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Key Points
  • Turkey has decided to advance its TFX indigenous fighter programme, begin series production of its indigenous MPT-76 service rifle, commit to four more F-35s, and to order five additional CH-47s
  • However, the country has postponed making a final decision on its controversial USD4 billion T-Loramids SAM programme for a further six months
Turkey will push ahead with its indigenous Turkish Fighter Experimental (TFX) project, the country's most senior defence procurement body decided on 7 January.

The Executive Committee (EC) of the Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat (SSM) announced it would begin preliminary design work on the TFX aircraft and also decided to start the serial production of the MPT-76 automatic rifle for the Turkish Army, order four more Lockheed Martin more F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), and buy five more Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters.

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The EC of the SSM also decided to begin the serial production of 35,000 MPT-76 automatic rifles for the Turkish Army. (IHS/Nick de Larrinaga)

The EC, however, postponed a firm commitment on its T-Loramids air defence missile programme for a further six months.

Speaking following the meeting, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who chairs the EC, said that "TFX with twin engines will be a completely indigenous Turkish fighter, and not a copy of any existing fighter. In four years' time the latest the preliminary design phase of the project will be completed. I can proudly say to the Turkish public that our target is to produce the first prototype of TFX in 2023."

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), in co-operation with Saab, had previously completed the conceptual design work of TFX at a cost of around USD20 million. Though Davutoglu stated TFX will be an entirely indigenous design, a request for proposal (RfP) is expected to be released for foreign companies to take part in the fighter's preliminary design work.

Turkey also decided to begin serial production of the MPT-76 7.62 mm automatic rifle, with an initial 35,000 ordered from state-owned Machines and Chemical Industries Board (MKEK) in co-operation with the private sector. The new weapon is eventually expected to entirely replace the 500,000 Heckler & Koch G3 7.62 mm battle rifles in Turkish service.

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Turkey decided to postpone making a final decision on its controversial selection of the Chinese HQ-9 SAM for its USD4 billion T-Loramids project for a further six months. (Wikipedia Commons/Jian Kang)

The EC also committed to Turkey buying a further four F-35s in addition to its previously ordered two aircraft. Turkey has previously stated its goal of buying 100 F-35s by 2030.

Turkey will also purchase five more CH-47F Chinook heavy lift helicopters in addition to the six it ordered for the Special Forces Command under a USD419.5 million US Foreign Military Sales project, which included an option for eight more aircraft. "Hence Turkey will gain a serious capacity in air lift," said Davutoglu.

The EC also decided to accelerate work on the development of satellite launching system. Davutoglu described this project as highly important for Turkey's space projects and for developments in its defence industry and other areas.

The committee also decided to develop the communication capabilities of the three armed services.

In a separate development, IHS Jane's has learned that the SSM has been holding talks with Lockheed Martin for the sale of the Aegis Combat System for Turkey's long-awaited TF-2000 frigate project for which RfPs have not even been published.


ANALYSIS
The decision to go ahead with the next phase of TFX is rumoured to have been made on the order of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who has publicly backed Turkey building its own fighter aircraft by 2023. However, the head of the SSM, Undersecratary Ismail Demir, was widely speculated to have been against building a fighter due to its perceived poor chances on the export market.

Meanwhile the EC decisions mean the saga of Turkey's USD4 billion T-Loramids surface-to-air missile (SAM) programme will rumble on for another six months.

Since the controversial selection of the a China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) over the HQ-9 SAM in September 2013, Turkey has faced criticism from NATO members over interoperability and security issues with operating the Chinese system.

Since then Turkey has voiced dissatisfaction with technology transfer offered in the Chinese bid and announced in September 2014 it would also enter negotiations with Eurosam, the runner up in the original downselection with its SAMP/T system. Demir previously told IHS Jane's these negotiations covered a multi-layered defence system, including longer range elements. Meanwhile US vice admiral Joseph W Rixey, director of the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), had visited Ankara in late December 2014 to petition Turkey to select the Patriot system.

Davutoglu said after the EC meeting that "we decided to continue talks with China as well as with other companies for another six months or let's say until any of the companies come up with an offer that will increase Turkey's production share in the missile systems to a maximum level, as well as on costs and timing of their delivery."

