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Why the proposed law change in Turkey could 'grant amnesty to child rapists'

The country's ruling party is said to be considering legislation that campaigners fear will 'grant amnesty to rapists'

Turkey’s main opposition and activists are warning that the country’s ruling party may introduce a bill to allow men who marry or have sex with underage girls to avoid prosecution or jail time.

The Republican People’s Party (CHP), along with Socialists, Democrats and Greens at the Council of Europe, issued a joint statement on Wednesday, arguing that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) is working on legislation that would effectively allow men who sexually abused children to get amnesty by marrying their victims. It is understood that a bill will be introduced in a matter of weeks.

"We are deeply concerned that the [AKP] is poised to introduce a new law granting amnesty to rapists as long as they marry their victim,” the statement read.

“The bill bears the immense risk of legitimising child marriage and statutory rape, as well as child abuse and sexual exploitation."

People can legally marry in Turkey at the age of 18 but are allowed to do so at 17 with the consent of their parents, or at 16 with the permission of a court

According to UNICEF, 15 percent of girls are married by the age of 18 in Turkey, putting it higher than the 7 percent average for countries in East Asia and the Pacific, as well as the average of 11 percent for those in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

The CHP’s vice president for human rights Gökçe Gökçen said the government believes men who are jailed for marrying underage girls are being victimised by the law and are not committing crimes because they believe the girls have consented to the marriages.

“They do not think the real problem is the child abuse or raping of children. But they think that they should protect families but the problem here is that this is not about protecting families,” Gokcen said.

“There is no consent when it comes to children, according to us. But they think this is consent.”

No text for the bill has been provided to parliament but Gokcen said that MPs from her party said the bill was being discussed within the ruling AKP. Local reports said the government was working on an amnesty bill, but did not specify which crimes would get amnesty.

Politicians and human rights advocates claimed the AKP was using pro-government media to push the idea of legalising child marriages to gauge public sentiment on the issue before introducing it to parliament.

Gokcen feared a bill could be pushed through last minute in a late-night session, and suspected the proposed law could either drastically decrease the sentence of a man found guilty of abuse or give him a pardon.

”The child abusers are not the real victims here. The real victims are the girls, [the] children, who are forced to marry their rapists,” she said.

The AKP declined The Daily Telegraph’s request for an interview, stating that it was too early to provide an opinion on a draft law.

Sixty-three bar associations in Turkey issued a statement in December condemning child marriages and amnesty to perpetrators, stating that they sexualise children and increase the risk of violence against women. UNICEF states that child marriage in Turkey reflects gender inequality in society and hurts the educational opportunities and health of girls.

Child marriage has been hotly debated since the government tried to introduce a bill in 2016 that would allow sexual abusers to avoid jail time if they married their victims.

The Supreme Court has increasingly dismissed cases of child marriage in the last few years, according to human rights lawyer Deman Guler.

Guler blamed the increasing conservatism and Islamic bent of the government under Erdogan for such cases, arguing that the court has become politicised and is trying to make the public more accepting of child marriages.

"When they go before the court, the perpetrator says ‘Ok, I didn't know the age, and now we are a family. We have a baby. Please forgive me.' And they say, 'Ok'," Guler railed.

The CHP argues child marriages increase the risk of rape and would teach abusers that they can assault children without punishment.

The AKP tried to pass a similar law in 2016 that would let men who sexually abused girls avoid being sent behind bars if they got married. The government argued that men who were unaware of the legal age of marriage were being jailed and children were being left without fathers.

The Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), which is in a parliamentary coalition with the AKP, called the 2016 bill “an amnesty for rapists” that needed to be dropped. The bill was withdrawn after public outrage and warnings from the UN.

The general secretary of the Turkish NGO We Will Stop Femicide, Fidan Ataselim, said the government is trying to bring back the failed proposal.

“They’re still trying to justify, in a way, the sexual abuse of underage children. And those abusers say those children had consented and how is this possible? They cannot give consent.”

