Turkey-Russia Relations ( Interview with Dmitry Peskov )

[[TR]AHMET]

How so?

In russian ottoman wars, it was the ottomans who were the aggressors at the beginning. They wanted to invade destroy Russia. Later they were taught a very big lesson. Just like Hitler, napoleon etc were. Turks should see this as their mistake, they could have maintained good relations with russian empire, but instead they dreamed of conquering us.

Muslims of Russia are free to practice their religion openly. Last year 500000 muslims prayed at Moscow streets for Eid.

Firstly Turks are not hate to Russians but we don't like the cominist ideas you know you were killed millions muslims in Caucasia, Balkans, Crimea and other places in the cominism times. Crimea area, Balkans and Caucasia are Turkish area but at the this time there are anybody so for example only 200.000 Crimen Turks lived in Ukraina now but it place Turkish area in history and if you did'nt kill anything maybe they have 20 Million Turks population or more and more in Ukraine...

We conquered your lands in the history many times but we never touch to your peoples and other peoples, you have already huge population, your language and religion not changed also we only took to your taxes. But Russia in the cominism times allways killed people, changed their language and religion. You know when our power falled, all nation hurt to us a lot so this was not mercy and fair...

Goldenarmy in 1241-1502

Cominist China already killed people they have killed 60 million people in the 60 years... only 35 millions Uyghur Turks. Cominism not a good idea! this idea killed people and bully...

We fighted to Russians in the history many times because of we wanted to go west and you were on the our way. If we never fighted with you maybe we could capture the more europe area

Russians allways was our best enemies in the history they were fighting well against us. If army against army it is ok, there isn't any problem we can do it but innocent-unarmed peoples are killing this is not good.

However world has changed we can't fighting like the history also modern war with techology, economy and policy. If we are again enter the real war many world country may be involved in the war also this is mean WW3 and WW3 brings stink!

Peace, Regards.

 

[lem34]

We must learn from the French English and German history. I think the French and English had on one occasion a hundred year war. Wars and conflict are futile and even winners are losers. We need to focus on the present and the future. The OP is good news Russia and Turkey need to increase trade and make the lives of their people more prosperous.

 

[Saif_ullah]

What turkey is doin? on one side they are helping nato and on other side they show that they are friend of russia

 

[BronzePlaque]

Firstly Turks are not hate to Russians but we don't like the cominist ideas you know you were killed millions muslims in Caucasia, Balkans, Crimea and other places in the cominism times. Crimea area, Balkans and Caucasia are Turkish area but at the this time there are anybody so for example only 200.000 Crimen Turks lived in Ukraina now but it place Turkish area in history and if you did'nt kill anything maybe they have 20 Million Turks population or more and more in Ukraine...

We conquered your lands in the history many times but we never touch to your peoples and other peoples, you have already huge population, your language and religion not changed also we only took to your taxes. But Russia in the cominism times allways killed people, changed their language and religion. You know when our power falled, all nation hurt to us a lot so this was not mercy and fair...

Goldenarmy in 1241-1502

Cominist China already killed people they have killed 60 million people in the 60 years... only 35 millions Uyghur Turks. Cominism not a good idea! this idea killed people and bully...

We fighted to Russians in the history many times because of we wanted to go west and you were on the our way. If we never fighted with you maybe we could capture the more europe area

Russians allways was our best enemies in the history they were fighting well against us. If army against army it is ok, there isn't any problem we can do it but innocent-unarmed peoples are killing this is not good.

However world has changed we can't fighting like the history also modern war with techology, economy and policy. If we are again enter the real war many world country may be involved in the war also this is mean WW3 and WW3 brings stink!

Peace, Regards.

Communism has nothing to do with it..Its the mentality Soviets had that caused Turkey to lean towards Nato..Remember, those communists helped Turkey in her Independence War

What turkey is doin? on one side they are helping nato and on other side they show that they are friend of russia

So? Whats the problem here? Please explain

 

[Saithan]

Some people can only see the world in shades of black and white. They have either sunglasses on or are colour blind. My Turkey is as many coloured as a rainbow

 

[lem34]

What turkey is doin? on one side they are helping nato and on other side they show that they are friend of russia

maybe long term if they are offered an alternative they will change I think with the embryonic stages of the SCO if that develops China Russia Pakistan Iran, Then Turkey can play a pivot and important role either as a mediator with Nato cos of its location etc or even more

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Well I love Russia. And Ruski voda.

Are you Turkish?

 

[ovarel]

I see. This is the trait I noticed in Turkish members here too. They seem to (irrationally) consider whole Central Asia, Xinxiang of China and siberians as their "own people". Maybe ottomans considered the same at that time. Russian Empire included Alaska and California once upon a time. We sold them to USA, do we consider Alaskans and Californians as our "own people"? I find this grossly irrational.

