Turkey, Free Syrian Army take complete control of Afrin: Erdoğan

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I provided sources Turkey has claimed that Article 51 of the UN Charter, allowing a nation to use self-defense against Pkk/Ypg/Isis terrorists who attacks Turkey from Syria

And I provided source from internationally accredited attorneys from the IADL that have dismissed Turkey’s claim. I can also claim I’m the rightful king of Saudi Arabia, it doesn’t mean I have any credibility or can claim anything legally.


It would be like Russia invading Turkey claiming that they are there to fight Chechens. The premise is incredibly stupid. It blows my mind that you are questioning the legality of what Russia is doing in Syria when they have had military bases in the country for decades but then trying to make a case for a Turkish presence in Syria when they were told to get out.

and still you are trying to protect Pkk/Ypg terrorist organization ..

You obviously have not read any of my posts. I could care less about the Kurds, they are a band illegal armeded groups just like the FSA. I literally could care less if the Kurds and FSA whipped each other out.

and Saudi prince doesnt kill hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs

No the Saudis just execute miniorities and oppress religion such Christianity and Shias Muslims but that is not the argument. Why is it that the UN and Turkey recognizes government that were never elected? It does not matter if you like Assad or not, legally he is the president, legally he is recognized by the UN. All your complaining and bickering will not change reality. Call him whatever you want, it changes nothing.

what are Russia and Iran Iran backed terrorist groups doing in Syria ?

What are gulf, US and Turkish backed terrorists doing in Syria? The Syrian government can support anyone it chooses.

who gave right to Russia and Iran and Iran backed terrorist groups to kill hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs in Syria ?

Again Russia was invited into Syria, Russia hardly backs anyone other then the Syrian government. Who gave the right of foreigners to arm and flood Syria with jihadist? It’s the jihadists that are causing the fighting, no one is making them fight, once they lay down their arms and get out of Syria is when piece will follow.

Russia and Iran and Iran backed terrorist groups have no right to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in Syria ....human rights violations is illegal

go to fight against FSA like real men ................ stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

The FSA is basically none existent. They have been whipped out. The only thing left of them are the so called FSA flowing into Syria from Turkey. Russia and Syria whipped out most of ISIS, Nusra and the FSA out, the only remaining remenance of resistance is commiting across the border from Turkey and Jordan.

 

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It would be like Russia invading Turkey claiming that they are there to fight Chechens.

are you joking or what ?

Chechens are not Turkish citizens also Chechens did not attack Russia from Turkey
on the other hand Pkk-Ypg terrorists are Syrian citizens and Pkk-Ypg terrorists attacks Turkey from Syria

What are gulf, US and Turkish backed terrorists doing in Syria? The Syrian government can support anyone it chooses.

FSA is full of Syrian citizens ,,,,, We dont care about Gulf and the US backed multi national terrorists İsis/HTS
Russia/Iran and Iran backed terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of civilians including women and childs ( Syrian citizens )

do you know what about civilians ?
do you know what about human rights violations ?

Again Russia was invited into Syria, Russia hardly backs anyone other then the Syrian government. Who gave the right of foreigners to arm and flood Syria with jihadist? It’s the jihadists that are causing the fighting, no one is making them fight, once they lay down their arms and get out of Syria is when piece will follow.

then go to fight against Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

 

[ptldM3]

are you joke or what ?

Chechens are not Turkish citizens also Chechens did not attack Russia from Turkey
on the other hand Pkk-Ypg terrorists are Syrian citizens and Pkk-Ypg terrorists attacks Turkey from Syria






FSA is full of Syrian citizens ,,,,, We dont care about Gulf and the US backed multi national terrorists İsis/HTS
Russia/Iran and Iran backed terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of civilians including women and childs ( Syrian citizens )

do you know what about civilians ?
do you know what about human rights violations ?





then go to fight against Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

The only one that must be joking is you. You asked what Russia is doing in Syria. I told you that Russia had military bases in Syria for decades and they were asked by the lawfully recognized UN government of Syria to help combat terrorists. You then tried to justify the Turkish presence in Syria in which they have no valid reason per international law; moreover, the Syrian government told Turkey to get out of Syria. End of conversation there.



It’s pretty funny how you claim the FSA are Syrian when many speak with foreign Arab accensts, many of those groups even have native Russian speakers with dialects from the Caucasus region.

