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ANKARA: Heated debate has gripped Turkey over the redrafting of a military-era constitution and a related question — whether Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan is trying to cling to power as president.

Parliament has started work to rewrite the 30-year-old national charter to replace a text passed two years after a 1980 military coup, reflecting deep changes in a country now ruled by a moderate government.

Civil society organisations, religious groups and citizens have been asked to contribute to the drafting process of a more liberal document, and the aim is to produce a new constitution before the end of the year.

Prime Minister Erdogan announced on Monday that the writing phase had begun, and said that “we can discuss everything about it — whether it will be a presidential system or a co-presidency.”

For many, his words confirmed what has been Turkey’s worst kept secret: that Erdogan intends to replace a parliamentary system with a presidential one — and that he will likely run for the top job in 2014.

Erdogan faces a 2015 term limit after three stints as premier, during which he made Turkey a key regional player and oversaw economic growth that has been the envy of the European Union, which Ankara aspires to join.


Critics say he is planning a blatant power grab in a country where civil liberties have been eroding and where the military, defender of Turkey’s secular tradition, has been forced on to the defensive.

Dozens of its members including several senior officers are behind bars, facing charges of plotting to overthrow Erdogan’s government.

“We already live in a semi-dictatorship, so now are we going for a constitutional dictatorship?” asked Riza Turmen, a former judge at the European Court of Human Rights, now deputy leader of the pro-secular Republican People’s Party (CHP), the main opposition grouping.

The leader of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), Devlet Bahceli, has also put Erdogan on notice: “We are not in favour of a presidential system.”

Nevertheless, the changes could go through, say observers.

“If everything goes as he wishes and he becomes the first president of Turkey, with US- or French-style presidential powers, it could start another debate on the quality of the separation of powers in Turkey,” said Murat Yetkin, editor of the Hurriyet Daily News.

For now, the focus is on rewriting the constitution, which will be the fourth since the establishment of the Turkish republic in 1923, by a special parliamentary commission.

The aim is to develop a more democratic text than that passed two years after the army toppled a civilian parliament in 1980, a text which gave the army sweeping and repressive powers.

In the new charter, the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) is calling for greater rights for the 12 to 15 million Kurds living in the country of 73 million.

The CHP, meanwhile, warning against a religious drift, has said it would press for references to the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, so that his secular heritage is maintained.

As different voices compete, “this process can get bogged down at any time,” warned Ibrahim Kaboglu of Istanbul’s Marmara University, one of the experts consulted by the commission.

Erdogan has said the new text would “highlight the citizen, not the state” and the project would be completed before the end of the year, after which it would be submitted for a referendum.


The final fate of the new charter — and a possible change to a presidential system — he said, would rest with parliament, a body where Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party now enjoys a large majority.


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What do you think guys? Apart from Erdogan`s political/ideoligical stance, would presidential/co-presidential system work for Turkey?
 
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If it has to ratified by a 'Referendum' then I see nothing to get overly alarmed over ! After all the People get to either ratify it or reject it and 'Popular Will' and 'Collective Wisdom' are the very cornerstones of 'Democracy' !
 
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so it would be like USA then? where the President has the power and is in charge of the armed forces?
 
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Erdogan is good but like all good politicians he is trying to cling to power...
 
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Erdogan is good but like all good politicians he is trying to cling to power...

he's got a hot-head!

but in some ways, it's suited his objective. He comes off as strong and assertive. He's obviously very confident, if he's challenging some of the retired and even serving generals

i like him, but i also believe ''Ergenekon'' affair is being overly publicized and exaggerated


either way, as Pakistani I wish the people of the brother country all the best.

I still can't believe he rejected contact by Fenerbahce......he obviously must love politics


who the f*ck declines a contract from Fenerbahce?
 
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Turkey should follow parliamentary system. I think turks are doing injustice to their nation by restricting a guy Erdogan to only
3 terms. I don't know why people talk about term restriction. As long as you follow democratic norms and people elect you, what's
the need for term restriction. Mr.erdogan should stand for PM again and don't include any term restriction in the constitution.
One good example of the benefits of limitless terms is Malaysia and Mahtir muhammad who was elected 4 times
straight for 20 years and then willingly steped down upon elected for the 5th time.
 
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He think he will be the new ''padisah''. Thats what his uncles from the USA promised but he is just a pion and be used by them. Soon they will take him down to like the other dicators that got power thanksfull the west.

Twenty years ago Tayyib said: ''Democracy can never be a goal''. This means that these men only using democracy to fool people and to implant laws by agenda of the Americans so after some years Turkey will be very weak and open for a civil war and then the UN troops come with peace words and then Turkey will be devided.

I never trust these people. It began with the grandfathers of saidi nursi and now its nurcu that must complete the mission: a indepented kurdish state and later on big israel.

Europeans never leave the Sevr aside. Lozan was nothing else but a time out.

Bye.
 
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He think he will be the new ''padisah''. Thats what his uncles from the USA promised but he is just a pion and be used by them. Soon they will take him down to like the other dicators that got power thanksfull the west.

