Turkey in Afganistan: Pak Support is Must

[TigerOfMysore]

I care for Turkey. I think she is a great ally of Pakistan's. However, lets be clear, Afghanistan is our backyard, and we should not tolerate any third country into our backyard, even if it is China. Stability or lack thereof in Afghanistan has a direct impact on us, and so Afghanistan is our equivalent of the Monroe Doctrine. This was a simple fact that the US in its hubris never understood, and that is in large measure why they lost in Afghanistan and also in the process lost Pakistan as an ally. A foreign policy disaster for them which they will never acknowledge, outside of a few honest policy makers. Time might give them some sense of what they did with Pakistan, which from a policy perspective is criminal.

Turkey's involvement in Afghanistan cannot be under the auspices of NATO. It can also not happen without all parties agreement. This should include Taliban and NA. And finally it should also include Pakistan. I would argue that Pakistan and Turkey guarantee security in Afghanistan working alongside the Taliban and NA. Bagram could be a great base to operate from, and Kabul becomes a jointly managed city. This way it is a win win for all parties. Taliban also need to find a way to bring NA into the fold, atleast in a way where they dont feel the Talibs are an existential threat. Otherwise between them and the Hazaraas, they will never let the Taliban govern. Winning on the battlefield is one thing, governing is completely different.

As for Pakistan two points for any party wanting to work with us:
1) Afghanistan can never be used to attack Pakistan
2) India has no say, projects or interaction with Afghanistan. NONE!!!! Don't make the mistake of being holier than the pope and the Aman Ki Aasha crap. India should be an absolute no go area for Pakistan. Otherwise expect them in 20 years triggering Taliban to create trouble for us, after years of sweet talk and ram ram.

 

[mqur1963]

Turkey and NATO as a whole tried to destabilize Afghanistan. Their presence is illegal and the Turkish claim of fighting Taliban is at begest of USA and its military wing NATO.
Turkey like other NATO invaders has stained its hands with Afghan blood.
Truth is Taliban is a part of Afghan people having ideological base among Afghan people. And anyone that claims Taliban is a terrorist group, in fact, tries to justify its illegal presence.
Iran will support Afghan Taliban in the face of any invading forces.

IN HADITH PROPHET SAW SAID TURKEY WILL EXIT ISLAM AFTER JOINING NATO THEY BECOME NONMUSLIM THAT IS MY IMAM ALMEHDI WILL CONQUEST TURKEY AGAIN AND RUSSIA WILL DISTROY ATLEAST 99% OF TURKEYS MILATERYS BY NUKING THEM

 

[Views that differ]

Interesting development, Now Turks will support Afghan government so now India and Turkey are supporting same side.

Geopolitics is funny thing.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey’s official position is clear. They are already in Afganistan in a non-combatant mission. If they leave it means Afganistan is entirely cut-off from the USA, EU etc.

Now, who do you think who’ll take the brunt of the blame????

The Pak General Staffs don’t work on emotions; otherwise, they’d have been packaged long time back…..

It’s never been the Taliban, it’s the Pak Deep State….

 

[Mr.Green]

It is my personal opinion that Turkey wants something that is out of its reach. Maybe the Central Asian States give some importance to Turkey and accept its role due to racial and historical ties. However, Afghanistan has been a free country comprised of free minded people. Reportedly, they don't even take much guidance from Pakistan. I doubt that the Turkish people have the internal capability to lead an Empire now. It is said that once a well dressed and armed delegation went from Arabia to Afghanistan which had been conquered recently to get Khiraj. The Afghans told them that we gave Kharaj in the previous years to your delegation which was wearing torn dresses and rusted swords but we will not give it to you. I mean to say that the quality of Turks at the time of Babur and Artugral is very different from the present Turks.

It is my personal opinion that Turkey wants something that is out of its reach. Maybe the Central Asian States give some importance to Turkey and accept its role due to racial and historical ties. However, Afghanistan has been a free country comprised of free minded people. Reportedly, they don't even take much guidance from Pakistan. I doubt that the Turkish people have the internal capability to lead an Empire now. It is said that once a well dressed and armed delegation went from Arabia to Afghanistan which had been conquered recently to get Khiraj. The Afghans told them that we gave Kharaj in the previous years to your delegation which was wearing torn dresses and rusted swords but we will not give it to you. I mean to say that the quality of Turks at the time of Babur and Artugral is very different from the present Turks.

