Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistan must stand by our Turkish Brothers , always.

 

[Zarvan]

WhT will JF - 17s do in .turkey? Do u really think tht the help Turkey would require from Pak would be JF 17s? When their airforce is already much better equipped than Pakistan? I think Turkey would require Pakistan's help in planning and strategy of this war, which Pak has immense experience in fighting, in the last decade.. They would want our intel support and coordination...not JF 17s....

We know how to do proper strikes we have used Army and Air Force most effectively and this is also symbol of our support that we stand with our brother. Finally it's time to increase our defence budget and massively increase our forces and put lots of them in middle east for ever.

 

[Pakistani E]

I say, even IF assisting Turkey, means going against the interests of Iran, then so be it.. We MUST help Turkey, in anyway... How many friends are we going to lose for Iran's sake, when Iran is closer to India already and not a strategic partner of Pak? Turkey has ALWAYS supported Pakistan.. turkey also helped us, keep our F16s operational when US sanctioned Pak.... Already we angered GCC due to Iran, ( i dont mean tht we should have gone to yemen, and bombed there..or our soldiers shd hv participated in Yemen..rather..we should have sent our men for defensive role in KSA but we handled tht in worst diplomatic manner) and gave India a free opportunity to form closer alliance with UAE... I sincerely hope, tht our foreign policy makers have learnt from tht debacle
Also i think, Turkish forces are very capable...and more advanced than Pak..and Turkey is a mature country.. They wouldnt want our armed forces in the role, tht GCC wanted.. I think they would want role of our forces for planning and strategic purposes and intel support, as Pak has immense experience , in last decade, to fight the kind of war, Turkey needs help in.....For tht, whatever we can, to help Turkey, we MUST..
Also, going by ISPR's public statements regd Turkey, where they have openly stated, tht Gen Raheel assured Turkish leadership all our support, i think we will support turkey... Otherwise ISPR would have been more cautious with their statements.. But the fact tht they openly stated tht Gen Raheel assured our full support, means we have made the decision to assist Turkey with whatever they have requested

I agree, Turkey is one ally we can't afford to lose.

 

[r0ck]

Well, if its about sharing expertise then no problems.

But, if like Yemen, this is asking for Pakistani soldiers to fight on the ground, then in my humble opinion, Pakistan should refuse.

Pakistan is neither US nor Russia. Our army, like our country, has limited resources to function.

We cannot take up the mantle for fighting wars for all of our allies. As if any allied country which has terrorist manifestations just gives us a call and we'll pounce.

And I'm surprised as to why this label "Oh if you don't agree you'll lose the ally" is so readily pasted on Pakistan.

All countries have allies and this relationship is not dependent on sending soldiers for fighting wars.

 

[Haroon Syed]

We can only guide them. No Pakistani soldier or any Pakistani should be sent there to fight their war. Moreover PKK issue is their internal one and we should not involve much into that.

 

[New World]

this is an interesting development. apparently china now is stay with kurds, and we just open a consulate in iraq kurd area. I believe china is also behind PKK in terms of fiancial and military support.

this is going to be interesting..
We are already hunting ETIM whom Turkey is supporting and now we are going to hunt PKK whom China is supporting..

balanced..

 

[Mabs]

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

Pakistan is the only muslim nation who has withstood an onslaught of terrorist insurgency in KPK, Fata and Baluchsitan---and then has stood up to a neighbor 3 ties in size militarily---.

So---basically---there is no other muslim military in the region with Pakistan unique experience and expertise.

It is very difficult to change position---from being a beggar to being a giver----. A beggar always begs and a giver always gives---that was the case with Saudi arabia and Emirates----we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---and suddenly they asked for something---and as we had no clue how to give---we refused---and we refused horribly and humiliated and degraded our well wishers.

So---again---we are at a cross roads----now turkey may want assistance---so if we give them assistance---then what would we say to emirates and Saudi arabia----.

That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.



You are right---when one is a beggar for whole of his life---it becomes next to impossible to give---.

We have given plenty, i'm not going to go into details of it because anyone who knows the region's history knows what Pak has done for the Arab states.

As far as Yemen is concerned, Pak made a wise choice. Maybe you haven't been following the Yemen conflict. It has turned into a quicksand for Saudi which threatens it's territorial integrity as well as economic viability. Tribes close to the Yemen border are agitating due to their cultural affinity with Yemen as well as years of neglect by Riyadh.

Saudi could not overpower the rebels with air power and now the only option left is to put boots on the ground. Are you in favor of Pakistani ground troops in Yemen because that's the only thing which will win this war now - boots on the ground.

 

[Rasengan]

We have given plenty, i'm not going to go into details of it because anyone who knows the region's history knows what Pak has done for the Arab states.

Pakistan under no circumstances should become a clientele state where our foreign policy should be dictated on the national interests of others, because we are not subservient towards the Arab Sheikhs who need to shift their rear end to resolve their own problems. The economic trade between the Emirate peripheries with India before the crisis of Yemen transpired was $70 billion therefore the concept of ummah was pushed under the rug.

 

[Sipahi]

The best we can do is to train their boys in our counter terrorism schools and show them how to counter terrorists...

 

[The Vicious Kind]

We can and must help turkey in any way possible.Turkey has always took up our stance on Kashmir. Subsequently we support their case against PKK.