Twenty years ago Tayyib said: ''Democracy can never be a goal''. This means that these men only using democracy to fool people and to implant laws by agenda of the Americans so after some years Turkey will be very weak and open for a civil war and then the UN troops come with peace words and then Turkey will be devided.

well, then those evil powers are doing very clumsy job because for the last 10 years Turkey gained power, not weakened..But dont get me wrong mate..Thanks for your argument which involves wholesale stereotyping
 
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well, then those evil powers are doing very clumsy job because for the last 10 years Turkey gained power, not weakened..But dont get me wrong mate..Thanks for your argument which involves wholesale stereotyping

Ganed power by what? Why we never question our selves how the real economy works? I already told that 80% of the stock market is in the hands of the western nations. Its exactly like Turgut Ozal. Exactly the same politics. Selling everything and then when there comes a government that is agains the USA and EU politics, they will use their economic coup. I dont look what goes in my pocket, i look what they are planning to do.

We are TURKS, never forget this. You think they are smiley at us because they love us? The whole world hate us because they know that we are a powerfull nation that cant be destroyed.

Please study cultur and economic warfare. Like Ottoman Empire, the economy was in the hands of Greeks, Armenians, Jews etc. and who suffered? The Turks and what happend? Ottoman Empire did go down. Today exactly, exaclty the same politics.

Ataturk told us to rise up the economy indepented, not depented to other countries like what AKP doing now.

Numbers dont bother me, my land, my independce bother me. And yes we need money to to have a strong army but you can do this like how Ataturk did it to. Trusting your own people. Every nation almost builded up their country by nationalism. Look Japan, Germany, China. Specialy Japan and China, fully still having their own culture but whe? Where is our faith and culture? Its all Johnny now.

Sorry for my bad English pff.
 
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Ganed power by what? Why we never question our selves how the real economy works? I already told that 80% of the stock market is in the hands of the western nations. Its exactly like Turgut Ozal. Exactly the same politics. Selling everything and then when there comes a government that is agains the USA and EU politics, they will use their economic coup. I dont look what goes in my pocket, i look what they are planning to do.

We are TURKS, never forget this. You think they are smiley at us because they love us? The whole world hate us because they know that we are a powerfull nation that cant be destroyed.

Please study cultur and economic warfare. Like Ottoman Empire, the economy was in the hands of Greeks, Armenians, Jews etc. and who suffered? The Turks and what happend? Ottoman Empire did go down. Today exactly, exaclty the same politics.

Ataturk told us to rise up the economy indepented, not depented to other countries like what AKP doing now.

Numbers dont bother me, my land, my independce bother me. And yes we need money to to have a strong army but you can do this like how Ataturk did it to.Trusting your own people. Every nation almost builded up their country by nationalism. Look Japan, Germany, China. Specialy Japan and China, fully still having their own culture but whe? Where is our faith and culture? Its all Johnny now.

Sorry for my bad English pff.

Okay i understand your sentiment..So please tell me where was Turkey back in 1990s and 2000s and where is it now? Are you telling me that Turkey was in better position economically back then? Can you please elaborate a bit?
 
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Okay i understand your sentiment..So please tell me where was Turkey back in 1990s and 2000s and where is it now? Are you telling me that Turkey was in better position economically back then? Can you please elaborate a bit?

These are low niveau talks. I am talking about something else and you are talking about something else. Looking to numbers made you blind i think. You can not defend a political party by saying they have brought the numbers high and seeing their faults and workship with the disbelievers trough the fingers..

My point is bro: Economy is rised up because of the west. They want this and when they want that the economy goes down, they will use their power again because the economy is in their hands not us. What you dont understand here? You need to keep your economy good so the people will not ask themselves what are they doing etc.

Come on man there are more important things then only economy.
 
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These are low niveau talks. I am talking about something else and you are talking about something else. Looking to numbers made you blind i think. You can not defend a political party by saying they have brought the numbers high and seeing their faults and workship with the disbelievers trough the fingers..

My point is bro: Economy is rised up because of the west. They want this and when they want that the economy goes down, they will use their power again because the economy is in their hands not us. What you dont understand here? You need to keep your economy good so the people will not ask themselves what are they doing etc.

Come on man there are more important things then only economy.
No leader can satisfy all the people of a nation state there are so many points of divergence be it religion, race, ethnicity, regionalism, ideology. As far as Erdogan is concerned he is very popular and gets more vote in every general election than the combined opposition so it’s the people who hold the key ultimately he has to go for referendum and get ratified then only he can be president and certainly not by rolling the tanks on Ankara streets.

These are low niveau talks. I am talking about something else and you are talking about something else. Looking to numbers made you blind i think. You can not defend a political party by saying they have brought the numbers high and seeing their faults and workship with the disbelievers trough the fingers..

My point is bro: Economy is rised up because of the west. They want this and when they want that the economy goes down, they will use their power again because the economy is in their hands not us. What you dont understand here? You need to keep your economy good so the people will not ask themselves what are they doing etc.

Come on man there are more important things then only economy.
No leader can satisfy all the people of a nation state there are so many points of divergence be it religion, race, ethnicity, regionalism, ideology. As far as Erdogan is concerned he is very popular and gets more vote in every general election than the combined opposition so it’s the people who hold the key ultimately he has to go for referendum and get ratified then only he can be president and certainly not by rolling the tanks on Ankara streets.
 
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