Yes, there was no reason to initiate hostilities with Russia. Ottomans were already facing the Crusaders charging from Europe. Foolishly, in the 1500s they initiated conflict with Russian Empire when Russia conquered Astrakhan khanate. Ottomans were very powerful at that time, still they lost. Eventually, this lead to a series of wars over the next 500 years, almost all of whom Ottomans lost, eventually they were destroyed, like all previous invaders of Russia.

You keep saying non-existing things such as Turkish hatred for Russia.

Yet,when i look at your posts its you who has hatred for Turks.

Btw,its the Brits who destroyed the Ottoman Empire not your beloved Russia.

 

[King Solomon]

you are a funny dude!

Go back to your taliban hideout.

If you want to bring Islam into this, then you must know that almost every single Muslim empire aligned itself with "Rome". The Ottomans were the only one that decided to change this.

Surah Tul Rome. - In that Surah we are told that Rome was defeated, but in a few year time Rome will be victorious. Who is Rome? Rome is not in Italy, Rome is Russia.

Many of the Soviet countries were Rome. The main reason why the Americans have overtaken much of the world with their installed dictators/presidents - it's mainly because of who? Of Russia of course!

Russia & Islam UNITE as Number 1 ALLIES! - YouTube

Nope, Rum was the sworn enemy of all previous Islamic empires. Early Islamic empires fought and conquered territories from Rum and Sassanid empires.

Yes, it does say that "Rum will overcome" in that Sura. Rum being defeated may refer to the conquest of Fatih Sultan Mehmet in 1453 of the capital of Rum (constantinople). "Overcoming" may refer to the rise of the Russian empire and present day Russia, which is a superpower.

His lecture only discusses the part "alliance of rum", not the full hadiths.If you read the full hadiths you will know that the alliance between Rum and muslims would be short lived and eventually, Russia would expand to include constantinople, Caucasus and whole Anatolia. There will be no turkey at that time and God knows best.

Maybe because of provocations from someone named as S_19? I' cant stand your bloody hatespeeches anymore!

We never ever had problems with anybody until you came.

hehehe I know what you mean, he is nothing like my Chinese friend i've known since grade school. It's like he is an "american" from the US. If you've met some americans you'll know that they have a special aura about them, repulsive.

Khahanates were also Turk ofcourse we'll defend it, and it is not a so long time ago when Tatar Turks used to rule Russia, btw we never lost 1vs1 on the battlefield against You!!

You only dared to face us with england and the others combined 1 Vs 1 we owned you just easily as we owned the western europeans!!

The only time among 8 Russo turkish wars you won was when you made an alliance with British and French in Crimean war. Other than that, you lost almost all wars with Russian Empire who was the lone party.

 

[King Solomon]

Firstly Turks are not hate to Russians but we don't like the cominist ideas you know you were killed millions muslims in Caucasia, Balkans, Crimea and other places in the cominism times. Crimea area, Balkans and Caucasia are Turkish area but at the this time there are anybody so for example only 200.000 Crimen Turks lived in Ukraina now but it place Turkish area in history and if you did'nt kill anything maybe they have 20 Million Turks population or more and more in Ukraine...

Cominist China already killed people they have killed 60 million people in the 60 years... only 35 millions Uyghur Turks. Cominism not a good idea! this idea killed people and bully...

I am not a fan of communism but your figures are extremely exaggerated. Anyway, it is legal to quash anti-state movements that's what communist Russia and China did. Isn't that what Turkey did in Armenia too. Why don't you cover both sides of the coin?

I don't sympathise with PKK, however, going by your logic, isn't Turkey massacring PKK who wants an independent Kurdistan? Why doesn't Turkey hold referendum? It is absolutely legal to use force to quash down anti-state elements. Do you sympathise with pakistani talibans who killed 100000 civilians so far? Why do you engage in double standards? Do you sympathise with tens of thousands of PKK massacred? No right? So, why do you blame China when it is only killing terrorist Uighurs who carry out bomb blasts and other terrorist activities just like PKK does in turkey, just like Taliban does in pakistan, just like Armenians did in Ottoman?

Again, it is absolutely legitimate to use force to quash anti state elements.

 

[BronzePlaque]

Nope, Rum was the sworn enemy of all previous Islamic empires. Early Islamic empires fought and conquered territories from Rum and Sassanid empires.

Yes, it does say that "Rum will overcome" in that Sura. Rum being defeated may refer to the conquest of Fatih Sultan Mehmet in 1453 of the capital of Rum (constantinople). "Overcoming" may refer to the rise of the Russian empire and present day Russia, which is a superpower.