It appears that Turkey is playing with time until June national elections on making up its mind on what it exactly wants to do on missile project.

According to local and Western defence industry sources in Ankara, during that six-month period, Turkey will try to clarify its strategy on whether it will open a new tender for the purchase of a longer range missiles - speculated to be called T-Loramids Extended Range (ER) - or will decide to co-develop the project to be able to obtain technology to build the system (specifically the missiles) locally.

"SSM may finally say that none of the competing companies have come up with a technology offer that will enable Turkish industry to build the weapon itself so we cancel the T-Loramids project and go ahead with a co-development model," a Western defence industry source told IHS Jane's .

Opening a new tender for missiles may also be a gentle way of getting rid of Chinese systems.




Prime Source: @ozi2000


@jhungary @Abu Zolfiqar @Horus @fatman17 @Dazzler and others.

Would like to see your opinions why such an instant splash on defense spending by the begining of 2015. It strarted very early.
 
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well Turkey need to strong its military , the mess going on in their neighbor can effect them and their country , better be prepared for the worse ..
 
Source: @ozi2000

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Key Points
  • Turkey has decided to advance its TFX indigenous fighter programme, begin series production of its indigenous MPT-76 service rifle, commit to four more F-35s, and to order five additional CH-47s
  • However, the country has postponed making a final decision on its controversial USD4 billion T-Loramids SAM programme for a further six months
Turkey will push ahead with its indigenous Turkish Fighter Experimental (TFX) project, the country's most senior defence procurement body decided on 7 January.

The Executive Committee (EC) of the Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat (SSM) announced it would begin preliminary design work on the TFX aircraft and also decided to start the serial production of the MPT-76 automatic rifle for the Turkish Army, order four more Lockheed Martin more F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), and buy five more Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters.

p1534431.jpg



The EC of the SSM also decided to begin the serial production of 35,000 MPT-76 automatic rifles for the Turkish Army. (IHS/Nick de Larrinaga)

The EC, however, postponed a firm commitment on its T-Loramids air defence missile programme for a further six months.

Speaking following the meeting, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who chairs the EC, said that "TFX with twin engines will be a completely indigenous Turkish fighter, and not a copy of any existing fighter. In four years' time the latest the preliminary design phase of the project will be completed. I can proudly say to the Turkish public that our target is to produce the first prototype of TFX in 2023."

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), in co-operation with Saab, had previously completed the conceptual design work of TFX at a cost of around USD20 million. Though Davutoglu stated TFX will be an entirely indigenous design, a request for proposal (RfP) is expected to be released for foreign companies to take part in the fighter's preliminary design work.

Turkey also decided to begin serial production of the MPT-76 7.62 mm automatic rifle, with an initial 35,000 ordered from state-owned Machines and Chemical Industries Board (MKEK) in co-operation with the private sector. The new weapon is eventually expected to entirely replace the 500,000 Heckler & Koch G3 7.62 mm battle rifles in Turkish service.

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Turkey decided to postpone making a final decision on its controversial selection of the Chinese HQ-9 SAM for its USD4 billion T-Loramids project for a further six months. (Wikipedia Commons/Jian Kang)

The EC also committed to Turkey buying a further four F-35s in addition to its previously ordered two aircraft. Turkey has previously stated its goal of buying 100 F-35s by 2030.

Turkey will also purchase five more CH-47F Chinook heavy lift helicopters in addition to the six it ordered for the Special Forces Command under a USD419.5 million US Foreign Military Sales project, which included an option for eight more aircraft. "Hence Turkey will gain a serious capacity in air lift," said Davutoglu.

The EC also decided to accelerate work on the development of satellite launching system. Davutoglu described this project as highly important for Turkey's space projects and for developments in its defence industry and other areas.

The committee also decided to develop the communication capabilities of the three armed services.

In a separate development, IHS Jane's has learned that the SSM has been holding talks with Lockheed Martin for the sale of the Aegis Combat System for Turkey's long-awaited TF-2000 frigate project for which RfPs have not even been published.


ANALYSIS
The decision to go ahead with the next phase of TFX is rumoured to have been made on the order of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who has publicly backed Turkey building its own fighter aircraft by 2023. However, the head of the SSM, Undersecratary Ismail Demir, was widely speculated to have been against building a fighter due to its perceived poor chances on the export market.