According to the NGO, there has been a steady increase in violence against women in Turkey, with 474 women murdered by men in 2019. Opponents of legalising child marriage say it will legitimise the sexual exploitation of children, increase domestic violence and marital rape, as well as entrench the deep gender inequality already found in Turkey. The World Health Organisation says 38 percent of women in Turkey will experience violence from a partner, compared to 25 percent in Europe.

CHP's Gokcen warned that providing amnesty to adults who married children will teach perpetrators that they can assault children and get away with it.

"It will probably open more doors to abusers," she said.
 
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Turkey’s ‘marry your rapist’ law has taken women’s rights right back to the 1950s
To say this is alarming is an understatement. With the president conveying this message, it will only be a matter of time before society buys into the idea that women's rights don't matter

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I’ve always been appalled at the fact my Turkish father’s aunt was forced to marry the man who raped her when she was a teenager. I try to console myself with the fact this was a Turkish village in the 1950s and that a lot has changed since then, but with a "marry-your-rapist" bill set to be introduced in Turkey in a matter of days, I’m having difficulty.

This bill will release scores of men who have been sentenced for committing statutory rape – Turkish newspaper Hürriyet estimates this currently stands at around 4000 – on the condition they marry their victim. Whether there will be a limit as to the age difference between the two parties is still undecided. If there is to be one, it will be set at either 10 or 15 years – a small, yet still utterly detestable, concession.

This whole bill is detestable. In fact, even that word fails to convey the absolute anger, horror and disgust felt towards the bill by many women – and men – of Turkish heritage. In an age where sexual harassment against women is finally becoming taboo, where countries who have a more conservative culture, such as Palestine or Egypt, are finally repealing easy escapes for rapists, why would you bring in such a law? Why would you take such a step back? And it is a huge step back for Turkey. In 2004, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s AK Party actually doubled the sentence for child abusers and removed the very law they are now bringing back.



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Looking at Erdoğan’s political views as a whole, I believe there can only be one reason: the notion that marriage and children will put Turkey on course to become a major player in the world. He states that "strong nations come from strong families". It’s also why, time after time, he has advocated for Turkish families to have three children, and why, two weeks ago, he declared that having children or living together outside marriage is not in the Islamic – and therefore Turkish – culture. Yet forcing a girl to marry her rapist is not accepted in today’s Turkish culture either; it is seen by the majority as sexual abuse.

Erdoğan, who claimed last week that he will never allow a reduction in sentencing for crimes such as terror or sexual abuse but who is allowing this "marry-your-rapist" bill through, clearly doesn’t see it as such. Instead, he considers it a way for his aims to be met, a way for the population to rise. A rapist marrying his young victim not only means that any child borne from the incident will be legitimised but, with the girl still possessing many fertile years ahead of her, she will also be able to produce more children.

To say this is extremely alarming is an understatement. The main implication of this law is that women in Turkey are not to be valued; they are simply baby-makers and nothing more. With the president and the law conveying this message, it will only be a matter of time before society believes it, which will consequently have a devastating impact on women’s rights across the country.

‘Marry-your-rapist’ bill to be introduced by lawmakers in Turkey
Men will feel far more dominant over women and the female body than they already do, which will lead to a growth in rape as well as domestic violence or abuse. The rate of femicide will rise despite it already being very high – according to one Turkish women’s platform, around 474 women were killed in 2019, nearly four times the number of women killed in the UK in 2018 – and self-harm and suicide amongst women will increase as a result of them being stuck in unhappy homes with a man, and possibly children, they didn’t ask for.

That the president and parliament thought not to consider the repercussions of this "marry-your-rapist" bill is shameful. They should realise that forcing families, once again, to push their young daughters into lives of misery because they are seen as "damaged goods", is reprehensible.

Turkey used to be progressive on the topic of women’s rights. In the past 20 years, the ban on headscarves in state institutions or in the army has been lifted and mothers have found a work-life balance through the introduction of “milk leave” – 1.5 hours out of every working day to feed their new baby. But this new law will actively erode nearly all of that progress.

