Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

[Roybot]

No right to self-determination for the Kurds?

 

[Maira La]

we are not running a Mercenary army here. if they want that they can contact blackwater..Saudia by helping us in aid does not own us or our people. we reserve the right to help or not anyone for that matter specially when it comes to manpower. each solider is a our brother and citizen and we will not put our brothers in harms way for any amount of oil or money unnecessarily for that matter, unless we really have to. Saudia was acting as if we are karaay ka ghunday, i am surprized at our reaction of acting as if we were the defaulters, it should have been clear and swift.

They expect nothing less than free slavery from their eternal Islamic subjects. It's sad that not too many Pakistanis share your pov. There's this massive nationwide Saudi sponsored Salafi brigade willing to sacrifice your country for a "greater cause"!

 

[Devil Soul]

Being well armed & equipped is not the only perameter of success in fight against terror group hidding in diff mountains, terrians & within population

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

We have to help them at any cost . There are very few trustworthy allies of Pakistan and Turkey is among them .

 

[Farah Sohail]

Turkey has been there for us through thick and thin. I say support them with whatever assistance they request.



Well the decision to not go into Yemen was taken on the grounds of the effect this would have with one of our neighbours. We already have two hostile neighbours. Having three with whom we share roughly 80%+ of our border would create huge problems for our armed forces especially given the precarious situation in balochistan and the initiation of the CPEC.

With regards to Turkeys request for assistance this does not go against the interests of Iran as far as I can see. Kurdish seperstism exists in Iran as well and although the Iranian regime has supported the PKK in the past, in recent decades this support has toned down. Further IS poses a direct threat to the shia Iranian allies in Iraq. In essense supporting Turkey would not jeopardize our relationship with Iran like supporting the khaleejis would have done in Yemen. Different scenarios. That's what we can tell the Khaleejis. Further the Yemen war is going to end in nobody's victory. Houthis are Taliban v2.0. They won't fight the Pakistani army head on but will instead run into their caves and mountains and even if they lose there our jawans will suffer heavy losses.

I say, even IF assisting Turkey, means going against the interests of Iran, then so be it.. We MUST help Turkey, in anyway... How many friends are we going to lose for Iran's sake, when Iran is closer to India already and not a strategic partner of Pak? Turkey has ALWAYS supported Pakistan.. turkey also helped us, keep our F16s operational when US sanctioned Pak.... Already we angered GCC due to Iran, ( i dont mean tht we should have gone to yemen, and bombed there..or our soldiers shd hv participated in Yemen..rather..we should have sent our men for defensive role in KSA but we handled tht in worst diplomatic manner) and gave India a free opportunity to form closer alliance with UAE... I sincerely hope, tht our foreign policy makers have learnt from tht debacle
Also i think, Turkish forces are very capable...and more advanced than Pak..and Turkey is a mature country.. They wouldnt want our armed forces in the role, tht GCC wanted.. I think they would want role of our forces for planning and strategic purposes and intel support, as Pak has immense experience , in last decade, to fight the kind of war, Turkey needs help in.....For tht, whatever we can, to help Turkey, we MUST..
Also, going by ISPR's public statements regd Turkey, where they have openly stated, tht Gen Raheel assured Turkish leadership all our support, i think we will support turkey... Otherwise ISPR would have been more cautious with their statements.. But the fact tht they openly stated tht Gen Raheel assured our full support, means we have made the decision to assist Turkey with whatever they have requested

 

[Tipu7]

even IF assisting Turkey, means going against the interests of Iran, then so be it.. We MUST help Turkey, in anyway.

Spirit !!!

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

Pakistan is the only muslim nation who has withstood an onslaught of terrorist insurgency in KPK, Fata and Baluchsitan---and then has stood up to a neighbor 3 ties in size militarily---.

So---basically---there is no other muslim military in the region with Pakistan unique experience and expertise.

It is very difficult to change position---from being a beggar to being a giver----. A beggar always begs and a giver always gives---that was the case with Saudi arabia and Emirates----we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---and suddenly they asked for something---and as we had no clue how to give---we refused---and we refused horribly and humiliated and degraded our well wishers.

So---again---we are at a cross roads----now turkey may want assistance---so if we give them assistance---then what would we say to emirates and Saudi arabia----.

That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.



You are right---when one is a beggar for whole of his life---it becomes next to impossible to give---.

That is what I am saying, Yemen war is not over we can still send at least 8 to 10 JF-17 there and 8 to 10 JF-17 in Turkey to do the job, also 10000 troops each on both fronts. We can also send intelligence operatives on ground to do the work and guide GCC and Turkish Forces. Even if we are not the beggars still we can't afford a crisis in middle east, Sir that crisis sooner or later would burn Pakistan also.

