Turkey Aims to Sidestep Saudi-Iranian Tensions

[HAIDER]

hahahahaha cracked me up lol

BTW i think Pakistan is in a better position to mediate.

In the mid-19th century the Ottomans instituted the tanzimat reforms that eliminated sharia and non-Muslim confessional law from the legal system in favor of a Westernized legal system where Muslims and non-Muslims had equal rights.

Very interesting......policy of change according to the need of time, within the rules of game.

 

[New World]

Iran is one of our biggest energy sources and investment countries in ME (though it doesnt mean anything if shit gets serious, see Russia ).
I dont see a reason for Turkey to take sides on this sectarian conflict.

stay away from saudi-iran relations.. they(both saudi and iran) won't hesitate to support sectarian elements in turkey if turkey chooses any side like they did with pakistan, syria etc

 

[Desert Fox]

There is a clear need for a mediator between the Saudis and Iranians. Question is, who can do the job fairly?

The Sauds aren't likely to accept as mediator any country that the Iranians could plausibly threaten with terrorism - that is, any state with a substantial Muslim minority and/or a weak police system. That rules out most of the world's democracies, including all of Latin America. Nor are the Sauds likely to accept a mediator currently seen as allied with the Iranians. That rules out Russia and Iraq.

The Iranians aren't likely to accept anyone who they see as an agent of the Great Satan or Saudi Arabia's recently-announced anti-terrorist coalition. That rules out most of the remaining Muslim-majority countries.

Then there are the countries that don't want to risk their trade arrangements with either Saudi Arabia or Iran. That rules out the Japanese and Chinese.

Of the remaining states, eliminate those that lack skilled and experienced mediators.

Who is left? South Africa and Pakistan, yes? The Iranians haven't yet dared to breathe a word about Pakistani Shias needing to defend themselves from oppression and are happy for what trade they have, while KSA has a long relationship with Pakistan's civilian and military leaders and may be winding down its militant madrassa operations in the country. Here's a golden opportunity for Pakistan to make itself look good. Will Pakistan's leaders waste it?

But Pakistan has joined (albeit reluctantly) the 34 so called "Islamic countries alliance".

 

[Solomon2]

Very interesting......policy of change according to the need of time, within the rules of game.

I find it ironic that many Muslims who call for a return of the Caliphate and sharia law don't realize that the Caliphate itself decided to abandon sharia generations earlier.

But Pakistan has joined (albeit reluctantly) the 34 so called "Islamic countries alliance".

Check me on this, but if I recall correctly Pakistan joined with the condition that it won't have anything to do with fighting between Muslim states. And Pakistan earned credibility with the Iranians by its refusal, a few months back, to bring Pakistani troops into the Yemen conflict when KSA requested it.

 

[HAIDER]

I find it ironic that many Muslims who call for a return of the Caliphate and sharia law don't realize that the Caliphate itself decided to abandon sharia generations earlier.

Check me on this, but if I recall correctly Pakistan joined with the condition that it won't have anything to do with fighting between Muslim states. And Pakistan earned credibility with the Iranians by its refusal, a few months back, to bring Pakistani troops into the Yemen conflict when KSA requested it.

So, what sharia addressed those days, basically good laws according to that particular period of time. Ottoman were heading in right direction but wrong political decision end their era ? . Buf, if they already abandon , then what was alternate plan. A modern parliamentarian system ?

 

[mahatir]

Why staying neutral!? Saudis have a multi-billion $ construction contract on the hand plus they are potential buyer of our armored vehicles, if not we should side with them clearly at least we support them. I don't care about secterian war between Saudi v Iran, Turkey comes first, our lawmakers should follow a smart way. Not only this, when everybody ignored Iran we supported them and their nuclear research rights but Iran proved many times how unstable neighbor it's. They kept imposed their sectarian goals via proxies, they are responsible why Syria turned into sh*thole.

Turkey is in no position to take any sides here , you have to deal first with drunk russians and pkk peasants.

Erdogan took Saudi's side, so Turkey is far from neutral in this case.

Erdogan says Saudi executions 'internal legal matter' | The Times of Israel

Lol, while this pathetic thing is talking about internal matters, he was the first to start arming terrorists in Syria.

Nothing personal bro, we are still cool.



That's exactly what Erdogan did.

And you can join other dictatorships like Sudan, Saudis, Qatar, Bahrain and Djibuti in this case, we won't care at all, just like we didn't give a damn till now.