The "marry-your-rapist" bill is taking Turkey back to the 1950s. Regardless of what Erdoğan might think about the value of such a law, it’s actually ruining any chance Turkey has of being a truly modern player in the world. So, solidarity to all those women who will be affected by this and a great big thank you to those that have taken to the streets in protest. This is a huge fight for women for so many reasons – we won't give up now.
This has been posted before and explained that what the law was about.

Holy shit, talk about taking things out of context. This is a massive alteration by the shit-rag called the independent, and no one is surprised. It's borderline false news.

Ok for the sake of everyone involved, here's what's really going on :

1. What this law is
This is a weird and morphed Romeo+Juliet law
. Here's a definition. The gist of it is this : If you are an adult (which means 18+ years old in Turkey) and if you have sexual contact with a minor (which means 17 years old or lower in Turkey) then what you participated in is called Rape. There's even a special name for rape of this kind, it's called Statutory Rape. You can read the link if you want more information.

Why is consensual sex between two people considered rape? Well the argument is, as an adult you have the mental capacity and means to trick and coerce the minor, the minor's actions cannot be said to been the result of a sound mind. This is called statutory rape - the definition means there is NO physical assault or violence involved. That is another kind of rape and it's not covered by any of these laws.

BUT, the problem here is this, most people in romantic relationships aren't exactly the same age. So a 17 year old in a romantic relationship with a 20 year old isn't really out of the norm. But if they get caught or if the parents file a complaint then the 20 year old will face a huge amount of jail time.

To circumvent this problem, most nations came up with the idea of laws specifically designed to bypass these small age differences. The argument is that a 16 year old and a 19 year old don't really have that much mental capacity difference between them. So to treat one as an adult and the other as a brainless child is stupid.

2. Romeo + Juliet Laws
Basically these laws have small frames set into them to protect young people from having their lives turned upside down just because they were (of course) having sex. Because hormones, being young etc. etc. you can't realistically expect young people to not have sex - that's absurd.

So most civilized countries (and some dipshit ones like the US) have created laws that have a minimum age requirement (like 14, 15 or 16) and a maximum age difference between the two partners (like 3 or 4 years, maybe 5) and basically say "you know what, in this relationship both parties have about the same mental capacity and none of them should be treated as having power on the other, so let the kids have sex and leave the juridical system alone with this bullshit just because helicopter parents can't cope with the concept".

And this is a great thing to have.

3. What this law ISN'T!
Get out of rape law. You can't marry your rapist and be done with it if you've physically raped the person. Violent rape isn't covered by these kinds of laws.
It also doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with religion. It's really pathetic to try and merge the two concepts together. SMH.

4. Turkish version of the law...
...is utter bullshit. Because of a lot of problems. Here's a list :

  • The Turkish version doesn't state a minimum age (yet). And I don't trust the idiots in the government to specify anything sensible like 15 or 14 at most. They could even count 9 - we don't know yet, but I'm not optimistic.
  • The accepted age difference is humongous. It's 11 years. What the actual ****?!!! Let's say the minor is 16 years old - that means the adult can be 27 years old and their relationship is not between a minor and an adult? Bullshit. Think even more extreme. What if the minor is 12 years old? That means a child of 12 and a grown asshole of 23 will be counted as a couple. What the actual **** is all I can say.
  • There is a marriage condition set it. Like wtf people. We as a country need stable and strong families and marriages. We don't need young idiots that don't even know how to properly write their name be married just because their genitals were humming when in proximity of each other. This is insane. The marriage condition should be dropped ASP!
5. Pro's and Con's for this law
Pro's :

