Turkey,and Japan may cooperate in defense industry

[trajanus]

may be an old news,but japanese newspaper reported it recently

　　：日本経済新聞



Turkey, Japan may boost links in defense industry ,recently İsmet Yılmaz ,the Minister of National Defence of Turkey,visited Japan at first time and offered the cooperation of defense industy.Beacause Turkey was interested in the Japanese defense technology,which was about to ease the restriction on weapon export.

according to Bayar,an undersecretary of Ministry of National Defence of Turkey,Japan and Turkey had agreed an cooperation of defense industy during the Summer of last year.

(next three paragrahs is talking about the Turkish defense industry, F-35,F-16,T-129,ALTAY etc)Turk was interest in the Japanese rader technology used in UAV and Heli

also japan and Turkey would discuss about the Somalian piracy problem

日本と装備共同開発　トルコ国防相が提案へ

2013/3/4 13:03


トルコと日本は防衛協力を強化する。近くユルマズ国防相がトルコの国防相として初めて訪日、装備の共同開発などを提案する見込みだ。防衛産業の育成を目指すトルコ側は武器輸出三原則を緩和した日本の防衛技術に高い関心を示している。

　首都アンカラでバヤル国防省次官（装備調達担当）が明らかにした。トルコと日本の防衛当局は昨年夏の次官級会合で２国間の協力を進めることで合意した。国防相の訪日では一段の協力強化を確認するほか、具体策の洗い出しも進める。

　トルコ側は最新鋭ステルス戦闘機Ｆ35の製造や保守、パイロットと技術者の教育・訓練について協力を模索したい考え。トルコは2017～27年に600億ドル（約５兆6000億円）を投じてＦ35を100機調達する計画。米国以外では世界有数の調達規模となる。共同生産にも参加する。日本は42機の導入を計画している。

　トルコは北大西洋条約機構（ＮＡＴＯ）の加盟国で米国に次ぐ規模の陸軍を持つ。防衛産業の育成を進めており、国営の防衛メーカー、ＴＡＩはＦ16をライセンス生産している。このほか、トルコは攻撃ヘリのライセンス生産を開始。独自の無人機の開発も進めており、15年に生産を開始する方針だ。

　トルコは韓国の技術援助を受けて国産戦車「アルタイ」を開発中で、15年に生産を開始する計画だ。ヘリや無人機に不可欠なレーダー用のセンサーの技術を日本企業は持っており、トルコはこうした分野の共同開発に意欲を見せている。

　海賊対処も協議する。トルコはソマリア復興に力を入れており、エルドアン首相が11年、同国を訪問。海賊対処で海軍艦船１隻も派遣している。海上自衛隊もジブチに拠点を設置しており、協力を深めたい考えだ。地震で被害を受けた地域への支援のノウハウ共有についても話し合う。

 

[XILLAX]

would be nice for both.
we could learn much from each other.

 

[revojam]

Meaningless : Japan still carries chains US placed on them since WW2 they can't sell a single screw driver.

 

[BordoEnes]

From what i know, They where about to ease a law which forbids Japan from Selling Weapons and working together with foreign firms, Turkey was very interested. Japanese Defence industry currently has much more potential then Turkey, But because of US pressure its unable to use it properly. I wouldnt mind co-operating with them on our TF-X, They have sweet, Highly advanced and precious aviation technology.

 

[revojam]

From what i know, They where about to ease a law which forbids Japan from Selling Weapons and working together with foreign firms, Turkey was very interested. Japanese Defence industry currently has much more potential then Turkey, But because of US pressure its unable to use it properly. I wouldnt mind co-operating with them on our TF-X, They have sweet, Highly advanced and precious aviation technology.

Indeed SLV , fighter jet , satellites, ship and submarines etc...there are so many ways to import military tech from Japan but US won't let them.Their navy is going with the title of "Self-Defense" you make the math.

 

[atatwolf]

This will happen one day.

 

[madmusti]

Yeah in the Future we will have an Gundam Army

 

[Axa-]

Japanese army have a high tech navy.

