Turkey is finished - Pepe Escobar

[Schutz]

Pepe Escobar (born 1954) is a Brazilian journalist. He writes a column - The Roving Eye - for Asia Times Online, and works as an analyst for RT as well as Al Jazeera and Iran's Press TV.[1]

So for this forum thats basically the holy grail in propaganda.

I hear reports that the rescue chopper was also shot down by US made anti-tank missile.

I hear ever rebel is using Russian rifles.

 

[bobo6661]

I hear ever rebel is using Russian rifles.

and some russian made anti-tank missile
List of military equipment used by Syrian opposition forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KTOOOOM]

Proxy war. The rebels and syrias think its about them when it is USA vs Russia as always.

Thankfully, we have done this tons of times before.

are you comparing Russia to USA lol
wake up man

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Turkey is not like Syrian rebels who can't retaliate the Russian bombing. Turkey is one of the strongest military powers and a brave nation. Also remember they will not be alone. Conflict with Turkey will not be such a simple issue for Russia.

LOL @ Turkey being a strong military power.

You are beyond delusional.

Turkish military is beyond a joke. What does Turkey have that can even remotely worry Russia in a war?

One, just one Russian missile strike in Ankara and you will see the Turks beg for mercy.

Turkey vs Russia is just as lopsided as Pakistan vs India.
Indian military made a complete and utter mockery of the Pakistani military in all the wars you had against India. Pakistan was considered one of the strongest militaries among the Muslim world and got a thumping.

Turkey to beat Russia in a war....dream on.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

LOL @ Turkey being a strong military power.

You are beyond delusional.

Turkish military is beyond a joke. What does Turkey have that can even remotely worry Russia in a war?

One, just one Russian missile strike in Ankara and you will see the Turks beg for mercy.

Turkey vs Russia is just as lopsided as Pakistan vs India.
Indian military made a complete and utter mockery of the Pakistani military in all the wars you had against India. Pakistan was considered one of the strongest militaries among the Muslim world and got a thumping.

Turkey to beat Russia in a war....dream on.

Bad analogy, Pakistan is no pushover for India.

Russia is strong no doubt, but don't bring India in comparison.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

lopsided as Pakistan vs India.

The only thing lopsided about Pakistan v India is the huge disparity between the two. India has 7:1 advantage in human resources ( population ) and that is almost like tiny Belguim taking on Germany or Romania taking on Russia.

Despite enjoying this huge advantage in numbers India has NEVER defeated Pakistan alone. The only war it won was in 1971. That war was between Pakistan and Bangla Mukti Bahini in which later on India joined in on the Bengali side. Thus Pakistan faced Bangla and India combined forces in what was a "away game" as the battle took place 1,300 miles from Pakistan. Even then the victory was against a small expeditionery force of 55k men. The winners were Bangladesh and India.

In summary the 1971 defeat was Pak versus Bangla+India.

Fact check.

Populations 2015

India - 1,275 miillion
Bang - 160 million
Pak - 195 million

Geography - The defeat took place in what is now Bangladesh. 1,300 miles distant from Pakistan but as India itself lay in between the Pak expeditionery force in Bang had to serviced through the sea by sailing south from Pak through Arabian Sea to Sril Lanka, then north through Bay of Bengal to Bang with consistant danger of India Naval interdiction. The distance is more than 2,500 miles or nearly UK to Istanbul, Turkey.

*The Eastern Command of about 55k men was defeated which was the "Pak occupation force" however most of Pak Army was intact in mainland Pakistan.

Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

LOL @ Turkey being a strong military power.

You are beyond delusional.

Turkish military is beyond a joke. What does Turkey have that can even remotely worry Russia in a war?

One, just one Russian missile strike in Ankara and you will see the Turks beg for mercy.

Turkey vs Russia is just as lopsided as Pakistan vs India.
Indian military made a complete and utter mockery of the Pakistani military in all the wars you had against India. Pakistan was considered one of the strongest militaries among the Muslim world and got a thumping.

Turkey to beat Russia in a war....dream on.

There is never Turkey vs Russia.
It is NATO vs Russia, and that is not in mr Putins interest.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

interest.

In my final year of A level history in high school the biggest chunk was on Cardinal Richelieu. I found it to be mind numbing boring, tedious and without any redemption. If that guy had been alive I would shot him. Even all these years later the name strikes fear in me ....

 

[Viper0011.]

LOL @ Turkey being a strong military power.
You are beyond delusional.
Turkish military is beyond a joke. What does Turkey have that can even remotely worry Russia in a war?
One, just one Russian missile strike in Ankara and you will see the Turks beg for mercy.

Turkey vs Russia is just as lopsided as Pakistan vs India.
Indian military made a complete and utter mockery of the Pakistani military in all the wars you had against India. Pakistan was considered one of the strongest militaries among the Muslim world and got a thumping.

Turkey to beat Russia in a war....dream on.

Turkey has over 300 upgraded jets with latest avionics (260 -16's all block 50+ and older F-4's like 60, but have avionics similar to -18', still excellent counter for any Mig, up to Mig-29).

Russia has about 700 top end fighter aircraft's including different variants of Mig 25, 29's, Mig-31, and SU-27, SU-30's, etc. So you pitch those against the Turks, Russia will lose about half of their fighter fleet. Turkey will lose their entire F-16's too. But the US can give them 100 -16's tomorrow if need be. But the Russians will have to "manufacture" lost jets!! What would happen to Russia's power projection and moral if they lost half of their Mig-29, 31's and SU-30's?? !!

Remainder of older jets are Turkey shoot for the Turkish AF (likes of older Mig, 21's, 23's and 29's). Not to mention the US will mobilize NATO assets the second they say more than 3-4 squadrons of Russian jets preparing for take off with weapons.

Also, on missiles and all.....firing a missile on Ankra would be a direct attack on NATO. You won't have internet after that happens. I'd be moving to the Moon with my girlfriend and we'll be watching fireworks from there. These war mongering posts of yours won't produce shiit. Imagine Japan before you write the next post

 

[SiCiSi]

Confirmed from a source within the AF. Air force has declared open season on the Turkmen within Syria.

 

[firestorm77]

Unless Russia plans to use nukes, they do not have the power projection capability nor overwhelming conventional superiority against Turkey.

 

[SiCiSi]

Unless Russia plans to use nukes, they do not have the power projection capability nor overwhelming conventional superiority against Turkey.

Our nuclear doctrine states that any threat to our sovereignty will result in the use of nuclear weapons against the enemy.

 

[firestorm77]

Confirmed from a source within the AF. Air force has declared open season on the Turkmen within Syria.

What if Turkey gives them MANPADS?

 

[SiCiSi]

What if Turkey gives them MANPADS?

Then we arm the PKK with anti air weaponry.

But thats out of the question. Turkmen will be bombed within a couple of days.

This stunt was like painting a bright red target on their own heads.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

@cabatli_53 and @Hakan please ban this guy forever.

Dont worry bro, people are jealous of Turkey; because their history is very insignificant when compared to the Ottoman Empires.

Then we arm the PKK with anti air weaponry.

But thats out of the question. Turkmen will be bombed within a couple of days.

This stunt was like painting a bright red target on their own heads.

Thing is, how are you going to arm the PKK? Russia shares no border and the Turkish borders are heavily guarded.

Turkey is a very powerful nation, if they go to war; Russia wont be able to do much.