Meanwhile the EC decisions mean the saga of Turkey's USD4 billion T-Loramids surface-to-air missile (SAM) programme will rumble on for another six months.

Since the controversial selection of the a China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) over the HQ-9 SAM in September 2013, Turkey has faced criticism from NATO members over interoperability and security issues with operating the Chinese system.

Since then Turkey has voiced dissatisfaction with technology transfer offered in the Chinese bid and announced in September 2014 it would also enter negotiations with Eurosam, the runner up in the original downselection with its SAMP/T system. Demir previously told IHS Jane's these negotiations covered a multi-layered defence system, including longer range elements. Meanwhile US vice admiral Joseph W Rixey, director of the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), had visited Ankara in late December 2014 to petition Turkey to select the Patriot system.

Davutoglu said after the EC meeting that "we decided to continue talks with China as well as with other companies for another six months or let's say until any of the companies come up with an offer that will increase Turkey's production share in the missile systems to a maximum level, as well as on costs and timing of their delivery."

It appears that Turkey is playing with time until June national elections on making up its mind on what it exactly wants to do on missile project.

According to local and Western defence industry sources in Ankara, during that six-month period, Turkey will try to clarify its strategy on whether it will open a new tender for the purchase of a longer range missiles - speculated to be called T-Loramids Extended Range (ER) - or will decide to co-develop the project to be able to obtain technology to build the system (specifically the missiles) locally.

"SSM may finally say that none of the competing companies have come up with a technology offer that will enable Turkish industry to build the weapon itself so we cancel the T-Loramids project and go ahead with a co-development model," a Western defence industry source told IHS Jane's .

Opening a new tender for missiles may also be a gentle way of getting rid of Chinese systems.




Prime Source: @ozi2000


@jhungary @Abu Zolfiqar @Horus @fatman17 @Dazzler and others.

Would like to see your opinions why such an instant splash on defense spending by the begining of 2015. It strarted very early.

All this equipment, it gives me an indication that the Turks are to focus on fighting a conventional war, but with whom??

Logical answer is either to Israel to the East or Greece to the right over Cyprus. All these purchase is what we called a "Big Ticket Item" stuff that you use for traditional and convention warfare. I think (I might be wrong) that turkey have a bit of a trouble south of the border with PKK terrorist and to some lesser extend ISIS? Those threats in any case are bigger than the conventional enemies these purchase intended for.

While the need to conduct COIN and Intel op down south should be a priority than getting like next gen fighter or SAM. The chinook deal I get it, but I would more or less want to see Turkey purchase more "Small ticket Item" like APC, Gunship that can put a good use to the southern border.

That's my humble opinion. I mean, its of no problem of getting the big toy, but on the other hand, turkey should also ge some small toy for personnel ops down south, don't you think?
 
All this equipment, it gives me an indication that the Turks are to focus on fighting a conventional war, but with whom??

Logical answer is either to Israel to the East or Greece to the right over Cyprus. All these purchase is what we called a "Big Ticket Item" stuff that you use for traditional and convention warfare. I think (I might be wrong) that turkey have a bit of a trouble south of the border with PKK terrorist and to some lesser extend ISIS? Those threats in any case are bigger than the conventional enemies these purchase intended for.

While the need to conduct COIN and Intel op down south should be a priority than getting like next gen fighter or SAM. The chinook deal I get it, but I would more or less want to see Turkey purchase more "Small ticket Item" like APC, Gunship that can put a good use to the southern border.

That's my humble opinion. I mean, its of no problem of getting the big toy, but on the other hand, turkey should also ge some small toy for personnel ops down south, don't you think?
A military conflict with Greece and Israel is not very likely, Greece is NATO member and Israel is a very important US ally, if one of those two then more likely Greece but US would do everything to calm down the situation as in previous conflicts.

TFX project is a long term project with the aim to increase domestic military hardware share in Army, F-35 is a project where Turkey participates since 90s to replace aging fighters in inventory, Chinooks are needed for fastly deploying troops in mountainous south east agains pkk.
T-Loramids is another project for indigenous hardware, Turkey insists on ToT, so far only Chinese agreed, thats why it keeps delayed, at the moment NATO Patriots are defending Turkish airspace against potencial missile attacks, a strong AA is definately needed in this neighborhood.