 

[LegionnairE]

We have plans to produce all our future naval platforms on our own but we still have needs for sophisticated sub systems. Unfortunately we already have chosen our partner for TFX, but again we can work together on development of AESA radars.

If Japan can somehow manage to overcome the constitutional obstacles, I'm sure we can work well together. Japanese military industries can participate in Turkish tenders and vice versa.

 

[FireFistAce]

Unfortunately we already have chosen our partner for TFX,

Who is it? SAAB? source?

 

[BordoEnes]

Who is it? SAAB? source?

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BUSINESS - Bets open on Turkey

Bets open on Turkey’s first fighter aircraft
Burak Bekdil
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
Turkish arms manufacturer TAI has signed a technical assistance deal with Swedish Saab to build a fighter jet, but analysts remain skeptical about the feasibility of an indigenous Turkish fighter

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A JAS - 39 Gripen fighter, manufactured by Swedish aerospace and defense company Saab, is seen. Turkish Aerospace (TAI) has signed a preliminary deal with Saab to work on developing a Turkish fighter.
It is no secret that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been passionate about two “made in Turkey” vehicles: a car and a fighter aircraft. Interestingly, Turkish officials have found one company that builds both and could help Turkey design and develop indigenous models. Talks with Sweden’s Saab for a Turkish fighter jet are inching forward but industry sources and analysts remain skeptical.

Turkish officials have been in talks with Saab (and with Korean Aerospace Industries) to find the best modality for this ambitious project since 2010 and 2011. In August 2011, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), signed a deal with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to carry out the conceptual design work for fighter and jet trainer aircraft Turkey hopes to build.

In recent months a Turkish delegation, including SSM officials, visited Saab headquarters and production facilities in Sweden. And more recently, TAI and Saab penned a preliminary agreement for technical assistance which will pave the way for a subsequent support deal. As part of the planned agreement, TAI is expected to acquire Saab’s aircraft design tools.

Designing the first ever Turkish fighter, according to defense analysts, is a necessary but not critical step. “What is crucial here is whether this project would enable Turkey to earn capabilities to successfully integrate avionics, electronics and weapon systems into the chosen platform,” a London-based analyst said.

Saab is the maker of the JAS 39 Gripen, a lightweight single-engine multi-role fighter. It was designed to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen in the Swedish Air Force (Flygvapnet). Saab has cooperated with other aerospace companies in marketing the aircraft internationally, and has achieved moderate success in Central Europe, South Africa and Southeast Asia. More than 240 Gripens have been delivered or ordered.

In 2010, Sweden awarded Saab a four-year contract to improve the Gripen’s equipment, integrate new weapons, and lower its operating costs. In August, Sweden announced it planned to buy 40 to 60 Gripen NG. The Swedish order followed Switzerland’s decision to buy 22 of the E/F variants.

US dependency on fighters

For its fighter program, dubbed the TF-X, Turkey hopes to copy the modality it had devised to co-produce the T-129 attack helicopters with the Italian-British AgustaWestland. “We think this model has worked successfully and could be a template for our fighter program,” said one aviation official. But defense sources here said the program was exposed to the risk of a prolonged conceptual design and this would make the whole project “not very meaningful.”

“Turkey hopes to fly its national fighter by 2023. This is not a realistic target,” said one source. “If the conceptual design work takes about seven to eight years from now on, the technology on which the design will be based would be too old at the production stage. You may need a time machine to efficiently use the aircraft.”

Major weapons makers are also cautious and skeptical. “We wanted to help Turkey out with its ambitions to design and develop its own fighter jet. But we had to step back when we understood that the technical requirements for the aircraft are far from being realistic,” said a top official from a Western aircraft maker.

Another Western defense executive commented: “We have been working with the Turks for decades. And we fear Turkey may end up keeping an arsenal of second-class weapons systems built at home at exorbitant prices.”

Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States. But Turkish officials say they want to develop another future jet fighter with a country other than the United States to reduce Turkey’s overdependence on Washington.