Allah gave responsibility for holding the banner of Islam to the Arabs but when they declined then Turks took the responsibility. Then the Turks also declined as a Power. Now is the intermediate state. Maybe it is going back to the Arabs or someone else.

 

[zartosht]

This article is from journalist Resul Tosun, a former MP and close to Erdo'an:

• Turkey feels she has a historical responsibility toward Afganistan
• Turkish objectives: peace, reconciliation, progress, moderation, less influence from Russia/China/Iran etc.
• Turkey wants to invest in building institutions of administration, military, education, health etc. 1.1b$ has already been spent
• There're 5 fractions in the Taliban - Russia, Iran etc. have their supporters - Pak close to the strongest fraction
• Turkey doesn't want to get into fight with anyone in Afghanistan. Pak's support and cooperation with a hint of jointness is a must to keep it that way
• Turkey is looking forward to a long term presence in this region in cooperation with Pak in a win-win mode

Afganistan'da ne işimiz var?! - Yazarlar - Resul TOSUN | STAR

'Ne işimiz var?'sorusu genellikle muhalefet tarafından seslendirilmektedir.Ve en önemlisi de bu 'ne işimiz var' sorusu hep Müslüman coğrafya söz konusu olduğunda gündeme getirilmektedir.Bu sorunun arkasında ülkeler arası ilişkiler hatta ülkemizin çıkarı dahi yoktur.<video class='rich-text-video'...

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do you really not see how the bolded part contradicts each other? are torks really this self unaware?


so let me get this straight. the torks want to come into afghanistan to the NATOs work, and by their own words hurt or "lessen the influence and interests" of IRAN, Russia, and China. yet they dont want to fight anybody???

ok there turkey. come on in by all means. Iran,Russia, and China will have their own version of a thanksgiving BBQ.

this is just unbelievable on sooooo many levels. does turkey really think other countries are that dumb and will just stand there and let erdo act out his servitude to white man fetishes in afghanistan?

 

[nahtanbob]

do you really not see how the bolded part contradicts each other? are torks really this self unaware?


so let me get this straight. the torks want to come into afghanistan to the NATOs work, and by their own words hurt or "lessen the influence and interests" of IRAN, Russia, and China. yet they dont want to fight anybody???

ok there turkey. come on in by all means. Iran,Russia, and China will have their own version of a thanksgiving BBQ.

this is just unbelievable on sooooo many levels. does turkey really think other countries are that dumb and will just stand there and let erdo act out his servitude to white man fetishes in afghanistan?

you make sense except Turks are trying to expand relationships with countries with Turkic peoples in them.
Afghanistan has 10% minority related to Turks

 

[zartosht]

you make sense except Turks are trying to expand relationships with countries with Turkic peoples in them.
Afghanistan has 10% minority related to Turks

thats even worse.

turkey wants to go and cause ethnic instability by playing the turkic card against Iran and China? it has recently bullied 3 million armenia.

sang songs about "uniting Iranian azeris with azerbaijan" and making territorial claims on Iran.

besides in neanderthal pink panturk fantasy history. it is universally accepted by scientists and historians that these so called "turks" are only linguistically turkish. and have nothing to do ethnically to turks.

infact, kurds in turkey have far FAAAAR more in common with Iranians then they do with either turkey or actualy mongloid turks from central asia...

if turkey wants to play this sort of game, is it going to be happy when IRan returns the favor on their kurdish population.. erdogan is seriously miscalculating here.

 

[nahtanbob]

thats even worse.

turkey wants to go and cause ethnic instability by playing the turkic card against Iran and China? it has recently bullied 3 million armenia.

sang songs about "uniting Iranian azeris with azerbaijan" and making territorial claims on Iran.

besides in neanderthal pink panturk fantasy history. it is universally accepted by scientists and historians that these so called "turks" are only linguistically turkish. and have nothing to do ethnically to turks.

infact, kurds in turkey have far FAAAAR more in common with Iranians then they do with either turkey or actualy mongloid turks from central asia...

if turkey wants to play this sort of game, is it going to be happy when IRan returns the favor on their kurdish population.. erdogan is seriously miscalculating here.