I highly doubt that they want military equipment, cause i think they are much better armed than us .Additionally, unlike GCC they dont want our troops either, because they themselves have a fairly large army. What i believe they do want is our expertise in the art of low-intensity COIN warfare , which we have mastered over the course of a decade.

 

[Roybot]

That's where tough decision regarding forign policy comes in. its the British who divided the lands, after second world war, in such a manner that there will be always instability. As far is turkey is concerned its the past was the ottoman empire and it stretched from the Atlantic ocean to the Indian ocean. so yeah Kurdistan was part of Ottoman empire. As same as Indian states were one by one conquered by the Mughals and then the British combined all states into one for administrative unit. As far as Kashimir is concerned? that is the legitimate part of Pakistan as it ceded to Pakistan during the partition which Hindu leaders caused by not giving into the 14 points of Mohammad Ali Jinnah who was also a congressman once and tried as much as possible to avert the partition and considered it only the last resort, for safeguarding the rights of the minorities in India just like they are under threat at the moment under current Indian regime. Like it or not Pakistan was destined to be the insurance policy for the minorities of India. Jinnah in an interview said once that Pakistan will have similar relations with India as Canada has with USA!

read below
"Jinnah insisted on a US-Canada type relationship between India and Pakistan with, open and permeable borders; and even wanted to retire in his beloved city, Bombay. However, he died too early and Gandhi, while fasting for the rights of Pakistanis, was killed by an Hindu extremist (note the absence of this fact in the Indian discourse — Hindutva terror started with Gandhi’s assassination)."
‘Jinnah’s Pakistan’ is not dead - The Express Tribune

You can't chose a point of reference, a cut of point in history, to suit your agenda.

"Kurdistan" was always a part of Ottoman Empire, well Kashmir was part of the Sikh and Dogra Empire, and so was a lot of parts of what is now Pakistan. Just because a piece of land was part of some Imperial force a couple of centuries back doesn't mean it needs to, today as well.

You can't say for example that Kashmiris deserve right to self-determination and Kurds do not, simply because Kurdish regions have been under Turk rule., and if you do that makes you a hypocrite. Its a moral stand, either you stand up for the right to self determination for every group, or you don't for anyone.

 

[cyrusthevirus]

Pakistan supporting Turkey against ISIS will be the best thing to happen for India. Iran will allow India to have military bases in Iran on Pakistan border.

 

[Kakaspai]

Pakistan supporting Turkey against ISIS will be the best thing to happen for India. Iran will allow India to have military bases in Iran on Pakistan border.

Day dreaming is a fascinating thing

 

[In arduis fidelis]

Pakistan supporting Turkey against ISIS will be the best thing to happen for India. Iran will allow India to have military bases in Iran on Pakistan border.

Why would that be?
I thought we will be doing them a favor by taking out competition for Assad regime.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Islamabad: Turkey seeks Pakistan’s cooperation in the former’s decisive operation against the Kurdish guerrilla group PKK and the Islamic State, in a development that will test Islamabad’s diplomatic skills to deal with the delicate situation, The Express Tribune has learned.

The request for Pakistan’s support came from the Turkish leadership during talks with Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif, who wrapped up his three-day visit to Turkey’s capital Ankara on Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the discussions between Gen Raheel and Turkey’s top civil and military authorities disclosed that Ankara was looking towards Islamabad for greater anti-terror cooperation as Turkey faced its current challenges.

However, specific details regarding the nature of help Turkey seeks from Pakistan have not been made available.

Turkey is increasingly concerned over threats to its territorial integrity after the United States started withdrawing the Patriot missile systems along its border with Syria this month.

Ankara is not happy with the US move, as Turkey needs the missile system in the backdrop of the current unrest in Syria. Sources said the US move could be the reason why Turkey was now looking towards Pakistan for crucial support.

So far it is unclear how far Islamabad is willing to support Ankara in Turkey’s fight against Kurdish rebels and IS (also known by its Arabic acronym Da’ish), although the army chief has extended ‘total support’ to the Turkish leadership in tackling their current security challenges.

A source said Pakistan could extend material support as well as share its expertise in dealing with insurgency
and terrorism.

On the last day of his visit, Gen Raheel visited the war academy in Turkey and exchanged views with the participants on Pakistan’s successful experience in fighting terrorism, said the chief military spokesman.

Lt Gen Asim Bajwa said the army chief also met the Turkish foreign minister to discuss the regional security situation.

Gen Raheel travelled to Turkey at a time when the country is engaged in two separate battles with the PKK and Da’ish.

In the recent weeks Turkey has stepped up its campaign against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (commonly known as PPK) and the IS.

The PKK, mainly based in northern Iraq and southern Turkey, has been engaged in a bloody insurgency for more than 30 years and demanding self-determination for the Kurds.

This July the three-year ceasefire between Turkey and the PKK ended after the Turkish forces targeted the rebels’ hideouts in northern Iraq to wipe out the group.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 15th, 2015.
Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS - The Express Tribune

We should help turkey in planning,intel, as well as by conducting air strikes.But no soldier should be deployed on the ground.Their lives are too precious to be wasted their.
But I still donot agree with @Zarvan and @MastanKhan POV.We had done brilliantly by not engaging in a sectarian war by not helping GCC.We would have lost more than gaining anything.