 

[FireFistAce]

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BUSINESS - Bets open on Turkey

Bets open on Turkey’s first fighter aircraft
Burak Bekdil
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
Turkish arms manufacturer TAI has signed a technical assistance deal with Swedish Saab to build a fighter jet, but analysts remain skeptical about the feasibility of an indigenous Turkish fighter

Send to friend »
Share on linkedin

A JAS - 39 Gripen fighter, manufactured by Swedish aerospace and defense company Saab, is seen. Turkish Aerospace (TAI) has signed a preliminary deal with Saab to work on developing a Turkish fighter.
It is no secret that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been passionate about two “made in Turkey” vehicles: a car and a fighter aircraft. Interestingly, Turkish officials have found one company that builds both and could help Turkey design and develop indigenous models. Talks with Sweden’s Saab for a Turkish fighter jet are inching forward but industry sources and analysts remain skeptical.

Turkish officials have been in talks with Saab (and with Korean Aerospace Industries) to find the best modality for this ambitious project since 2010 and 2011. In August 2011, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), signed a deal with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to carry out the conceptual design work for fighter and jet trainer aircraft Turkey hopes to build.

In recent months a Turkish delegation, including SSM officials, visited Saab headquarters and production facilities in Sweden. And more recently, TAI and Saab penned a preliminary agreement for technical assistance which will pave the way for a subsequent support deal. As part of the planned agreement, TAI is expected to acquire Saab’s aircraft design tools.

Designing the first ever Turkish fighter, according to defense analysts, is a necessary but not critical step. “What is crucial here is whether this project would enable Turkey to earn capabilities to successfully integrate avionics, electronics and weapon systems into the chosen platform,” a London-based analyst said.

Saab is the maker of the JAS 39 Gripen, a lightweight single-engine multi-role fighter. It was designed to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen in the Swedish Air Force (Flygvapnet). Saab has cooperated with other aerospace companies in marketing the aircraft internationally, and has achieved moderate success in Central Europe, South Africa and Southeast Asia. More than 240 Gripens have been delivered or ordered.

In 2010, Sweden awarded Saab a four-year contract to improve the Gripen’s equipment, integrate new weapons, and lower its operating costs. In August, Sweden announced it planned to buy 40 to 60 Gripen NG. The Swedish order followed Switzerland’s decision to buy 22 of the E/F variants.

US dependency on fighters

For its fighter program, dubbed the TF-X, Turkey hopes to copy the modality it had devised to co-produce the T-129 attack helicopters with the Italian-British AgustaWestland. “We think this model has worked successfully and could be a template for our fighter program,” said one aviation official. But defense sources here said the program was exposed to the risk of a prolonged conceptual design and this would make the whole project “not very meaningful.”

“Turkey hopes to fly its national fighter by 2023. This is not a realistic target,” said one source. “If the conceptual design work takes about seven to eight years from now on, the technology on which the design will be based would be too old at the production stage. You may need a time machine to efficiently use the aircraft.”

Major weapons makers are also cautious and skeptical. “We wanted to help Turkey out with its ambitions to design and develop its own fighter jet. But we had to step back when we understood that the technical requirements for the aircraft are far from being realistic,” said a top official from a Western aircraft maker.

Another Western defense executive commented: “We have been working with the Turks for decades. And we fear Turkey may end up keeping an arsenal of second-class weapons systems built at home at exorbitant prices.”

Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States. But Turkish officials say they want to develop another future jet fighter with a country other than the United States to reduce Turkey’s overdependence on Washington.

20 mart 2013 carsamba
is it some kind of black sorcery or is it luck?

 

[BordoEnes]

20 mart 2013 carsamba
is it some kind of black sorcery or is it luck?

I think LegionnairE already saw this.

 

[FireFistAce]

I think LegionnairE already saw this.

maybe he has a bot on the internet that informs him whenever there is a news about turkish defence?

 

[LegionnairE]

Actually guys I'm a vampire