Turkey seeks partners for TF-X fighter program amid fiscal uncertainty

[FuturePAF]

Greese number28 with 350$ bln, per capita 42800$ vs Turkey per capita only 5155$
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Also what is the “quality” of the debt. Is it debt to finance grow, borrowed at relatively low interest rates, or high interest rate borrowing for vanity projects like the Olympics.

For example, both Poland and Turkey have similarly around 50% Debt to GDP ratio. Poland’s economy ha been growing for the last 30 years, even through both the 2008 and the 2020 economic crisis. They are expected to surpass the UK economy by 2030, and it maybe soon that British people will come to Poland to seek jobs where as Polish people went to the UK to seek work and were demonized and contributed to the self-goal of Brexit.

In a similar manner, Turkey is also on the same trajectory, albeit on a more rocky path, but still on the path to rebuild to becoming one of the largest economies.

 

[MMM-E]

The road is long and hard between a first flight of a proto (which is nothing else than an aero show bird with big engines, as Rafale A was at his time) and a mature fighter with a complete weapon system.
10 years is a minimum. A very minimum.
Good luck.

-- KAAN first flight 27 december 2023
-- 20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028
-- KAAN to become operational with full capabilites in 2033 ...... because of indigenous Engine


1-- new turbofan Engine from TR-MOTOR for 5th gen capability
2-- with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )
3-- high-capacity networking , AI, data fusion
4-- Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
5-- Pilot Health Tracking
6-- DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
7-- HMDS (Helmet Display System) with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
8 --Increased-range BVR Missile (GOKHAN ramjet powered long range networked a2a missile )
9-- excellent EW capabilities with ASELSAN FEWS -- Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite

10 -- full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types ( KAAN , ANKA-3, KIZILELMA )

 

[BON PLAN]

-- KAAN first flight 27 december 2023
-- 20 KAAN will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2028
-- KAAN to become operational with full capabilites in 2033 ...... because of indigenous Engine

Let's see what happend. I put a cross on my agenda on the 27th of december (LOL).
5 years from a first flight to 20 opertional birds : for me impossible, or in a very limited standard (ie only air to air, and only in WVR, without other load, withour electronic counter measures) => only a show of force from the old Vizir, but nothing impressive on military level.

6-- DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER

in 2128 maybe.

1-- new turbofan Engine from TR-MOTOR for 5th gen capability

2035 at best, and never last gen (because you began from scratch, without history and skill on that very very competitive business).

 

[Foinikas]

Same news

La Turquie éprouve des difficultés financières à développer son propre avion de chasse TF-X de cinquième génération et cherche de nouveaux partenaires prêts à investir.

La Turquie a besoin de nouveaux investisseurs pour développer son programme d'avions de combat de cinquième génération. L'avion, connu sous le nom de TF-X et KAAN, devrait entrer en service d'ici la fin de la décennie.

gagadget.com

So sad @MMM-E
Seems that Turkey will have to rely on old junk F16 for a while....

better worry about French Air Force with old junk RAFALE

A man who says Rafale is "old junk" proves he is completely ignorant of military matters.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Greese number28 with 350$ bln, per capita 42800$ vs Turkey per capita only 5155$
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That table is severely screwed up.
It shows external debt only.
Sweden’s internal and external debt is 17,1% of GDP. This table claims the external debt alone is 159,5% of GDP.

 

[MMM-E]

Let's see what happend. I put a cross on my agenda on the 27th of december (LOL).
5 years from a first flight to 20 opertional birds : for me impossible, or in a very limited standard (ie only air to air, and only in WVR, without other load, withour electronic counter measures) => only a show of force from the old Vizir, but nothing impressive on military level.

I will laugh on jealous FOINIKAS , BON PLAN , etc when KAAN make the first flight on 27 december 2023


until 2028 , eveything will be ready for 20 KAAN Fighter Jets ( except indigenous Engine )

BURFIS AESA Radar
FEWS Electronic Warfare Suite
TULGAR HMDS (Helmet Display System) with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
high-capacity networking , AI, data fusion
with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )

GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air Missile


KAAN ( King of the Kings ) is coming to kick old junk RAFALE

 

[Foinikas]

KAAN ( King of the Kings ) is coming to kick old junk RAFALE

How old are you? Only a kid talks like that.