Again, you literally have zero logic or ground arguings for your point.

Move on and stop dirailing the thread.

 

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The only one that must be joking is you. You asked what Russia is doing in Syria. I told you that Russia had military bases in Syria for decades and they were asked by the lawfully recognized UN government of Syria to help combat terrorists.

and I told you go to fight against Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

and FSA is not terrorist ...........real terrorists are Syrian Regime/Russia/Iran and Iran backed groups who killed hundreds of thousands of civilians including women and childs ( Syrian citizens )

I am asking again
do you know what about civilians ?
do you know what about human rights violations ?

It’s pretty funny how you claim the FSA are Syrian when many speak with foreign Arab accensts, many of those groups even have native Russian speakers with dialects from the Caucasus region.

We are talking about FSA ,,,, even Turkey backed FSA fought against ISIS/Al Nusra/HTS Terrorists


and ISIS/Al Nusra/HTS Terrorists have native Russian speakers with dialects from the Caucasus region
I am saying again go to fight against so-called Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

the Syrian government told Turkey to get out of Syria.

very funny ... wtf is the Syrian government ? We dont care about puppet Syrian government or Russia or Iran or The US
You pray for that Turkish Armed Forces doesnt destroy terrorist Syria
even Russia can not stop Turkish Armed Forces and 81 million Turkish People .....but We have no problem with Russia , We have problem with Pkk/Ypg terrorists


clean Syria from the US-Israeli backed Pkk/Ypg terrorists who invaded 30% of Syrian territory to destroy Syrian territorial integrity or Turkish Armed Forces will do it


Russia , The US and Iran never forget that

Turkey would not watch passively as weapons are sent to Kurdish terrorists on its southern border
Turkey would respond to any threats to national security
We will show no mercy to those who threaten our independence , future and we will crush them

if anybody have balls to fight against 81 million Turks for a few ugly smelly Kurdish terrorists

then lets fight ... no problem for the Turks ......This is a national struggle. We will crush anyone who opposes our national struggle

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and I told you go to fight against Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons

and FSA is not terrorist ...........real terrorists are Syrian Regime/Russia/Iran and Iran backed groups who killed hundreds of thousands of civilians including women and childs ( Syrian citizens )

I am asking again
do you know what about civilians ?
do you know what about human rights violations ?





We are talking about FSA ,,,, even Turkey backed FSA fought against ISIS/Al Nusra/HTS Terrorists


and ISIS/Al Nusra/HTS Terrorists have native Russian speakers with dialects from the Caucasus region
I am saying again go to fight against so-called Jihadists ... stop killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians including women and childs with heavy weapons , barrel bombs , even chemical weapons





very funny ... wtf is the Syrian government ? We dont care about puppet Syrian government or Russia or Iran or The US
You pray for that Turkish Armed Forces doesnt destroy terrorist Syria
even Russia can not stop Turkish Armed Forces and 81 million Turkish People .....but We have no problem with Russia , We have problem with Pkk/Ypg terrorists


clean Syria from the US-Israeli backed Pkk/Ypg terrorists who invaded 30% of Syrian territory to destroy Syrian territorial integrity or Turkish Armed Forces will do it


Russia , The US and Iran never forget that

Turkey would not watch passively as weapons are sent to Kurdish terrorists on its southern border
Turkey would respond to any threats to national security
We will show no mercy to those who threaten our independence , future and we will crush them

if anybody have balls to fight against 81 million Turks for a few ugly smelly Kurdish terrorists then lets fight no problem for the Turks ......This is a national struggle. We will crush anyone who opposes our national struggle

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You keep ranting like into off topic directions. Russia has killed thousand of terrorists, how do you think the Syrian government regained so much territory?

Again Russia does not care about Kurds. You can make whatever excuses you want but again at the end of the day the Syrian government is recognized by the UN. Russia is in Syria lawful and Turkey is in Syria illegally. It not my opinion but facts.

I’m not sure why you are pounding your chest about Turkey taking on the US or Russia, no one wants a war but Turkey would have no chance in winning. Turkey has virtually no attack aircraft or helicopters, almost no strategic transport aircraft, very few aerial refulers or and AWACS and no strategic bombers,and very few and outdated tanks and artillery. The navy is also weak and Turkey has no way to touch either countries. In reality Russia and the US can strike Turkish airfields and military bases from thousands of miles away while Turkey could not do anything in retaliation. Both the US and Russia already use military lasers long range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles not to mention all the unknown weapons and projects.