Dude I dont know how all these terrorist countries gang up against peaceful Iran . Saudi Arabia should treat any opposition just like how Assad is doing right now , mabye then it will meet iranian standards in human rights.

 

[Solomon2]

So, what sharia addressed those days, basically good laws according to that particular period of time. Ottoman were heading in right direction but wrong political decision end their era ?

The Ottomans realized that sharia had led them to a dead end of stagnation. Even American-built warships and the protection of the British fleet didn't change that. So they tried to imitate the Europeans.

Buf, if they already abandon , then what was alternate plan. A modern parliamentarian system ?

I think I've written enough to whet your appetite. Why trust my words, rather than discover the answers yourself?

 

[mahatir]

Man... seriously you guys should stop acting like the innocent one...

Man... seriously you guys should stop acting like the innocent one...

He is another brainwashed islamist , dont expect much from him .

 

[TurAr]

Erdogan took Saudi's side, so Turkey is far from neutral in this case.

Erdogan says Saudi executions 'internal legal matter' | The Times of Israel

Lol, while this pathetic thing is talking about internal matters, he was the first to start arming terrorists in Syria.

Nothing personal bro, we are still cool.

Except it is an internal matter. Nation x executing its own national is the internal matter of nation x no matter how fvcked up the killings and reasons behind them are, and unless there is an international effort/condemnation against the executions through organaztions like UN, then please tell me why the fvck should Turkey antogonize one of its biggest investor over a dead mullah?

Then what? Turkey should also express opinion on the annual 1000 executions by the rag wearing pathetic things of Iran?

As for your comparison with Syria, come back to us when the executions in Arabia becomes the reason of 2.5 million refugees in Turkey.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

ISTANBUL—
Turkey is seeking to avoid being embroiled in the deepening crisis between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Following Saudi Arabia's execution of Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr and violent protests against the Saudi Embassy in Tehran, Ankara has been careful not to take sides.

The growing diplomatic crisis between Tehran and Riyadh is seeing Ankara perform a delicate balancing act.

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus issued a carefully worded statement condemning both the attack on the Saudi Embassy in Tehran and the execution of cleric Nimr al-Nimr. But President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday the execution was an internal matter.
Uneasy balance

Political columnist Semih Idiz, of Turkey’s Cumhuriyet newspaper and Al Monitor website, says Ankara is in a tight spot.

"In a very difficult situation of course, there is not much love lost between Turkey and Iran at the moment, no doubt about that. But both countries have a sense of having to maintain their relations, and Turkey has a heavy dependence on Iranian energy. So there is a limit to which it can afford tensions with Iran to go. On the other hand, it has a new strategic relationship with Saudi Arabia," said Idiz.

Iran is only second to Russia in supplying natural gas to Turkey. Ankara is already in the middle of a diplomatic crisis with Moscow and is desperately seeking to diversify its energy dependency.

International relations expert Soli Ozel of Istanbul’s Kadir Has University says the regional rivalry with Tehran is already a major headache for Ankara.

"We have an undeclared contest, it is in Iraq, its in Syria certainly, and it may even be in Iraqi Kurdistan. And Iran and Russia are very closely working together," said Ozel.

Closer Saudi ties

But that competition with Tehran, in particular in Syria, with both sides backing opposite sides in the civil war, is widely seen as a factor why Ankara has recently embarked on a developing a strategic relationship with Riyadh.

Last month, Turkish President Erdogan committed Turkey to Saudi Arabia’s regional anti-terror alliance of Sunni countries.

But Carnegie Institute visiting scholar Sinan Ulgen says the deepening crisis between Riyadh and Tehran is a warning sign for Ankara.
"Given that Turkey is finding it difficult to get additional support in the region for its objectives in Syria, the relationship with Saudi Arabia has become critical. But this is certainly of an area of foreign policy in which Turkey must tread carefully, given that it should not be seen as yet another player in the Middle East that is willing to play the sectarian game," said Ulgen.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in line with Turkey’s Western allies, called Tuesday on Riyadh and Tehran to act with common sense.
Turkey Aims to Sidestep Saudi-Iranian Tensions

Countries like Turkey and Pakistan can't afford to explicitly be a part of this conflict. At the end of the day, they will be the beneficiaries. Our proverb - those who stand up with anger sit down with loss!!