I am not supporting Erdogan's behavior here. I am just explaining things. Everyone wants to get bigger to play with the big boys

 

[PakShaheen79]

Turkey has now made the entire thing conditional with US support and financial backing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-20/erdogan-demands-u-s-support-to-take-over-kabul-airport-security

Now there are a couple of possibilities here
1, Pakistanis have told Mr. Erdogan about the quagmire he is about to put Turkey in, and he made everything conditional.
2. Turkey is desperate to impress new administration in Washington. By looking at the conditions, it looks like that way. Turkey is going for a diplomatic-military maneuver to get out of sanctions put against her.

There are certain things Turk brothers must understand here

1. West will allow you to grow only as long as they are certain that you are there to do their dirty work through NATO. The moment you decided to opt for an independent foreign policy, there would be consequences. You can see what has been going on since last 3-4 years now. A war against Turkish economy has been waged, and that alone must be the biggest worry for Ankara. We cannot afford Turkey taking another strategic blow after 100 years. So, under the circumstances, don't take solo flights. Consult with your allies, those who don't see you as expendables.

2. Turkey came to Afghanistan as part of NATO forces who dislodged Taliban regime in Kabul. This is how Taliban see Turks and as long as they are there. It would be wise to leave for Now. Prepare a long term strategic plan to work in an inclusive way and come back when dust settled in Afghanistan irrespective who rule in Kabul. Only then Pashtun majority of Afghanistan and Taliban would consider you a friend of Afghanistan. For now, for them, Turks are enemies for 2 reasons. First, USA and Second, support for NA against Taliban.Gen Dostum's support by Turkey is a bigger bone of contention here after what he did to Taliban in Qunduz in 2001-02. Killing hundreds of Taliban by suffocating them in containers and then putting their bodies on fire. So diffuse the memories of such past, a lot of out of the box thinking would be required on part of Ankara.

3. Current Afghan government is not only hostile to Pakistan, but is also our enemy. They are responsible for killing of thousands of Pakistanis with the help of India. Now, if Turkey supports sitting puppets in Kabul, it will lose a lot of good-will in Pakistan as well among strategic community at least. So, like Pakistan, Turkey must also distance herself from political developments in Afghanistan for some time and work with Islamabad to work around a plan to stabilize Afghanistan by brining inclusive projects where there must be something to cheer about for every Afghan faction. Otherwise, no matter how Pakistan or Turkey try, spoilers would always derail the peace process.

4. A military conflict with Taliban, would simply destroy economy of Turkey. DO NOT DO THAT!

 

[m52k85]

Sorry guys, havent read all the pages just first 2 posts which I agree with.

Unfortunately, latest news about what President Erdogan said is highly counterproductive. Calling Taliban occupation force doesnt make sense. Similarly, his excellency should be under no dellusion that Taliban will heed his call to quit after 20 years of struggle.

Finally, Turkish brothers should not underestimate the religious and social integration Pakistani enjoy with true Afghan representatives, they will quickly find their soft-power bounds dissolving in Pakistan if they challenge the peace effort Pakistan has 'played' (not 'talked') in Afghanistan.

 

[Nasr]

Turkey's involvement in Afghanistan, will be a direct threat to China and Pakistan's alliance. Turkey is NATO"s pet and will do NATO's bidding against China.

The objective of turkey is to create division between China and Pakistan. And turkey will play the "Uyghur Card" on Pakistan, against China.

Another reason why turkey will be in Afghanistan, is ISIS. It will clandestinely facilitate ISIS, who in turn will hit it's real target, Pakistan.

US-NATO forces were in Afghanistan for 20 years, spent $2.26 trillion on a war. Everyone thinks it was to destroy Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. WRONG!!! US-NATO forces were there for 20 years with one objective ... the denuclearization and the dismemberment of Pakistan.

Some are blind as bats, particularly those who shamelessly abandon the Noble Qur'an and Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah gives warnings for those who have EYES (with Imaan) to see them.

You didn't listen when warnings came about Saudi backstabbing. You didn't listen when Emiratis backstabbed us. You didn't listen when America backstabbed. And 72 years of existence, owed solely because Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah granted you your existence.

WAKE UP .... PAKISTAN!