Again, I’m done responding to your childish rants. Stop derailing the thread.

 

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Russia is in Syria lawful and Turkey is in Syria illegally.

Turkey is in Syria to fight against terrorism ,, so Turkey is in Syria legally

Turkey would have no chance in winning. Turkey has virtually no attack aircraft or helicopters, almost no strategic transport aircraft, very few aerial refulers or and AWACS and no strategic bombers,and very few and outdated tanks and artillery. The navy is also weak and Turkey has no way to touch either countries. In reality Russia and the US can strike Turkish airfields and military bases from thousands of miles away while Turkey could not do anything in retaliation. Both the US and Russia already use military lasers long range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles not to mention all the unknown weapons and projects.

yes We have seen without nuclear weapons Russians and Americans how they failed in Afghanistan ...

Your Aircrafts , Helicopters , Tanks , Ballistic Missiles and soldiers were nothing against even weak poor tiny Afghanistan .......... War is not computer game

and Turkey has everything to protect its self in the region ... in a conventional war

 

[ptldM3]

Turkey is in Syria to fight against terrorism ,, so Turkey is in Syria legally



yes We have seen without nuclear weapons Russians and Americans how they failed in Afghanistan ...

Your Aircrafts , Helicopters , Tanks , Ballistic Missiles and soldiers were nothing against even weak poor tiny Afghanistan .......... War is not computer game

and Turkey has everything to protect its self in the region ... in a conventional war

Russia lost less soldiers in 2.5 year of heavy fighting in Syria then Turkey has in less then 6 month in Syria.



And no Turkey lack many things to protect itself. For one it’s air defenses are almost none existent hense the S-400 deal. Turkey’s inventories of tanks, APC, howitzers, artillery, attack aircraft, transported aircrafts are literally almost none existent when compared to the inventory the US and Russia has.

Again, stop derailed the thread and pounding your chest.

 

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Russia lost less soldiers in 2.5 year of heavy fighting in Syria then Turkey has in less then 6 month in Syria

Russia has no balls for ground operation in Syria ,,, only Russian Airforce is bombing cities day and night ,,, nothing else

Afghanistan had no even military , still they destroyed hundreds of Soviet Tanks and over 300 Soviet Helicopters
and Russians failed in Afghanistan in 10 years and USSR was collapsed ,, War is not computer game

Turkey has developed KORKUT 35mm SPAAG ( air bust ammunition ) ,,, KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System ,, HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems to intercept enemy Fighter Jets ,, Helicopters and Cruise Missiles

and Turkey has everything to protect its self in the region ... in a conventional war

Turkey would not watch passively as weapons are sent to Kurdish terrorists on its southern border
Turkey would respond to any threats to national security

Topic is over

 

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Russia has no balls for ground operation in Syria ,,, only Russian Airforce is bombing cities day and night ,,, nothing else

Afghanistan had no even military , still they destroyed hundreds of Soviet Tanks and over 300 Soviet Helicopters
and Russians failed in Afghanistan in 10 years and USSR was collapsed ,, War is not computer game

Turkey has developed KORKUT 35mm SPAAG ( air bust ammunition ) ,,, KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System ,, HISAR-A and HISAR-O Air Defense Systems to intercept enemy Fighter Jets ,, Helicopters and Cruise Missiles

and Turkey has everything to protect its self in the region ... in a conventional war

Turkey would not watch passively as weapons are sent to Kurdish terrorists on its southern border
Turkey would respond to any threats to national security

Topic is over

You are completely clueless to what has been happening in Syria.

Russia has more ground troops in Syria then Turkey. Russian soldiers participated in fighting in Aleppo which is far larger then anything Turkey has faced, Palmyra, Irak, Deir-Ez Zoir and dozens of other towns, cities and villages.


There are hundreds of pictures of Russian soldiers in Syria and even videos of them killing ISIS and FSA.

Educate yourself and go away.

 

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You are completely clueless to what has been happening in Syria.

Russia has more ground troops in Syria then Turkey. Russian soldiers participated in fighting in Aleppo which is far larger then anything Turkey has faced, Palmyra, Irak, Deir-Ez Zoir and dozens of other towns, cities and villages.


There are hundreds of pictures of Russian soldiers in Syria and even videos of them killing ISIS and FSA.