  • Innocent kids having sex are being punished like violent assholes who kidnap people and rape them. This idiocracy needs to stop. So a law like is DEPERATELY NEEDED!
  • Sex with people close to your age needs to be accepted. We as a culture should understand that young people are going to want to **** - and they ARE going to **** - no matter what we do. The best idea is to at least prevent long lasting damage and maybe educate them so they can practice safe-sex.
  • Sex as a taboo actually heightens domestic abuse cases, ultra jealous types wrecking havoc and thinking it's ok. If we pave the way for healthy sex and a mentally healthy outlook on sex most of Turkey's domestic violence problems could be fixed. Sex is not taboo and it's motherfucking natural, these laws pave the way for people not sneaking into dangerous places to get it off.
Con's :
  • The way the current law is drawn up is stupid. There needs to be clear minimum ages that are acceptable (like not 12 year olds).
  • The maximum age difference should be limited severely. Maybe not a number but a percentage? How about %20? I know it's not 11 years.
  • While I'm all in favour of sex losing it's taboo status and teens being educated about safe and healthy sex and relationships, there's also the undeniable fact that kids are idiots. Teens more so. So while trying not to **** up their life with jail we could be encouraging them to get pregnant (they're idiots, this'll happen more), get STD's (again, they're idiot edgelords) and equating sex with a relationship. Early age sex does have negative annotations like this, and these kind of things need to be explored by psychologists and socialogists alike.

Too long - didn't read?
This law doesn't cover violent rape cases - it only covers consensual sex between close-aged minors/adults.
BUT Turkey's version is problematic as it stands.


BUT IT IS NOT THE BARBARIC BULLSHIT the SHIT-RAG INDEPENDANT IS MAKING IT OUT TO BE!

Thx @azyr

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...back-to-the-1950s.651167/page-7#post-12048638

 
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Absolutely vile. 1950s? Even cavemen would be shocked by this.
 
This has been posted before and explained that what the law was about.

Holy shit, talk about taking things out of context. This is a massive alteration by the shit-rag called the independent, and no one is surprised. It's borderline false news.

Ok for the sake of everyone involved, here's what's really going on :

1. What this law is
This is a weird and morphed Romeo+Juliet law
. Here's a definition. The gist of it is this : If you are an adult (which means 18+ years old in Turkey) and if you have sexual contact with a minor (which means 17 years old or lower in Turkey) then what you participated in is called Rape. There's even a special name for rape of this kind, it's called Statutory Rape. You can read the link if you want more information.

Why is consensual sex between two people considered rape? Well the argument is, as an adult you have the mental capacity and means to trick and coerce the minor, the minor's actions cannot be said to been the result of a sound mind. This is called statutory rape - the definition means there is NO physical assault or violence involved. That is another kind of rape and it's not covered by any of these laws.

BUT, the problem here is this, most people in romantic relationships aren't exactly the same age. So a 17 year old in a romantic relationship with a 20 year old isn't really out of the norm. But if they get caught or if the parents file a complaint then the 20 year old will face a huge amount of jail time.

To circumvent this problem, most nations came up with the idea of laws specifically designed to bypass these small age differences. The argument is that a 16 year old and a 19 year old don't really have that much mental capacity difference between them. So to treat one as an adult and the other as a brainless child is stupid.

2. Romeo + Juliet Laws
Basically these laws have small frames set into them to protect young people from having their lives turned upside down just because they were (of course) having sex. Because hormones, being young etc. etc. you can't realistically expect young people to not have sex - that's absurd.

So most civilized countries (and some dipshit ones like the US) have created laws that have a minimum age requirement (like 14, 15 or 16) and a maximum age difference between the two partners (like 3 or 4 years, maybe 5) and basically say "you know what, in this relationship both parties have about the same mental capacity and none of them should be treated as having power on the other, so let the kids have sex and leave the juridical system alone with this bullshit just because helicopter parents can't cope with the concept".

And this is a great thing to have.

3. What this law ISN'T!
Get out of rape law. You can't marry your rapist and be done with it if you've physically raped the person. Violent rape isn't covered by these kinds of laws.
It also doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with religion. It's really pathetic to try and merge the two concepts together. SMH.

