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Turkey in Afganistan: Pak Support is Must

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Where was Turkey during the last 40 years while Afghanistan was being bombed into Stone age? They should focus on their own backyard and sort out that mess first , including Syria, Kurds and Palestine.
Turkey has been her own wars for the last couple of centuries! Now, she’s flexing her muscles little bit!!

By the by, after the establishment of the republic. the first country Turkey wanted to have a relationship in the Muslim world was Afganistan….

And, Turkey considers Afganistan as the backyard of the Turan she’s trying to build….

And, why do you think Pak got involved in AZ, which definitely isn’t Pak’s backyard?!? And, why is Turkey raising voice for Kashmir, which isn’t Turkey’s backyard??

And, why do you think the Turkish and Pak General Staffs are meeting almost at weekly basis?? I am pretty sure they don’t want Afganistan to be left to Russia and Iran! They trust each other 1K times more than they trust Russia or Iran…..
I think Pakistan has conveyed the message to our Turkish brother to keep out of the mess for now. If any military support remains in Afghanistan by Turkey it will be seen as foes, Taliban will be hostile towards Turkish forces for now.
Or, maybe the Pak General Staffs also want to have a leverage via the Turkish presence! It’s a complex game over there! Moreover, no matter how much you distaste, the US factor can’t be ruled out 100%….
 
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Turkey has been her own wars for the last couple of centuries! Now, she’s flexing her muscles little bit!!

By the by, after the establishment of the republic. the first country Turkey wanted to have a relationship in the Muslim world was Afganistan….

And, Turkey considers Afganistan as the backyard of the Turan she’s trying to build….

And, why do you think Pak got involved in AZ, which definitely isn’t Pak’s backyard?!? And, why is Turkey raising voice for Kashmir, which isn’t Turkey’s backyard??

And, why do you think the Turkish and Pak General Staffs are meeting almost at weekly basis?? I am pretty sure they don’t want Afganistan to be left to Russia and Iran! They trust each other 1K times more than they trust Russia or Iran…..

Or, maybe the Pak General Staffs also want to have a leverage via the Turkish presence! It’s a complex game over there! Moreover, no matter how much you distaste, the US factor can’t be ruled out 100%….
Come on dude. Turks do not consider Afghanistan as the backyard of Turan.
I honestly believe we should let the Iranians, Chinese, Indians, Russians to deal with Afghanistan we have zero interest there,
 
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This article is from journalist Resul Tosun, a former MP and close to Erdo'an:
  • Turkey feels she has a historical responsibility toward Afganistan
  • Turkish objectives: peace, reconciliation, progress, moderation, less influence from Russia/China/Iran etc.
  • Turkey wants to invest in building institutions of administration, military, education, health etc. 1.1b$ has already been spent
  • There're 5 fractions in the Taliban - Russia, Iran etc. have their supporters - Pak close to the strongest fraction
  • Turkey doesn't want to get into fight with anyone in Afghanistan. Pak's support and cooperation with a hint of jointness is a must to keep it that way
  • Turkey is looking forward to a long term presence in this region in cooperation with Pak in a win-win mode

Turks should leave Afghanistan along with their masters US/NATO. Turks came to Afghanistan to be the supports of Muslim killers (US/NATO), they should first have some shame for their that act. They can play the Muslim brotherhood card once they are out and talk to the residing government after things settle down in Afghanistan.
 
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Come on dude. Turks do not consider Afghanistan as the backyard of Turan.
I honestly believe we should let the Iranians, Chinese, Indians, Russians to deal with Afghanistan we have zero interest there,
As direct neighbours to Afghanistan what goes there is our business. We don't want to be woken up from our slumber by marauding goat herders one night. We need to be awake so we can point them in the direction of India. Having said that the Turks are new ball game. They have vast colonial experience and have very capable people and the organisational skills to go with it, but unfortunately, their neomix of Euroasian liberalists paints a perplexing picture. Turks have their own agenda and will happily do the bidding of NATO for their own gains. Turkey in Afghanistan is like a bolt out of the sky, totally unexpected. Last thing we want is to be dragged in to a quagmire of Turkish making. We need to know what the Turkish agenda is and we don't want them supplying arms to the opposition and taking sides against Pakistan's security. Any clash with the locals in Afghanistan might see the Turks on the wrong side and the consequences could be disastrous for regional peace. Turkish involvement may incite the Iranians and the Indians even more. Indians have the most to be worried as the Turks have strong lineage to the Mughal empire. Alarm bells would certainly ring in Moscow who may see the Turk presence in Afghanistan as an attempt to meddle in central Asian states. The Americans stirred the hornet's nest , the Turks will surely add more sting.
y the by, after the establishment of the republic. the first country Turkey wanted to have a relationship in the Muslim world was Afganistan….
Unfortunately , Afghanistan was the first country to oppose Pakistan. -" by the by, after the establishment of the republic. the first country Turkey wanted to have a relationship in the Muslim world was Afganistan…. "
 
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Taliban warn Turkey against extending troop presence in Afghanistan amid US pullout
Issued on: 13/07/2021 - 12:06Modified: 13/07/2021 - 12:08
Turkish soldiers and Afghan policemen arrive at the scene following a suicide attack on a Turkish diplomatic vehicle in front of the Iranian embassy in Kabul on February 26, 2015.