I am saying again Russia has no balls for ground operation in Syria ,,, only Russian Airforce is bombing cities day and night ,,, nothing else

a few Russian Special Forces units and Russian mercenary soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers , SSA Army soldiers and Iran backed groups such as Hezbollah are fighting against FSA

and they lost thousands of troops including 15 Iranian generals against ISIS and FSA

Russia lost less soldiers in 2.5 year of heavy fighting in Syria then Turkey has in less then 6 month in Syria

Turkey lost 118 soldiers in Syria ( including unknow air strikes )

on the other hand only The US killed over 200 Russian mercenary soldiers in a day in Deir-Ez Zoir in 2018

131 Russian mercenary soldiers were killed in Syrian in 2017

Russia uses mercenary soldiers


also total of 120 Russian soldiers were killed in Syria between 2015 and 2018

 

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I am saying again Russia has no balls for ground operation in Syria ,,, only Russian Airforce is bombing cities day and night ,,, nothing else

a few Russian Special Forces units and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers , SSA Army soldiers and Iran backed groups such as Hezbollah are fighting against FSA

and they lost thousands of troops including 15 Iranian generals against ISIS and FSA





Turkey lost 118 soldiers in Syria ( including unknow air strikes )

on the other hand only The US killed over 200 Russians in a day in Deir-Ez Zoir


Educate yourself and go away.

You can’t be serious

You have some sociological issues and are just making a fool out of yourself by denying reality. Again Russian forces were involved in heavy fighting in places like Allepo and Palmyra well before Turkey ever got involved in the war.


Again you can find hundreds of videos and photos of Russian soldiers in places where some of the heaviest fighting took place, in fact there is combat video. Must be all fake right? But then again you have denied everything from the UN and the legitimacy of the Syrian government to Russian involvement which speaks volumes of your intellectual dishonesty and lack of reality.

Russia lost 85 soldiers in 2.5 years, half from accidents such as the transport aircraft that crashed a few weeks ago. Actual combat loses are around 45 or so.

The contractors killed by US airstrikes did not belong to the Russian military nor are the reports even accurate. The German newspaper Spiegel personally interviewed militiamen involved in the incident they denied that 200 Russians were ever killed, they said about 10-15 were killed and they were not military.

This is like equating FSA loses and saying hundreds of Turkish soldiers were killed. It’s beyond stupid.

On one hand you say Russians are not fighting in Syria on the other hand you claim hundreds were killed fighting

 

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You can’t be serious

You have some sociological issues and are just making a fool out of yourself by denying reality. Again Russian forces were involved in heavy fighting in places like Allepo and Palmyra well before Turkey ever got involved in the war.


Again you can find hundreds of videos and photos of Russian soldiers in places where some of the heaviest fighting took place, in fact there is combat video. Must be all fake right?

Russia lost 85 soldiers in 2.5 years, half from accidents such as the transport aircraft that crashed a few weeks ago. Actual combat loses are around 45 or so.

The contractors killed by US airstrikes did not belong to the Russian military nor are the reports even accurate. The German newspaper Spiegel personally interviewed militiamen involved in the incident they denied that 200 Russians were ever killed, they said about 10-15 were killed and they were not military.

This is like equating FSA loses and saying hundreds of Turkish soldiers were killed. It’s beyond stupid.

another pathetic boy

Russia uses mercenary soldiers in Syria and even only in 2017 ,, 131 Russian mercenary soldiers were killed in Syria

also in 2018 Americans killed over 200 Russian mercenary soldiers in Deir-Ez Zoir

also 120 Russian soldiers were killed in Syria between 2015 and 2018


military or not ,,,,, hundreds of Russians were killed in Syria ( btw Russian mercenary soldiers are not barbers with scissors ,,,they are soldiers with weapons )

 

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another pathetic boy

Russia uses mercenary soldiers in Syria and even only in 2017 ,, 131 Russian mercenary soldiers were killed in Syria

also in 2018 Americans killed over 200 Russian mercenary soldiers in Deir-Ez Zoir

also 120 Russians were killed in Syria between 2015 and 2018


military or not ,,,,, hundreds of Russians were killed in Syria ( btw Russian mercenary soldiers are not barbers ,,,they are soldiers )

Those “mercenaries” included Syrians forces which also accounted for wounded. The figures of 200 are completely wrong. No 200 Russians were killed or even wounded. Syrians involved in the incident confirmed it and Russia itself was only aware of 5 Russian citizens killed in Syria. The majority of the casualties were Syrian.