His lecture only discusses the part "alliance of rum", not the full hadiths.If you read the full hadiths you will know that the alliance between Rum and muslims would be short lived and eventually, Russia would expand to include constantinople, Caucasus and whole Anatolia. There will be no turkey at that time and God knows best.

We have been through this before..This is your interpretation from those Hadiths which is highly flawed and vague..And indeed Allah knows the best

 

[King Solomon]

You keep saying non-existing things such as Turkish hatred for Russia.

Yet,when i look at your posts its you who has hatred for Turks.

Btw,its the Brits who destroyed the Ottoman Empire not your beloved Russia.

I hold Turkish secularism as a model for Islamic countries. The only Islamic scholar I like is from Turkey. I am just against Turkish hypocrisy. You cry about China and Russia yet you commit massacres and ethnic cleansing in Cyprus, Armenia and Kurdistan. You are still committing massacres and genocides in Afghanistan, Iraq etc on behalf of NATO. And are thinking of massacring Syrian people right now. You would have already massacred Syrians by now had China and Russia not intervened.

We have been through this before..This is your interpretation from those Hadiths which is highly flawed and vague..And indeed Allah knows the best

And that is your presumption.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

I am not a fan of communism but your figures are extremely exaggerated. Anyway, it is legal to quash anti-state movements that's what communist Russia and China did. Isn't that what Turkey did in Armenia too. Why don't you cover both sides of the coin?

I don't sympathise with PKK, however, going by your logic, isn't Turkey massacring PKK who wants an independent Kurdistan? Why doesn't Turkey hold referendum? It is absolutely legal to use force to quash down anti-state elements. Do you sympathise with pakistani talibans who killed 100000 civilians so far? Why do you engage in double standards? Do you sympathise with tens of thousands of PKK massacred? No right? So, why do you blame China when it is only killing terrorist Uighurs who carry out bomb blasts and other terrorist activities just like PKK does in turkey, just like Taliban does in pakistan, just like Armenians did in Ottoman?

Again, it is absolutely legitimate to use force to quash anti state elements.

Mate, you don't know a lot of thing... Armenians never found evidence about so-called genocide (photos, mass grave or others) and we have a lot of photos, mass grave and others about Armenian massacres to Turks also we have lossed hundreds of thousands peoples.

a few source
Introduction to Armenian Issue - FORSNET

ERMENLERN YAPTII KATLAMLARDAN FOTORAFLAR

and we can live with Kurdish people very well so we haven't any problem of them. for example Turgut Ozal was Prime Minister of Turkey, he was a Kurdish Turgut Özal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only atheist, marxist Kurdish and some Armenian using against to us by foreign forces. Other Kurdish people understandable and not problematic for us. They have already equal rights with us and other all nations in Turkey.

Anyway we can agree another nations if they understandable and well intention.

Regards.

 

[ovarel]

Its really funny how Turks here try to explain the facts to this guy.He doesnt know anything,he is just trying to throw muds.Look at his last reply to me.He is out of his element and he doesnt know what he is talking about.

From now on,i am going to ignore him.

 

[King Solomon]

Mate, you don't know a lot of thing... Armenians never found evidence about so-called genocide (photos, mass grave or others) and we have a lot of photos, mass grave and others about Armenian massacres to Turks also we have lossed hundreds of thousands peoples.

a few source
Introduction to Armenian Issue - FORSNET

ERMENLERN YAPTII KATLAMLARDAN FOTORAFLAR

and we can live with Kurdish people very well so we haven't any problem of them. for example Turgut Ozal was Prime Minister of Turkey, he was a Kurdish Turgut Özal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only atheist, marxist Kurdish and some Armenian using against to us by foreign forces. Other Kurdish people understandable and not problematic for us. They have already equal rights with us and other all nations in Turkey.

Anyway we can agree another nations if they understandable and well intention.

Regards.

THank you for the info. I will research more on the Armenian issue.

As for Kurdish I already said it is absolutely legal for Turkey or any other country to quash anti state elements. PKK are a separatist movement and it is absolutely legal for PKK to be destroyed by Turkish army.

However, problem arises when you accuse Russia and China of "genocide". Just like your PKK who bombs your cities, the terrorists in Russia (Chechen militants) and in China (Uighur militants) also carries out bomb blasts and anarchies. So, they must be obliterated, just like PKK.

Take for example Pakistani taliban. They carry out bomb blasts on daily basis and have killed 100000 pakistani muslims so far. So far about 40k terrorists were killed in total. So, would it make sense if you sympathise the "massacre" and "genocide" of Pakistani taliban by the army?

All I am against is double standards. I have respect for Turkey.