4. Turkish version of the law...
...is utter bullshit. Because of a lot of problems. Here's a list :

  • The Turkish version doesn't state a minimum age (yet). And I don't trust the idiots in the government to specify anything sensible like 15 or 14 at most. They could even count 9 - we don't know yet, but I'm not optimistic.
  • The accepted age difference is humongous. It's 11 years. What the actual ****?!!! Let's say the minor is 16 years old - that means the adult can be 27 years old and their relationship is not between a minor and an adult? Bullshit. Think even more extreme. What if the minor is 12 years old? That means a child of 12 and a grown asshole of 23 will be counted as a couple. What the actual **** is all I can say.
  • There is a marriage condition set it. Like wtf people. We as a country need stable and strong families and marriages. We don't need young idiots that don't even know how to properly write their name be married just because their genitals were humming when in proximity of each other. This is insane. The marriage condition should be dropped ASP!
5. Pro's and Con's for this law
Pro's :

  • Innocent kids having sex are being punished like violent assholes who kidnap people and rape them. This idiocracy needs to stop. So a law like is DEPERATELY NEEDED!
  • Sex with people close to your age needs to be accepted. We as a culture should understand that young people are going to want to **** - and they ARE going to **** - no matter what we do. The best idea is to at least prevent long lasting damage and maybe educate them so they can practice safe-sex.
  • Sex as a taboo actually heightens domestic abuse cases, ultra jealous types wrecking havoc and thinking it's ok. If we pave the way for healthy sex and a mentally healthy outlook on sex most of Turkey's domestic violence problems could be fixed. Sex is not taboo and it's motherfucking natural, these laws pave the way for people not sneaking into dangerous places to get it off.
Con's :
  • The way the current law is drawn up is stupid. There needs to be clear minimum ages that are acceptable (like not 12 year olds).
  • The maximum age difference should be limited severely. Maybe not a number but a percentage? How about %20? I know it's not 11 years.
  • While I'm all in favour of sex losing it's taboo status and teens being educated about safe and healthy sex and relationships, there's also the undeniable fact that kids are idiots. Teens more so. So while trying not to **** up their life with jail we could be encouraging them to get pregnant (they're idiots, this'll happen more), get STD's (again, they're idiot edgelords) and equating sex with a relationship. Early age sex does have negative annotations like this, and these kind of things need to be explored by psychologists and socialogists alike.

Too long - didn't read?
This law doesn't cover violent rape cases - it only covers consensual sex between close-aged minors/adults.
BUT Turkey's version is problematic as it stands.


BUT IT IS NOT THE BARBARIC BULLSHIT the SHIT-RAG INDEPENDANT IS MAKING IT OUT TO BE!

Thx @azyr

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...back-to-the-1950s.651167/page-7#post-12048638


You as an Iranian should stop caring about Turkeys civil laws that are contemporary and care more about the medieval laws in Iran.

Nice try, trying to defend this law.

If a 60 year old man rapes a 10 year old girl but offers to marry her, he will not be convicted.
 
Nice try, trying to defend this law.

If a 60 year old man rapes a 10 year old girl but offers to marry her, he will not be convicted.
He will, the age of consent is still 18 in Turkey, and thats why this thread is a bullshit and you are a hypocrite.
 
He will and thats why this thread is a bullshit and you are a hypocrite.

He will not. And does not supporting this law make me a hypocrite, or does supporting the law while you use Ataturks pic as an avatar make you one?
 
He will not. And does not supporting this law make me a hypocrite, or does supporting the law while you use Ataturks pic as an avatar make you one?
First learn what you are posting about, its has nothing to do with rape to begin with, some leftist feminist writes some bullshit and you jump on it because its the perfect opportunity to attack Turkey

And my avatar has nothing to do with the topic at all.
 
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First learn what you are posting about, its has nothing to do with rape to begin with, some leftist feminist writes some bullshit and you jump on it because its the perfect opportunity to attack Turkey, meanwhile while the laws in Iran are 100 times worse and you keep quiet about it, hence the stamp of hypocrite.

And my avatar has nothing to do with the topic at all.