 

[MMM-E]

2035 at best, and never last gen (because you began from scratch, without history and skill on that very very competitive business).

Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine in 7 years ( 2017-2024 )

T-625 Utility Helicopter made the first flight with indigenous TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine in 2023
And TEI start mass production by 2024

in 2021 , Turkiye has started developing turbofan engine which will be started test flights on KAAN in 2028
until 2033 , 35.000 lbf indigenous turbofan engine will be ready for mass production


also until 2030 ,
ANKA-3 flying-wing stealth UCAV and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will use indigenous turbofan Engines

-- TEI TF-6.000
-- TEI TF-10.000

How old are you? Only a kid talks like that.

Your 57 years old friend BON PLAN called F-16 Block70 as old junk

if F-16 Block70 is old junk , then RAFALE is also old junk


2 Systems makes Turkish F-16s to mach with RAFALE armed with METEOR

1-- MURAD AESA Radar .. ( AKINCI UCAV and F-16 are getting MURAD AESA Radar this year for test flights )
2-- GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air Missile ... ( You will see test videos in 2023 )

 

[Foinikas]

Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine in 7 years ( 2017-2024 )

T-625 Utility Helicopter made the first flight with indigenous TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine in 2023
And TEI start mass production by 2024

in 2021 , Turkiye has started developing turbofan engine which will be started test flights on KAAN in 2028
until 2033 , 35.000 lbf indigenous turbofan engine will be ready for mass production


also until 2030 ,
ANKA-3 flying-wing stealth UCAV and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will use indigenous turbofan Engines

-- TEI TF-6.000
-- TEI TF-10.000




Your 57 years old friend BON PLAN called F-16 Block70 as old junk

if F-16 Block70 is old junk , then RAFALE is also old junk


2 Systems makes Turkish F-16s to mach with RAFALE armed with METEOR

1-- MURAD AESA Radar .. ( AKINCI UCAV and F-16 are getting MURAD AESA Radar this year for test flights )
2-- GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air Missile ... ( You will see test videos in 2023 )

You avoided the question:

How old are you?

And Bon Plan didn't call F-16V junk,he implied that you did. But you don't get it.

 

[MMM-E]

And Bon Plan didn't call F-16V junk,you implied that you did. But you don't get it.

TAI and ASELSAN signed contracts to modernize F-16s to block70 standard for $2 billion

His post

Seems that Turkey will have to rely on old junk F16 for a while....

after OZGUR modernization
Turkish F-16s will be the deadliest VIPERs in the World
-- MURAD AESA Radar ( GaN )
-- FEWS Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite
-- Digital Cockpit
-- National Friend-Foe Identification (IFF) System
-- National Mission Computer
-- T Link ... Link-16 data link
-- 9681 V/UHF air radio
-- Night Vision Cueing and Display (NVCD)
-- Multifunction Cockpit Center Display Active Matrix Liquid Crystal Display
-- Inertial Navigation System
-- National Sound Safety Device
-- TULGAR Helmet-Mounted Display System (HMDS)

-- BOZDOGAN WVR Air to Air Missile
-- GOKDOGAN BVR Air to Air Missile

-- ASELPOD Targeting Pod
-- Havelsan EHSIM RF expendable decoy
-- SOM-J next gen stealth Cruise Missile
-- AKBABA anti-radiation Missile
-- GOKHAN ramjet powered long range networked Air to Air Missile

 

[Kejo]

“As for Pakistan, I wonder what exactly it can bring to the table. Not money, obviously”

What a nasty comment by the author how nasty to say that for no reason

You shouldn’t talk like that about other countries

The author is just butt hurt and a loser

The author is known to be anti-Turkish and by association anti-Pakistani.

He is pro-Israel and a member of the Middle East Forum which is clearly anti-Islam.

Middle East Forum – Wikipedia

de.m.wikipedia.org

He is an advocate of a US military intervention in Turkiye to overthrow the AKP-led government.

Plus, Bokdil has ties to India, too.

He writes articles for newageislam.com.

His name is Bekdil but Turkish netizens call him Bokdil which literally means 'sh*t tongue' because all he says and writes is crap.

In his articles he frequently refers to some dubious 'sources in defence circles' by which he usually means himself.

This guy has an agenda. Never take him seseriously.

