Featured Turkey proposes 'protection force' for Palestine in emergency OIC meet; Pakistan and Malaysia endorse

[Enigma_]

I agree Turkey is talking out of its a*s. They're bound by the US as well. Pakistan needs to go North East towards the Dragon as always.

But Pakistan must not forget that the US needs them more than any other country in the region -- especially with the current alignment in the world. They'll come around themselves. The delusional Americans still believe that India will help them against their arch nemesis' in Russia and China. Soon, the Americans will realize the mistake they've made by picking India as their regional partner. Watch them run back to Pakistan and beg them to reset the relationship. Remember Churchill's words about the Americans.

 

[VCheng]

There are two aspects.
Does Palestine belong to palestine?
Is palestine is a Muslim Issue also?
Pakestenian were original natives of the land before even when jews conquered it under Saul in early 11 century BCE.

jews were exiled a 2nd time in 70 AD and only started returning from 1920"s on about Usmani Caliphate was abolished. They were given a state by USA, UK. France. And Palestinians were exiled in turn.
Yaroshelem was under jordan till 1967.
So it is an occupation. And land belongs to Palestenians. Israel is a defacto ruler over Palestine and AlAqsa but not de jure.

There is an spiritual aspect, but we leave it there.

Considering that Jerusalem has several thousand years of history, and similarly for the mosque, rule over it has changed many many times over human history. 1967 is only a recent step, and who know how long it might last. However, nothing in what you have said says that all Muslims have an obligation to demand rule over Al-Aqsa. There is no such obligation from a legal or even spiritual point of view that I can reference. If you have any such supporting source, please educate me.

 

[Enigma_]

Considering that Jerusalem has several thousand years of history, and similarly for the mosque, rule over it has changed many many times over human history. 1967 is only a recent step, and who know how long it might last. However, nothing in what you have said says that all Muslims have an obligation to demand rule over Al-Aqsa. There is no such obligation from a legal or even spiritual point of view that I can reference. If you have any such supporting source, please educate me.

The Israelis want to destroy Al Aqsa.

Also, the only ones that have prevented from doing so are the Americans and Europeans.

 

[VCheng]

The Israelis want to destroy Al Aqsa.

Also, the only ones that have prevented from doing so are the Americans and Europeans.

Last time I checked, it was still there. Allah will surely protect what exists with His blessings. No one can change that at all. Ever.

 

[Enigma_]

Last time I checked, it was still there. Allah will surely protect what exists with His blessings. No one can change that at all. Ever.

I agree. But, I am talking from a geopolitical pov. All the mechanisms of this world are done by Allah.

 

[VCheng]

I agree. But, I am talking from a geopolitical pov. All the mechanisms of this world are done by Allah.

From a geopolitical standpoint, I am quite sure that Israel will not take any sudden rash steps that could jeopardize its own safety.

 

[Enigma_]

From a geopolitical standpoint, I am quite sure that Israel will not take any sudden rash steps that could jeopardize its own safety.

The Israelis are batsh*t insane. They project their extremist ideology on to their enemies. All their military strength and wisdom comes from central command in the US of A.

 

[Total Destruction]

We have to be smart about the Israeli issue.
first of all we have to know Israelis are well supported by U.S , Europe and probably Russia, not to mention the Nuclear power they posses. these are the main strong points about Israel that makes a shield around it.

however, Israel has many weakness points , the small area they live on , the presence of Hamas and resistance groups and ethnic groups. this ethnic groups points is very important if we wanted to at least shake Israel from the Inside. see , the Ashkenazi jews view themselves as the top ties of the jewish society comes after them the Sephardim and Mizrahi not to mention there is at least 150,000 Ethiopian Jews and Black immigrants that face discrimination.
watch this video

that's how the treat the black jews , same like what happens in the U.S.
we should play on racism card , jews try to spread hatred among muslim nations to hate each other, let's play their card and spread it among their people whom already hate each others.

 

[Wood]

The Arab countries can try economic sanctions against Israel and countries that support Israeli action in Palestine. US and Europe have legit business interests in middle east and therefore could pressure Israel to backdown for compromise.

Military action like 'protection force' will not likely materialize. Even if it does, will not succeed.

 

[VCheng]

The Israelis are batsh*t insane. They project their extremist ideology on to their enemies. All their military strength and wisdom comes from central command in the US of A.

Insane they may be, but they would like to survive, and therefore they will not take any sudden or rash steps that can jeopardize their existence.

The Arab countries can try economic sanctions against Israel and countries that support Israeli action in Palestine. US and Europe have legit business interests in middle east and therefore could pressure Israel to backdown for compromise.

Military action like 'protection force' will not likely materialize. Even if it does, will not succeed.

That is a very good suggestion.

 

[Enigma_]

Insane they may be, but they would like to survive, and therefore they will not take any sudden or rash steps that can jeopardize their existence.


That is a very good suggestion.

They don't ever make decisions on their own. It is a US military outpost. In the literal sense of the word. That's why they don't make "rash" decisions. The US will never let the lunatic asylums in Israel (their actual population) run the show.

 

[VCheng]

They don't ever make decisions on their own. It is a US military outpost. In the literal sense of the word. That's why they don't make "rash" decisions. The US will never let the lunatic asylums in Israel (their actual population) run the show.

So that is a good thing, then.

 

[Enigma_]

So that is a good thing, then.

Of course. The Americans are rational but they are very divided on how to approach the problem at hand. They have a billion foreign policy makers trying to advance their agenda. When the going finally gets to the point of absolute catastrophe then their hand is forced to make the right decision. And they will make the right decision, at the end.

 

[VCheng]

Of course. The Americans are rational but they are very divided on how to approach the problem at hand. They have a billion foreign policy makers trying to advance their agenda. When the going finally get to the point where their hand is forced to make the right decision. And they will, right at the end.

As Churchill once famously quipped, the Americans can always be relied upon to do the right ting, after trying everything else.

 

[Enigma_]

As Churchill once famously quipped, the Americans can always be relied upon to do the right ting, after trying everything else.

That's what I am referring to; Churchill knew them inside out.