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Turkey is finished - Pepe Escobar

Now, I am not interested in discussing the technicalities and theoretical outcomes of a clash between F-16 and advanced Russian Jet Fighters. However, assuming that an F-16 does not have the capability to shoot down latest Russian Jet Fighters in a [real conflict] is utterly idiotic. Dog-fights are nearly irrelevant in a modern conflict in the airspace; important factors are radar coverage, situational awareness, missiles types and timely decisions.

USA brought F-15C first time in Middle East to counter SU-30. They did not even deploy them during gulf war.
Dont over estimate F-16 capabilities. They are great fighter for 90% of the cases but not good enough when the adversary like Russia field their best.

 
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Thought it's somehow related to Pablo Escobar. Anyway, Turkey's far from finished. The strike had to be conducted with U.S backing.
 
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USA brought F-15C first time in Middle East to counter SU-30. They did not even deploy them during gulf war.
Dont over estimate F-16 capabilities. They are great fighter for 90% of the cases but not good enough when the adversary like Russia field their best.


Bangla doesn't even have any F-16s, what do you know about it ? Shit posts, shit posts everywhere..
 
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Putin tried to Play bully in Ukraine and Syria. And got smacked by Turkey and NATO grinning behind the curtains.

The irrelevant postings of chinese and Indian fanboys will not Change the fact that russia already abondoned the western/russian partnership to be the new bogeyman in eurasia.

Putin is a political pawn. he has absolutely Zero powerprojection capability. It is just funny. Maybe his chinese "allies" should help him out now. Otherwise Putin is becoming more pathetic every day from now on.

Maybe it would be wise for China to abondone russia completly and focuse on western/China partnership.

bye bye russia..

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NATO will never fight Russia for a rogue muslim country, treat or no treaty.

If Russia decides to wipe out Turkey, NATO will warn but won't fire a single shot against Russia.

Turkish Air Force has a bunch of outdated F-16s and that's it, taking on the Su-30 and Su-35.....dream on.

Turkey is a weak military hiding behind NATO, but in a war against Russia, Turkey is all alone.



Russia has said they will retaliate if they are attacked and already the Russian missile cruiser is giving air cover.

Russia will dare Turkey to do it again.

Russia should bomb the Turkmen and bait the Turks.

1: Turkey is the strongest country in the middle east and is one of the most strongest in Europe. Russia cant do shit to them.

2: ... Look up the Air Force arsenal of Turkey; they have the latest blocks, they also have several hundred F-35s in order.

3: Turkey is not alone.

4: Pakistan has shot down 7 Russian jets before, what did they do? Nothing; Russia tried involving KGB operations in Pakistan, what happend? They lost Afghanistan and eventually collapsed.
 
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I don't know if you sarcastically put "absolutely" or you actually agree with that retard's post.

If you do though, you're an equal retard.

Hey, be civil. Calling my name doesn't make you more than a retard.


Turkey...and Turkey alone...is the entire Eastern front of Europe against Russia. Turkey is the most powerful nation of Eastern-Central Europe with a massive military, hundreds of modern fighter jets, a huge modern naval fleet, a near trillion dollar economy, 80 million population, and a decently big territory with mountains, lakes, and so on.

It would be VERY hard for Russians to invade and just run-over Turkey. It is literally impossible. Turkey will protect eastern flank before West/US can mobilize.

Without Turkey, Russians will just swim through Eastern European plains crushing punny, irrelevant countries like Hungry, Romania, and even Poland etc. There's barely any geographic barriers to slow down Russian advance--forget about any formidable military.

So, the idea that NATO won't do anything if Russia attacks Turkey is merely a brain fart.

1. any country, Turkey or not, is a walk in a park for the US, China and Russia, if any of the latter 3 really wants to attack it without thinking any consequences whatsoever (e.g. pollution, Geneva convention, civilian casualties, etc) .

Turkey's AF F-16 can't even beat air forces of the South Korea or Japan, and they think they are someone who can face Russia?

If Russia wants to start WW3, even without nukes, the Ruskies can bomb Turkey into the stone age in no time:

Turkish F-16s can handle Su 27s, Mig 29s, Su 30s, Su 35s; S 300 , S 400...?
Does Turkey even have a decent long range air defence?
Or maybe the Turks are actually a secret sat/space weapon super power? tell me about it.
just to randomly name one, have you heard of Eskandar tactical missile ?
let alone all other Russian cruise missiles, all sorts of precision-strike weapons, stealth and otherwise...

Without air defence, all the tanks of Turkey army would become practice targets for hundres of armed-to-the-teeth Russian HELOS, and all the ground fixed assets would become practice targets of Russian bombers, cruise missiles, mid and long range missiles, and Russian long-mid range artilleries which ranks arguablely #2 most powerful in the world after China.

we are not even talking about Russian surface warships and SBNs, far larger Russia ground army force, biochemical warfare forces, special warfare forces, Ruskie hacker army, or strategic weapons. and so on...

If Russia wants to take Turkey off the map without thinking of any consequences, Turkey would not fare much better than Irak of the Gulf Wars.

2. you must be dreaming that the US or NATO will fight Russia risking a full out nuclear war for the sake of Turkey, NATO common defence treaty or not. NATO could fight for Turkey against any opponent, except when the said opponent is Russia or China. Then all bets are off, you are on your own!

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Hey, be civil. Calling my name doesn't make you more than a retard.




1. any country, Turkey or not, is a walk in a park for the US, China and Russia, if any of the latter 3 really wants to attack it without thinking any consequences whatsoever (e.g. pollution, Geneva convention, civilian casualties, etc) .

Turkey's AF F-16 can't even beat air forces of the South Korea or Japan, and they think they are someone who can face Russia?

If Russia wants to start WW3, even without nukes, the Ruskies can bomb Turkey into the stone age in no time:

Turkish F-16s can handle Su 27s, Mig 29s, Su 30s, Su 35s; S 300 , S 400...?
Does Turkey even have a decent long range air defence?
Or maybe the Turks are actually a secret sat/space weapon super power? tell me about it.
just to randomly name one, have you heard of Eskandar tactical missile ?
let alone all other Russian cruise missiles, all sorts of precision-strike weapons, stealth and otherwise...

Without air defence, all the tanks of Turkey army would become practice targets for hundres of armed-to-the-teeth Russian HELOS, and all the ground fixed assets would become practice targets of Russian bombers, cruise missiles, mid and long range missiles, and Russian long-mid range artilleries which ranks arguablely #2 most powerful in the world after China.

we are not even talking about Russian surface warships and SBNs, far larger Russia ground army force, biochemical warfare forces, special warfare forces, Ruskie hacker army, or strategic weapons. and so on...

If Russia wants to take Turkey off the map without thinking of any consequences, Turkey would not fare much better than Irak of the Gulf Wars.

2. you must be dreaming that the US or NATO will fight Russia risking a full out nuclear war for the sake of Turkey, NATO common defence treaty or not. NATO could fight for Turkey against any opponent, except when the said opponent is Russia or China. Then all bets are off, you are on your own!

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You didn't comprehend what I said, as expected.

I didn't make an argument that Turkey could beat Russia militarily. Russia is stronger. We all know that. Stop with these basic kid-level arguments that state the obvious.

And U.S/NATO WILL get involve if Turkey is attacked by Russia. Because if Russia defeats Turkey into submission, the entire Eastern flank of Europe will open to Russians. NATO/Western Europe will never allow that.
 
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By the way anyone knows if Pepe Escobar is a son of the famous drug lord Pablo Escobar? That might explain things he is blabbering.
 
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