 

[massattack]

This proves how much Pakistan efforts are acknowledged on global scale related to anti terrorism. Friendly countries now began to believe that Pakistan has real solution to wipe out insurgents supported by foreign powers and that's the reason they are seeking help.
Pakistan is only country to appear victorious in non conventional war even after facing damage of decade under worst economic and social conditions. A tough task in which super powers failed, Pakistan achieved.

Allhumulliah. Thanks to Allah almighty and quick thinking by R&R. we couldnt have won this war without fully utilizing the capabilities ISI ,SSG and most of all PAF.

 

[I S I]

Heart says F YES
Mind says HELL NO

 

[pigtaker]

this is an interesting development. apparently china now is stay with kurds, and we just open a consulate in iraq kurd area. I believe china is also behind PKK in terms of fiancial and military support.

 

[Farah Sohail]

That is what I am saying, Yemen war is not over we can still send at least 8 to 10 JF-17 there and 8 to 10 JF-17 in Turkey to do the job, also 10000 troops each on both fronts. We can also send intelligence operatives on ground to do the work and guide GCC and Turkish Forces. Even if we are not the beggars still we can't afford a crisis in middle east, Sir that crisis sooner or later would burn Pakistan also.

WhT will JF - 17s do in .turkey? Do u really think tht the help Turkey would require from Pak would be JF 17s? When their airforce is already much better equipped than Pakistan? I think Turkey would require Pakistan's help in planning and strategy of this war, which Pak has immense experience in fighting, in the last decade.. They would want our intel support and coordination...not JF 17s....

 

[In arduis fidelis]

Helping Turkey is a must at this point of time.It is one of the few islamic brother countries which can influence global desicions.Leaving them at this critical moment to deal with a menace we know so well means we weaken the best support we have in case of any un eventuality.There can be no second opinion on this.
Moving on sending troops is not the only way we can help.I am sure Turkish armed forces are more then capable of holding their own against any and all threats.What they need is our unmatched skill and tactics in dealing with these dogs.This can be shared by conducting exercises and courses.A few operatives from Zarrar unit embedded into turkish units can do a wonderful job of transferring this knowledge.I am sure GHQ will be not give a second thought on sharing our tactics with Turkey of all the countries.
Leaving them at their own would only result in our isolation.

 

[massattack]

No right to self-determination for the Kurds?

That's where tough decision regarding forign policy comes in. its the British who divided the lands, after second world war, in such a manner that there will be always instability. As far is turkey is concerned its the past was the ottoman empire and it stretched from the Atlantic ocean to the Indian ocean. so yeah Kurdistan was part of Ottoman empire. As same as Indian states were one by one conquered by the Mughals and then the British combined all states into one for administrative unit. As far as Kashimir is concerned? that is the legitimate part of Pakistan as it ceded to Pakistan during the partition which Hindu leaders caused by not giving into the 14 points of Mohammad Ali Jinnah who was also a congressman once and tried as much as possible to avert the partition and considered it only the last resort, for safeguarding the rights of the minorities in India just like they are under threat at the moment under current Indian regime. Like it or not Pakistan was destined to be the insurance policy for the minorities of India. Jinnah in an interview said once that Pakistan will have similar relations with India as Canada has with USA!

read below
"Jinnah insisted on a US-Canada type relationship between India and Pakistan with, open and permeable borders; and even wanted to retire in his beloved city, Bombay. However, he died too early and Gandhi, while fasting for the rights of Pakistanis, was killed by an Hindu extremist (note the absence of this fact in the Indian discourse — Hindutva terror started with Gandhi’s assassination)."
‘Jinnah’s Pakistan’ is not dead - The Express Tribune

 

[A2Z]

We should help Turkey in every possible way. However i am of opinion that helping the Turks should not effect the ongoing operations, finally thanks to Allah, He has awarded our army's efforts with some peace and good days are back in sight. I also agree with @Zarvan that we should increase the size of our armed forces cause now that we have survived and almost eleminated terrorism we have a bigger role it play

 

[Pakistani E]

This scenario is totally different from that of Yemen/Saudi issue. Turkey is facing immediate internal threats as both of these terrorist organisations have the capability to strike inside Turkey. This is an insurgency compared to the other scanerio where it was an invasion. Pakistan should provide what it can, but remember we are fightin multiple insurgencies of our own. It really depends on the type of help that they require and whether we can stretch ourselves to accomdate those wishes.

I would tentatively support extending help to Turkey.