First of all, it literally has to do with rape. Secondly I do not have to start every post by denouncing Iranian laws before I say anything about Turkey. Thirdly, I have criticized Iranian laws and government many times before. And lastly, this law you support represents everything Ataturk was against, by defending it, it makes you the hypocrite, not me
 
First of all, it literally has to do with rape. Secondly I do not have to start every post by denouncing Iranian laws before I say anything about Turkey. Thirdly, I have criticized Iranian laws and government many times before. And lastly, this law you support is everything Ataturk was against, by defending it, it makes you a hypocrite.
You would understand what the law is about if you read the explanation from @azyr but no you dont need to read it because the whole purpose of this thread is not about raising awareness about a problem but somethign whole different.

If you could actually comprehend what you read then you would see that im not defending anything here but pointing misinformation spread by you and posting facts about the law.
I never said its a good law, it has flaws that will probably/hopefully be corrected before being introduced but even in its current form its not what you and that feminist make it out to be.
 
First learn what you are posting about, its has nothing to do with rape to begin with, some leftist feminist writes some bullshit and you jump on it because its the perfect opportunity to attack Turkey, meanwhile while the laws in Iran are 100 times worse and you keep quiet about it, hence the stamp of hypocrite.

And my avatar has nothing to do with the topic at all.

Just stick to the actual topic and don't resort to whataboutisms. If you want to open a thread on Iran, then do so but trying to defend this law by posting out flaws in other nations is a fallacy. You've posted your "defence" already, now let people judge for themselves.
 
Just stick to the actual topic and don't resort to whataboutisms. If you want to open a thread on Iran, then do so but trying to defend this law by posting out flaws in other nations is a fallacy.
Lol another one, show me where i defend it.
First learn to read and try to comprehend, we did that in 3rd grade already, im sure you are able too.

Oh and dont forget to put your correct flags, no need to be ashamed for your background.
 
You would understand what the law is about if you read the explanation from @azyr but no you dont need to read it because the whole purpose of this thread is not about raising awareness about a problem but somethign whole different.

If you could actually comprehend what you read then you would see that im not defending anything here but pointing misinformation spread by you and posting facts about the law.
I never said its a good law, it has flaws that will probably/hopefully be corrected before being introduced but even in its current form its not what you and that feminist make it out to be.
Here.

Why the proposed law change in Turkey could 'grant amnesty to child rapists'

The country's ruling party is said to be considering legislation that campaigners fear will 'grant amnesty to rapists'

Turkey’s main opposition and activists are warning that the country’s ruling party may introduce a bill to allow men who marry or have sex with underage girls to avoid prosecution or jail time.

The Republican People’s Party (CHP), along with Socialists, Democrats and Greens at the Council of Europe, issued a joint statement on Wednesday, arguing that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) is working on legislation that would effectively allow men who sexually abused children to get amnesty by marrying their victims. It is understood that a bill will be introduced in a matter of weeks.

"We are deeply concerned that the [AKP] is poised to introduce a new law granting amnesty to rapists as long as they marry their victim,” the statement read.

“The bill bears the immense risk of legitimising child marriage and statutory rape, as well as child abuse and sexual exploitation."

People can legally marry in Turkey at the age of 18 but are allowed to do so at 17 with the consent of their parents, or at 16 with the permission of a court

According to UNICEF, 15 percent of girls are married by the age of 18 in Turkey, putting it higher than the 7 percent average for countries in East Asia and the Pacific, as well as the average of 11 percent for those in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

The CHP’s vice president for human rights Gökçe Gökçen said the government believes men who are jailed for marrying underage girls are being victimised by the law and are not committing crimes because they believe the girls have consented to the marriages.

“They do not think the real problem is the child abuse or raping of children. But they think that they should protect families but the problem here is that this is not about protecting families,” Gokcen said.

“There is no consent when it comes to children, according to us. But they think this is consent.”

No text for the bill has been provided to parliament but Gokcen said that MPs from her party said the bill was being discussed within the ruling AKP. Local reports said the government was working on an amnesty bill, but did not specify which crimes would get amnesty.

Politicians and human rights advocates claimed the AKP was using pro-government media to push the idea of legalising child marriages to gauge public sentiment on the issue before introducing it to parliament.

Gokcen feared a bill could be pushed through last minute in a late-night session, and suspected the proposed law could either drastically decrease the sentence of a man found guilty of abuse or give him a pardon.