There are several company building APCs for Turkish army and multiple new platforms are being tested at the moment, about gunships the mass production of T-129 started or is about to start.

So all in all, theres nothing wrong with the purchases, theres definately a need for those.
 
Source: @ozi2000

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Key Points
  • Turkey has decided to advance its TFX indigenous fighter programme, begin series production of its indigenous MPT-76 service rifle, commit to four more F-35s, and to order five additional CH-47s
  • However, the country has postponed making a final decision on its controversial USD4 billion T-Loramids SAM programme for a further six months
Turkey will push ahead with its indigenous Turkish Fighter Experimental (TFX) project, the country's most senior defence procurement body decided on 7 January.

The Executive Committee (EC) of the Turkish Defence Industries Undersecretariat (SSM) announced it would begin preliminary design work on the TFX aircraft and also decided to start the serial production of the MPT-76 automatic rifle for the Turkish Army, order four more Lockheed Martin more F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), and buy five more Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters.

p1534431.jpg



The EC of the SSM also decided to begin the serial production of 35,000 MPT-76 automatic rifles for the Turkish Army. (IHS/Nick de Larrinaga)

The EC, however, postponed a firm commitment on its T-Loramids air defence missile programme for a further six months.

Speaking following the meeting, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who chairs the EC, said that "TFX with twin engines will be a completely indigenous Turkish fighter, and not a copy of any existing fighter. In four years' time the latest the preliminary design phase of the project will be completed. I can proudly say to the Turkish public that our target is to produce the first prototype of TFX in 2023."

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), in co-operation with Saab, had previously completed the conceptual design work of TFX at a cost of around USD20 million. Though Davutoglu stated TFX will be an entirely indigenous design, a request for proposal (RfP) is expected to be released for foreign companies to take part in the fighter's preliminary design work.

Turkey also decided to begin serial production of the MPT-76 7.62 mm automatic rifle, with an initial 35,000 ordered from state-owned Machines and Chemical Industries Board (MKEK) in co-operation with the private sector. The new weapon is eventually expected to entirely replace the 500,000 Heckler & Koch G3 7.62 mm battle rifles in Turkish service.

p1568522.jpg



Turkey decided to postpone making a final decision on its controversial selection of the Chinese HQ-9 SAM for its USD4 billion T-Loramids project for a further six months. (Wikipedia Commons/Jian Kang)

The EC also committed to Turkey buying a further four F-35s in addition to its previously ordered two aircraft. Turkey has previously stated its goal of buying 100 F-35s by 2030.

Turkey will also purchase five more CH-47F Chinook heavy lift helicopters in addition to the six it ordered for the Special Forces Command under a USD419.5 million US Foreign Military Sales project, which included an option for eight more aircraft. "Hence Turkey will gain a serious capacity in air lift," said Davutoglu.

The EC also decided to accelerate work on the development of satellite launching system. Davutoglu described this project as highly important for Turkey's space projects and for developments in its defence industry and other areas.

The committee also decided to develop the communication capabilities of the three armed services.

In a separate development, IHS Jane's has learned that the SSM has been holding talks with Lockheed Martin for the sale of the Aegis Combat System for Turkey's long-awaited TF-2000 frigate project for which RfPs have not even been published.


ANALYSIS
The decision to go ahead with the next phase of TFX is rumoured to have been made on the order of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who has publicly backed Turkey building its own fighter aircraft by 2023. However, the head of the SSM, Undersecratary Ismail Demir, was widely speculated to have been against building a fighter due to its perceived poor chances on the export market.

Meanwhile the EC decisions mean the saga of Turkey's USD4 billion T-Loramids surface-to-air missile (SAM) programme will rumble on for another six months.

Since the controversial selection of the a China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) over the HQ-9 SAM in September 2013, Turkey has faced criticism from NATO members over interoperability and security issues with operating the Chinese system.

Since then Turkey has voiced dissatisfaction with technology transfer offered in the Chinese bid and announced in September 2014 it would also enter negotiations with Eurosam, the runner up in the original downselection with its SAMP/T system. Demir previously told IHS Jane's these negotiations covered a multi-layered defence system, including longer range elements. Meanwhile US vice admiral Joseph W Rixey, director of the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), had visited Ankara in late December 2014 to petition Turkey to select the Patriot system.

