none than Arabs. and that because of Islam's democracy.. you know you were slaves saved again by none than the same Arabs you try to insult.. and Your Sultans spoke Arabic.. I understand your inferiority complex and pity you.. you are a lost case.. I won't insult you as a Turk because unlike other Turks I knew and who were very respectful.. you seem to be a very low life Turk.. full of poisonous emotions that are eating you inside.. you should change your behavior, because insulting anyone will not help you at all.. it will show more of your shortcomings and an ill mind..

Who said that non-Arabs need Arabs? Arabs don't need non-Arabs either if what needs to be done is done. Mutually beneficial cooperation with everyone in the world (perfect world) is always preferred though.

Not sure what my post has to do with your post?

Are you sure? Iraq was invaded by the most powerful country in the world and your host country not only once but twice. Few countries can say that. In Libya too the same US and West intervened.

I am well aware of the fact that locals in those Arab countries (Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria) have to solve their troubles with or without outside help. Ideally with outside help. Not saying otherwise.

No, there are local Arabs and in the case of KSA, the expat community (whether fellow Arabs or not) in 10 years time will not even be 1/3 of what it is today.

Well, I do not disagree with your proposals and many more but singling out Arabs is not something that I am a fan of when others face similar problems.

BTW I could write a more detailed post but for another time. It is late here.

Take care.

We do have some very good leadership now.. most people do not understand the context of colonisation and that most Arab countries got their independence through force in the late 50s and the beginning of the 60s.. so the colonialists did create many obstacles for them not to advance.. this fear of the west is proof enough of the potential of Arabs.. today there is another phase of the Arab world's advancement.. you and me know it through what is going on there.. others, well..let them guess, complain and ultimately cry.. while we advance in all fields..

 

[xenon54 out]

I'd like to see him slamming wahhabis for what they did to the holy cities and still continue doing.

Ottomans actually defended those cities multiple times against wahhabi destruction.

Hypocracy at its finest.

 

[tesla]

Fahreddin Paşha. Allah mekanını cennet eylesin

 

[Devil Soul]

Erdogan tells UAE minister to ‘know your place’ over tweet
AFPUpdated December 21, 2017
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ANKARA: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan hit back on Wednesday at the United Arab Emirates foreign minister over a social media post that accused “Erdogan’s ancestors” of kidnapping people of Madina in the early 20th century.

Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al Nahyan retweeted a post on Twitter this week, in which a user claimed Fahreddin Pasha — Madina governor from 1916 to 1919 — was a thief.

The UAE’s top diplomat shared the tweet by the user called “Ali al Iraqi” and presenting himself as an Iraqi dentist living in Germany.

“Ali al Iraqi” said the former Madina governor “committed a crime against the people of Madina by stealing their money, kidnapping them and putting them on trains that took them to Syria and Istanbul”.

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The user added: “Those are the ancestors of Erdogan and this is the history that they have with Arab Muslims.”

The Turkish president told the minister to “know your place” as he railed against the Twitter user’s claims.

“Now you see unfortunately those near (Madina) unashamedly, relentlessly are making slanderous claims. First, know your place! It means you do not know this country, you do not know Erdogan, you do not know about Erdogan’s ancestors,” he thundered.

Fahreddin Pasha was governor during the siege of Madina (1916-1919).

“When Fahreddin Pasha was protecting Madina, hey you wretched slandering us, where were your ancestors?” Erdogan retorted during a speech in Ankara.

His spokesman said the tweet was a “propaganda lie” and the governor had “bravely defended” Madina against British forces. Relations between the UAE and Turkey are filled with distrust as Ankara supports Qatar in a six-month crisis with its Gulf neighbours, including the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

Published in Dawn, December 21st, 2017

 

[Muhammed45]

Erdogan tells UAE minister to ‘know your place’ over tweet
AFPUpdated December 21, 2017
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ANKARA: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan hit back on Wednesday at the United Arab Emirates foreign minister over a social media post that accused “Erdogan’s ancestors” of kidnapping people of Madina in the early 20th century.

Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al Nahyan retweeted a post on Twitter this week, in which a user claimed Fahreddin Pasha — Madina governor from 1916 to 1919 — was a thief.

The UAE’s top diplomat shared the tweet by the user called “Ali al Iraqi” and presenting himself as an Iraqi dentist living in Germany.

“Ali al Iraqi” said the former Madina governor “committed a crime against the people of Madina by stealing their money, kidnapping them and putting them on trains that took them to Syria and Istanbul”.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
The user added: “Those are the ancestors of Erdogan and this is the history that they have with Arab Muslims.”

The Turkish president told the minister to “know your place” as he railed against the Twitter user’s claims.

“Now you see unfortunately those near (Madina) unashamedly, relentlessly are making slanderous claims. First, know your place! It means you do not know this country, you do not know Erdogan, you do not know about Erdogan’s ancestors,” he thundered.

Fahreddin Pasha was governor during the siege of Madina (1916-1919).

“When Fahreddin Pasha was protecting Madina, hey you wretched slandering us, where were your ancestors?” Erdogan retorted during a speech in Ankara.

His spokesman said the tweet was a “propaganda lie” and the governor had “bravely defended” Madina against British forces. Relations between the UAE and Turkey are filled with distrust as Ankara supports Qatar in a six-month crisis with its Gulf neighbours, including the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

Published in Dawn, December 21st, 2017

The little trouble maker of middle east the very called UAE

In Libya this little trouble maker is busy with bombing Libyan infrastructures. Turkey can put them on their place

@TurkeyForever
Buddy, i suggest, Turkey should be on it's strongest position, we can conquer Arab lands once again together. Turkey can have the African parts plus some pieces of Mediterranean. Let's give peninsula to Pakistani, they love it too much.

What is your suggestion?