 

[Foinikas]

TAI and ASELSAN signed contracts to modernize F-16s to block70 standard for $2 billion

When? The Senate hasn't approved anything like that yet.

after OZGUR modernization
Turkish F-16s will be the deadliest VIPERs in the World

I would like the opinion of some experts on this comment @F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @Deino @FuturePAF @gambit @James David @That Guy @White and Green with M/S @Ali_Baba @CallSignMaverick @Gomig-21

 

[FuturePAF]

When? The Senate hasn't approved anything like that yet.



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I would like the opinion of some experts on this comment @F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @Deino @FuturePAF @gambit @James David @That Guy @White and Green with M/S @Ali_Baba @CallSignMaverick @Gomig-21

Doubt they will be the “most deadliest” vipers in the world, but they will be up there, if the sub-systems perform as advertised.

P.S. I’m no expert, just an amateur observer with a keen interest in how this small defense industry can do in such a short time.

 

[Foinikas]

Doubt they will be the “most deadliest” vipers in the world, but they will be up there, if the sub-systems perform as advertised.

P.S. I’m no expert, just an amateur observer with a keen interest in how this small defense industry can do in such a short time.

As advertised,that's the point!

 

[Faceless]

When? The Senate hasn't approved anything like that yet.



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I would like the opinion of some experts on this comment @F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @Deino @FuturePAF @gambit @James David @That Guy @White and Green with M/S @Ali_Baba @CallSignMaverick @Gomig-21

That guy is a fool I wonder why do you even interact with him.

-- MURAD AESA Radar ( GaN )

A big part of what makes a radar deadly is it's optimization and software algorithm and you can't just magically make your radar's algorithm better than a radar made by industry giants who have access to more data and worked on those algorithms for longer so unless you have some sort of magic wand MURAD is not going to be better than AN/APG 83 Radar.
It's just like mobile cameras an increase in megapixels does not necessarily mean a better picture than an iPhone

- FEWS Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite

Again same concept a huge part of what makes an EW Suite special is it's software optimization and algorithms, you can't jump the gun just like that, anyways what supporting proof do you have to prove that your EW suite is better than the one offered by the Americans.

-- Digital Cockpit

And what exactly is special about a digital cockpit they are more or less a common sight in modern aircrafts nowadays

National Friend-Foe Identification (IFF) System

Again, what exactly is special in your IFF system that the American one's don't have, infact if I am not wrong even current block 52's have them

National Mission Computer

Fair Enough having an indigenous mission computer makes it better than having an American mission computer as it allows you to add weapons of your own choice without relying on America

T Link ... Link-16 data link

What's so special about a data link, infact you would be relying on American sats for this data link

Multifunction Cockpit Center Display Active Matrix Liquid Crystal Display

MFD's are literally the norm in modern aircrafts, you aren't adding some sort of OLED display to your aircraft that you can claim it's MFD is better than that of Rafale, F 16 V, JF 17, Tejas, J 10 etc

Inertial Navigation System

What's so special about an INS

National Sound Safety Device

What even is this, you guys selling headphones now

TULGAR Helmet-Mounted Display System (HMDS)

How are they better than their American counterparts a huge part of what makes a HMDS special is it's ergonomics and AI, how can you claim your HMDS is better than that of let's say Israel or US who are working on HMDS for decades and have way more data to refine their HMDS

BOZDOGAN WVR Air to Air Missile
-- GOKDOGAN BVR Air to Air Missile

How are they better than their American counterparts

ASELPOD Targeting Pod

How are they better than their American counterparts, infact just like the radars targeting pods too rely heavily on software algorithms, and you need time to refine those algorithms

SOM-J next gen stealth Cruise Missile

Fair Enough it does add a special capability

AKBABA anti-radiation Missile

It's still in paper, bring it into discussion when you have an actual prototype

GOKHAN ramjet powered long range networked Air to Air Missile

You are yet to even have a ground test of a solid fuel based ramjet but are making tall claims about Ramjet powered Air to Air missiles.


Look I don't want to take away from your achievements, being able to upgrade your F 16's independently without any foreign help is a massive achievement in itself but to say your upgrades are going to be better than the American ones would be pure ignorance.
There is no way this Turkish upgrade is going to be better than the F 16 V