Davutoglu said after the EC meeting that "we decided to continue talks with China as well as with other companies for another six months or let's say until any of the companies come up with an offer that will increase Turkey's production share in the missile systems to a maximum level, as well as on costs and timing of their delivery."

It appears that Turkey is playing with time until June national elections on making up its mind on what it exactly wants to do on missile project.

According to local and Western defence industry sources in Ankara, during that six-month period, Turkey will try to clarify its strategy on whether it will open a new tender for the purchase of a longer range missiles - speculated to be called T-Loramids Extended Range (ER) - or will decide to co-develop the project to be able to obtain technology to build the system (specifically the missiles) locally.

"SSM may finally say that none of the competing companies have come up with a technology offer that will enable Turkish industry to build the weapon itself so we cancel the T-Loramids project and go ahead with a co-development model," a Western defence industry source told IHS Jane's .

Opening a new tender for missiles may also be a gentle way of getting rid of Chinese systems.




Prime Source: @ozi2000


@jhungary @Abu Zolfiqar @Horus @fatman17 @Dazzler and others.

Would like to see your opinions why such an instant splash on defense spending by the begining of 2015. It strarted very early.
So well Turkey in future wants have large numbers of F-35 in its fleet as well as its own TFX well that is good thing if they manage to make really good Stealth Jet. Now for Army they are again doing good producing there own high tech Artillery and APC and IFV and AFV as well as going for Altay and now the new Gun massive boost to local industry. When we come to Navy Turkey again is doing good producing own corvettes soon going to produce Frigates as well as Missile boats and also now Submarines. Over all Turkey is close to producing almost every weapon it requires in Turkey.
 
A military conflict with Greece and Israel is not very likely, Greece is NATO member and Israel is a very important US ally, if one of those two then more likely Greece but US would do everything to calm down the situation as in previous conflicts.

TFX project is a long term project with the aim to increase domestic military hardware share in Army, F-35 is a project where Turkey participates since 90s to replace aging fighters in inventory, Chinooks are needed for fastly deploying troops in mountainous south east agains pkk.
T-Loramids is another project for indigenous hardware, Turkey insists on ToT, so far only Chinese agreed, thats why it keeps delayed, at the moment NATO Patriots are defending Turkish airspace against potencial missile attacks, a strong AA is definately needed in this neighborhood.

There are several company building APCs for Turkish army and multiple new platforms are being tested at the moment, about gunships the mass production of T-129 started or is about to start.

So all in all, theres nothing wrong with the purchases, theres definately a need for those.

as I said, nothing wrong to have big ticket item, but I did want to see a more focus on so called "individual" equipment or small force equipment on Turkey Purchase, in my view, they are actually lacking in this category. And probably more drone...
 
as I said, nothing wrong to have big ticket item, but I did want to see a more focus on so called "individual" equipment or small force equipment on Turkey Purchase, in my view, they are actually lacking in this category. And probably more drone...

Also, MPT rifle began mass production, 35000 rifles will be produced in the first batch. But we have a 600.000 large army. So it will take a time to fully modernize soldiers...

ANKA-S's production will start in 2016... also we are developing an indigenous engine for it. At the same time ANKA-TP is being developed. It will be the equivalent of US reaper.
 
All this equipment, it gives me an indication that the Turks are to focus on fighting a conventional war, but with whom??

Logical answer is either to Israel to the East or Greece to the right over Cyprus. All these purchase is what we called a "Big Ticket Item" stuff that you use for traditional and convention warfare. I think (I might be wrong) that turkey have a bit of a trouble south of the border with PKK terrorist and to some lesser extend ISIS? Those threats in any case are bigger than the conventional enemies these purchase intended for.

While the need to conduct COIN and Intel op down south should be a priority than getting like next gen fighter or SAM. The chinook deal I get it, but I would more or less want to see Turkey purchase more "Small ticket Item" like APC, Gunship that can put a good use to the southern border.

That's my humble opinion. I mean, its of no problem of getting the big toy, but on the other hand, turkey should also ge some small toy for personnel ops down south, don't you think?