”The child abusers are not the real victims here. The real victims are the girls, [the] children, who are forced to marry their rapists,” she said.

The AKP declined The Daily Telegraph’s request for an interview, stating that it was too early to provide an opinion on a draft law.

Sixty-three bar associations in Turkey issued a statement in December condemning child marriages and amnesty to perpetrators, stating that they sexualise children and increase the risk of violence against women. UNICEF states that child marriage in Turkey reflects gender inequality in society and hurts the educational opportunities and health of girls.

Child marriage has been hotly debated since the government tried to introduce a bill in 2016 that would allow sexual abusers to avoid jail time if they married their victims.

The Supreme Court has increasingly dismissed cases of child marriage in the last few years, according to human rights lawyer Deman Guler.

Guler blamed the increasing conservatism and Islamic bent of the government under Erdogan for such cases, arguing that the court has become politicised and is trying to make the public more accepting of child marriages.

"When they go before the court, the perpetrator says ‘Ok, I didn't know the age, and now we are a family. We have a baby. Please forgive me.' And they say, 'Ok'," Guler railed.

The CHP argues child marriages increase the risk of rape and would teach abusers that they can assault children without punishment.

The AKP tried to pass a similar law in 2016 that would let men who sexually abused girls avoid being sent behind bars if they got married. The government argued that men who were unaware of the legal age of marriage were being jailed and children were being left without fathers.

The Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), which is in a parliamentary coalition with the AKP, called the 2016 bill “an amnesty for rapists” that needed to be dropped. The bill was withdrawn after public outrage and warnings from the UN.

The general secretary of the Turkish NGO We Will Stop Femicide, Fidan Ataselim, said the government is trying to bring back the failed proposal.

“They’re still trying to justify, in a way, the sexual abuse of underage children. And those abusers say those children had consented and how is this possible? They cannot give consent.”

According to the NGO, there has been a steady increase in violence against women in Turkey, with 474 women murdered by men in 2019. Opponents of legalising child marriage say it will legitimise the sexual exploitation of children, increase domestic violence and marital rape, as well as entrench the deep gender inequality already found in Turkey. The World Health Organisation says 38 percent of women in Turkey will experience violence from a partner, compared to 25 percent in Europe.

CHP's Gokcen warned that providing amnesty to adults who married children will teach perpetrators that they can assault children and get away with it.

"It will probably open more doors to abusers," she said.
 
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Lol another one, show me where i defend it.


First learn to read and try to comprehend, we did that in 3rd grade already, im sure you are able too.

Clearly, you're the one that requires a lesson in reading comprehension. I stated you posted your "defence" i.e defence on the claim you made. I did not say you're "defending the law"



Oh and dont forget to put your correct flags, no need to be ashamed for your background.


Obviously you're running desperate now that you have to resort to these cheap tactics.
 
This has been posted before and explained that what the law was about.

Holy shit, talk about taking things out of context. This is a massive alteration by the shit-rag called the independent, and no one is surprised. It's borderline false news.

Ok for the sake of everyone involved, here's what's really going on :

1. What this law is
This is a weird and morphed Romeo+Juliet law
. Here's a definition. The gist of it is this : If you are an adult (which means 18+ years old in Turkey) and if you have sexual contact with a minor (which means 17 years old or lower in Turkey) then what you participated in is called Rape. There's even a special name for rape of this kind, it's called Statutory Rape. You can read the link if you want more information.

Why is consensual sex between two people considered rape? Well the argument is, as an adult you have the mental capacity and means to trick and coerce the minor, the minor's actions cannot be said to been the result of a sound mind. This is called statutory rape - the definition means there is NO physical assault or violence involved. That is another kind of rape and it's not covered by any of these laws.

BUT, the problem here is this, most people in romantic relationships aren't exactly the same age. So a 17 year old in a romantic relationship with a 20 year old isn't really out of the norm. But if they get caught or if the parents file a complaint then the 20 year old will face a huge amount of jail time.