Turkish soldiers and Afghan policemen arrive at the scene following a suicide attack on a Turkish diplomatic vehicle in front of the Iranian embassy in Kabul on February 26, 2015. © Wakil Kohsar, AFP
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The Taliban on Tuesday warned Turkey against extending its troop presence in Afghanistan when US-led forces leave the country, insisting the decision was “reprehensible”.

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“The decision... is ill-advised, a violation of our sovereignty and territorial integrity and against our national interests,” the group said in a statement, days after Ankara agreed with Washington to provide security for Kabul airport when foreign forces leave next month.
“We consider stay of foreign forces in our homeland by any country under whatever pretext as occupation,” the Taliban said.
As foreign forces wind up their withdrawal -- due to be completed by August 31 -- the situation on the ground is changing rapidly.
The insurgents have swept through much of northern Afghanistan in recent weeks, and the government now holds little more than a constellation of provincial capitals that must largely be reinforced and resupplied by air.

On Tuesday, the head of a Taliban commission that oversees government forces who surrender to the insurgents urged the residents of cities to reach out to them.
“Now that the fighting from mountains and deserts has reached the doors of the cities, Mujahiddin don’t want fighting inside the city,” Amir Khan Muttaqi said in a message tweeted by a Taliban spokesman, using another term for the group.

“It is better... to use any possible channel to get in touch with our invitation and guidance commission,” he said, adding this would “prevent their cities from getting damaged”.
The strategy is one well-worn by the Taliban, particularly during their first rise to power in the 1990s, cutting off towns and district centres and getting elders to negotiate a surrender.

Fears over pullout
The top US general in Afghanistan relinquished his command Monday at a ceremony in the capital, the latest symbolic gesture bringing America’s longest war nearer to an end.
The pace of the pullout -- and multiple offensives launched by the Taliban -- have raised fears that Afghanistan’s security forces could be swiftly overwhelmed, particularly without vital US air support.
Around 650 American service members are expected to remain in Kabul, guarding Washington’s sprawling diplomatic compound.

But Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday he had agreed with the United States on the “scope” of how to secure Kabul airport.
Peace talks between the insurgents and the government supposedly taking place in Doha have largely fizzled out, and the Taliban now appear set on a complete military victory.

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But claims by the hardline group to control 85 percent of the country are impossible to verify independently, and strongly disputed by the government.
Last week in Moscow, a visiting Taliban delegation said the group now controls more than half the country’s near-400 districts -- a claim steadfastly rejected by security forces spokesman, Ajmal Omar Shinwari.
Still, the situation has alarmed foreign nations, and on Sunday India became the latest country to evacuate some of its diplomats.
On Monday, Russia announced it was relocating some diplomats to Uzbekistan, while China also evacuated 210 nationals from Afghanistan.
 
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The Taliban would almost welcome Turkish involvement and support, be it military or economic. However, being America's surrogate will not work.

Can somebody explain why a small contingement of Turkish troops has to remain?

Turkiye is not a surrogate of the US.

Turkiye is in Afghanistan to keep a check on Iran.

Turkiye is in Afghanistan with full support of Pakistan, Taliban, China and Russia.
 
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Turkiye is not a surrogate of the US.

Turkiye is in Afghanistan to keep a check on Iran.

Turkiye is in Afghanistan with full support of Pakistan, Taliban, China and Russia.
Turkish forces will head into a disaster and don't expect Pakistan to save them.
 
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I'm very skeptical that a deal with Taliban could work. I think our differences are too great to reconcile.

I think if Turkey chooses to remain, sooner or later a clash is inevitable.
 
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Turk forces should leave Afghanistan after withdrawl of US and NATO forces. What's the purpose of holding an airport after all their allies have left - unless they want to somehow support their 90s allies, Northern Alliance.
 
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Turk forces should leave Afghanistan after withdrawl of US and NATO forces. What's the purpose of holding an airport after all their allies have left - unless they want to somehow support their 90s allies, Northern Alliance.

Turkiye is there to prevent anti-Taliban and Anti-Pakistan forces from landing in Afghanistan.
 
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Turkey and NATO as a whole tried to destabilize Afghanistan. Their presence is illegal and the Turkish claim of fighting Taliban is at begest of USA and its military wing NATO.
Turkey like other NATO invaders has stained its hands with Afghan blood.
Truth is Taliban is a part of Afghan people having ideological base among Afghan people. And anyone that claims Taliban is a terrorist group, in fact, tries to justify its illegal presence.
Iran will support Afghan Taliban in the face of any invading forces.
 
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Turkiye is there to prevent anti-Taliban and Anti-Pakistan forces from landing in Afghanistan.
Preventing anti-Taliban forces by holding an airport? Even if there are such external forces, those are certainly not going to land their troops on Kabul airport. Moreover, if Taliban can deal with US and NATO forces for 20 years, they are surely capable enough to deal with those "anti-Taliban" forces. Don't you see they even have captured areas they were uncapable of during 90s war?
Well, before Turkey wants to have a footprint in Central Asia using Afghan land, she should better deal with issues near her border.
 
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