Wagner, the contractor company that was involved employs foreigners too and not just Russians.

@Oscar please clean the thread, Berkant has derailing the thread by posting nonsense about how Russia is in Syria illegally, how Turkey can handle the US and Russia in war and how Russia just kills civilians. He literally just keep derailing further with each post.

 

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@Oscar please clean the thread, Berkant has derailing the thread by posting nonsense about how Russia is in Syria illegally, how Turkey can handle the US and Russia in war and how Russia just kills civilians.

very funny stop crying and be real man

1 ... Russia is in Syria to protect Assad Regime ( because of Russian military bases in Syria )
btw You has derailing the thread by posting nonsense about how Turkey is in Syria illegally
2 ... I reminded you that how Russians and Americans failed in Afghanistan and Vietnam ,, War is not computer game
3 ... Yes Assad Regime , Iran and Russia kills civilians in Syria ..whole world knows about it

topic is over .... have a nice day

 

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Turkish air raids devastate UNESCO heritage site near Afrin

03/23/2018, 16.11

Rockets struck Brad, a site that has several Byzantine churches and monasteries as well as tombs from the Roman period. Many buildings were destroyed, including the tomb of Saint Maron and the Julianus church. For Syrian expert, the site held one of the most beautiful pages of the history of Christianity in the East. Not even the Mongol invasion caused such damage.


Afrin (AsiaNews) – Turkish air raids have damaged an ancient Christian heritage site in northeastern Syria near the city of Afrin, a Kurdish enclave in northern Syria, which Ankara-led forces captured on 17 March, Syria’s antiquities department said Thursday.

“Turkish regime planes bombed the archaeological site of Brad, 15 kilometres south of Afrin city,” the Directorate-General of Antiquities and Museums said in a statement.

Brad – which includes many Byzantine churches and monasteries as well as tombs dating back to the Roman period – has been on Unesco’s world heritage list since 2011.

Rockets “destroyed many important archaeological buildings”, including the tomb of Saint Maron of the Maronite community, said Syrian antiquities chief Mahmoud Hamoud.

Turkish planes also destroyed “the Julianus Church, which includes the mausoleum and is one of the oldest Christian churches in the world, built at the end of the 4th century,” he added.

On 20 January, Ankara launched a major offensive against the mostly Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), which it says is allied with the "terrorist" Kurdish Workers Party (PKK). The latter has been fighting for the independence of Turkish-occupied Kurdistan.

As President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced, after conquering Afrin, Turkey is now turning its attention towards other Kurdish towns in the area in order to control the border region in the eastern part of Syria.

Turkish troops and anti-Assad jihadi groups have not damaged only Christian sites. In late January, Syria accused Turkey of damaging the 3,000-year-old iron age neo-Hittite temple of Ain Dara as it pressed its bombardment of the Afrin region.

For its part, the Turkish military denied the charges, saying that “religious and cultural buildings, historical sites, archaeological ruins and public facilities are absolutely not among the targets” of its offensive. Still, damages from its planes to Syria’s and the world’s cultural heritage are there to see.

In addition to the tomb of Saint Maron, which was discovered in 2002 by a group of French archaeologists, the ancient city of Brad also has several Christian sites from the Roman and Byzantine periods.

“This site is one of the most beautiful pages of the history of Christianity. It is home to three churches, a monastery and a five-metre-high tower,” Syria’s former antiquities chief Maamoun Abdulkarim said. "Not even the Mongol invasion did this," he added.

In recent weeks, experts have voiced concerns over some 40 Christian villages in the Afrin region, which Unesco describes as "ancient villages of northern Syria" and has included in its World Heritage Sites.

The UN’s Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation says these villages provide, among other things, “an exceptional illustration of the development of Christianity in the East, in village communities”, and must be protected and preserved.

Meanwhile, the BBC has reported that one of the last rebel groups in the besieged enclave of Eastern Ghouta, outside Damascus, has announced a ceasefire.

The Faylaq al-Rahman group has accepted a UN-brokered truce, saying that the move would allow talks with the Russian military, Syria's ally, on guarantees for the safety of civilians.

Syrian troops currently hold 80 per cent of the enclave.

Solomon2 comment: How much can one really trust the words of Assad regime officials?