 

[mqur1963]

It is my personal opinion that Turkey wants something that is out of its reach. Maybe the Central Asian States give some importance to Turkey and accept its role due to racial and historical ties. However, Afghanistan has been a free country comprised of free minded people. Reportedly, they don't even take much guidance from Pakistan. I doubt that the Turkish people have the internal capability to lead an Empire now. It is said that once a well dressed and armed delegation went from Arabia to Afghanistan which had been conquered recently to get Khiraj. The Afghans told them that we gave Kharaj in the previous years to your delegation which was wearing torn dresses and rusted swords but we will not give it to you. I mean to say that the quality of Turks at the time of Babur and Artugral is very different from the present Turks.

Allah gave responsibility for holding the banner of Islam to the Arabs but when they declined then Turks took the responsibility. Then the Turks also declined as a Power. Now is the intermediate state. Maybe it is going back to the Arabs or someone else.

no arabs as per our prophet saw 99% arabs will be killed and turks will exit islam and big sign of dajjal is distruction of turkey so only one is khurasan

 

[Enigma SIG]

IN HADITH PROPHET SAW SAID TURKEY WILL EXIT ISLAM AFTER JOINING NATO THEY BECOME NONMUSLIM THAT IS MY IMAM ALMEHDI WILL CONQUEST TURKEY AGAIN AND RUSSIA WILL DISTROY ATLEAST 99% OF TURKEYS MILATERYS BY NUKING THEM

 

[SilentAssassin]

This article is from journalist Resul Tosun, a former MP and close to Erdo'an:

• Turkey feels she has a historical responsibility toward Afganistan
• Turkish objectives: peace, reconciliation, progress, moderation, less influence from Russia/China/Iran, etc.
• Turkey wants to invest in building institutions of administration, military, education, health, etc. 1.1b$ has already been spent
• There're 5 fractions in the Taliban - Russia, Iran, etc. have their supporters - Pak close to the strongest fraction
• Turkey doesn't want to get into a fight with anyone in Afghanistan. Pak's support and cooperation with a hint of jointness is a must to keep it that way
• Turkey is looking forward to a long term presence in this region in cooperation with Pak in a win-win mode

Afganistan'da ne işimiz var?! - Yazarlar - Resul TOSUN | STAR

'Ne işimiz var?'sorusu genellikle muhalefet tarafından seslendirilmektedir.Ve en önemlisi de bu 'ne işimiz var' sorusu hep Müslüman coğrafya söz konusu olduğunda gündeme getirilmektedir.Bu sorunun arkasında ülkeler arası ilişkiler hatta ülkemizin çıkarı dahi yoktur.<video class='rich-text-video'...

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In my opinion, Pakistan and Turkey both should have influence in Afghanistan by backing & supporting the Afghan Taliban. If someone thinks that other powers (Russia, Iran, India, KSA) will not interfere in Afghanistan in the future they are wrong. It's a game of strategic interests & influence whether someone likes it or not. Russia will try to have more control over this region as it already has great influence over central Asian countries and she will try to have control over Afghanistan in some way.
On the other side, India had invested much there to destabilize Pakistan via its proxies and she wants to keep engage Pakistan on two fronts. If these countries will successfull in establishing more influence over Afghanistan then it will create issues for Pakistan in any way, whether its geo-strategic or geo-economics interests.
If you see all these regional powers, there are not gonna give up interfering in Afghanistan to have some influence to achive their interests.

In the context of Pakistan, She is apparently distancing herself from internal matters of Afghans and the Civil War currently going on in Afghansistan. But in reality, Pakistan can not distance itself from these matters. Pakistan doesn't have control over the Taliban, there are many factions within the Taliban. If they get power in Afghanistan solely its also not in favor of Pakistan, we can access this from a very recent drama of the Afghan ambassador's daughter kidnap blame and the Taliban's spokesperson was speaking the same language of Ghani's govt, even the Taliban are in no position to ask Pakistan to do something or to dictate Pakistan in any matter. And if they get the power they will be no different than Indian proxies like Ghani.

Now the presence of Turkish troops, in my opinion, is in favor of Pakistan even it will also benefit the USA but I won't go into more details.

I think both countries Pakistan and Turkey have kinda mutual interests, Pakistan wants to expand its trade ties with central Asian countries and for stability in the region, so peace in Afghanistan is inevitable for this purpose. Turkey has cultural and historic relations with central Asian countries and wants less influence of Russia over central asian states which is also in favor of Pakistan.