To circumvent this problem, most nations came up with the idea of laws specifically designed to bypass these small age differences. The argument is that a 16 year old and a 19 year old don't really have that much mental capacity difference between them. So to treat one as an adult and the other as a brainless child is stupid.

2. Romeo + Juliet Laws
Basically these laws have small frames set into them to protect young people from having their lives turned upside down just because they were (of course) having sex. Because hormones, being young etc. etc. you can't realistically expect young people to not have sex - that's absurd.

So most civilized countries (and some dipshit ones like the US) have created laws that have a minimum age requirement (like 14, 15 or 16) and a maximum age difference between the two partners (like 3 or 4 years, maybe 5) and basically say "you know what, in this relationship both parties have about the same mental capacity and none of them should be treated as having power on the other, so let the kids have sex and leave the juridical system alone with this bullshit just because helicopter parents can't cope with the concept".

And this is a great thing to have.

3. What this law ISN'T!
Get out of rape law. You can't marry your rapist and be done with it if you've physically raped the person. Violent rape isn't covered by these kinds of laws.
It also doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with religion. It's really pathetic to try and merge the two concepts together. SMH.

4. Turkish version of the law...
...is utter bullshit. Because of a lot of problems. Here's a list :

  • The Turkish version doesn't state a minimum age (yet). And I don't trust the idiots in the government to specify anything sensible like 15 or 14 at most. They could even count 9 - we don't know yet, but I'm not optimistic.
  • The accepted age difference is humongous. It's 11 years. What the actual ****?!!! Let's say the minor is 16 years old - that means the adult can be 27 years old and their relationship is not between a minor and an adult? Bullshit. Think even more extreme. What if the minor is 12 years old? That means a child of 12 and a grown asshole of 23 will be counted as a couple. What the actual **** is all I can say.
  • There is a marriage condition set it. Like wtf people. We as a country need stable and strong families and marriages. We don't need young idiots that don't even know how to properly write their name be married just because their genitals were humming when in proximity of each other. This is insane. The marriage condition should be dropped ASP!
5. Pro's and Con's for this law
Pro's :

  • Innocent kids having sex are being punished like violent assholes who kidnap people and rape them. This idiocracy needs to stop. So a law like is DEPERATELY NEEDED!
  • Sex with people close to your age needs to be accepted. We as a culture should understand that young people are going to want to **** - and they ARE going to **** - no matter what we do. The best idea is to at least prevent long lasting damage and maybe educate them so they can practice safe-sex.
  • Sex as a taboo actually heightens domestic abuse cases, ultra jealous types wrecking havoc and thinking it's ok. If we pave the way for healthy sex and a mentally healthy outlook on sex most of Turkey's domestic violence problems could be fixed. Sex is not taboo and it's motherfucking natural, these laws pave the way for people not sneaking into dangerous places to get it off.
Con's :
  • The way the current law is drawn up is stupid. There needs to be clear minimum ages that are acceptable (like not 12 year olds).
  • The maximum age difference should be limited severely. Maybe not a number but a percentage? How about %20? I know it's not 11 years.
  • While I'm all in favour of sex losing it's taboo status and teens being educated about safe and healthy sex and relationships, there's also the undeniable fact that kids are idiots. Teens more so. So while trying not to **** up their life with jail we could be encouraging them to get pregnant (they're idiots, this'll happen more), get STD's (again, they're idiot edgelords) and equating sex with a relationship. Early age sex does have negative annotations like this, and these kind of things need to be explored by psychologists and socialogists alike.

Too long - didn't read?
This law doesn't cover violent rape cases - it only covers consensual sex between close-aged minors/adults.
BUT Turkey's version is problematic as it stands.


BUT IT IS NOT THE BARBARIC BULLSHIT the SHIT-RAG INDEPENDANT IS MAKING IT OUT TO BE!

Thx @azyr

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...back-to-the-1950s.651167/page-7#post-12048638


You as an Iranian should stop caring about Turkeys civil laws that are contemporary and care more about the medieval laws in Iran.
Wouldn't it be much easier just to lower the age that automatically triggers statutory rape?
 
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