Excatly, personnel gear is the most important for a country having a 600,000 men force, bordering Syria, Iraq, Iran and ISIS, Al Nusra of course.
I don't understand why it's not been kept as a priority. It's getting better each year. Three years later they'll catch a standard of $12,000-15,000 dollars per trooper. It won't be good either when compared to the rest of the umm...gang ehemm I mean NATO lol. For example US troops having nearly $20,000-25,000 kits. They also have a plan to abolish the conscription. A year ago, national service was longing 15-18 months or 6 months for specific people.. Now it's 12 months which as an ex-OF3 you can understand the difficulties of commanding a unit consisting of men having 3 months of basic training when officers, NCOs, specialists and contracteds are excluded. Professionals make up 1/3 of the military. So the rest 2/3 whom occupy a vast part of infantry units are conscripts.

As for the big ricket armament. The budget's rapidly increasing. 20 billion. Even if we think of all the conspiracies;

Greece: We may dogfight every hour of every day but come on. Two NATO members trolling each other. The hatred is always between the governments. Today both communities share a lot in common socially, cultural. .etc. I don't think that Europe and US will sit and watch that. They won't risk a war inside.

Israel: A loong weird love story. I don't really want to write a long explanation but simply, both hesitate to fight each other. And just after the new party takes office in Turkey, the relations will turn back to 2006s. We have a lot of economic gains, so does Israel. Again, US wouldn't allow that.


Rather than a conventional war, I believe they want to maintain a vigilant, mobile and well equipped,trained force which I believe best suits for countering Assymmetric & Conventional Threats in the region of ME.
PKK has lost in mountainous warfare. But right now as we are in the so called "Peace Process", there's a ceasefire for more than a month. Militants are coming down to cities to form a force for Urban Warfare which is why the government decided to splash up the budget allocated for Dept. of Counter-Terrorism of National Police, Police SOF.

Many of the people believe that the military is all ears on Syrian border. But personally I disagree. I think it's Eastern Mediterranean.
 
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Excatly, personnel gear is the most important for a country having a 600,000 men force, bordering Syria, Iraq, Iran and ISIS, Al Nusra of course.
I don't understand why it's not been kept as a priority. It's getting better each year. Three years later they'll catch a standard of $12,000-15,000 dollars per trooper. It won't be good either when compared to the rest of the umm...gang ehemm I mean NATO lol. For example US troops having nearly $20,000-25,000 kits. They also have a plan to abolish the conscription. A year ago, national service was longing 15-18 months or 6 months for specific people.. Now it's 12 months which as an ex-OF3 you can understand the difficulties of commanding a unit consisting of men having 3 months of basic training when officers, NCOs, specialists and contracteds are excluded. Professionals make up 1/3 of the military. So the rest 2/3 whom occupy a vast part of infantry units are conscripts.

As for the big ricket armament. The budget's rapidly increasing. 20 billion. Even if we think of all the conspiracies;

Greece: We may dogfight every hour of every day but come on. Two NATO members trolling each other. The hatred is always between the governments. Today both communities share a lot in common socially, cultural. .etc. I don't think that Europe and US will sit and watch that. They won't risk a war inside.

Israel: A loong weird love story. I don't really want to write a long explanation but simply, both hesitate to fight each other. And just after the new party takes office in Turkey, the relations will turn back to 2006s. We have a lot of economic gains, so does Israel. Again, US wouldn't allow that.


Rather than a conventional war, I believe they want to maintain a vigilant, mobile and well equipped,trained force which I believe best suits for countering Assymmetric & Conventional Threats in the region of ME.
PKK has lost in mountainous warfare. But right now as we are in the so called "Peace Process", there's a ceasefire for more than a month. Militants are coming down to cities to form a force for Urban Warfare which is why the government decided to splash up the budget allocated for Dept. of Counter-Terrorism of National Police, Police SOF.

Many of the people believe that the military is all ears on Syrian border. But personally I disagree. I think it's Eastern Mediterranean.

technically speaking , politician needed a war to see how badly(And it never went well) their soldier equip.

Back in 2003, when we are the first one in Iraq, i go in with nothing but my K Pot, My IBA, My DCU and my boots, and my standard issus M4 (No Mod) and a pair of PVS14

the whole set cost no more than 7000 dollars. Compare them to a TOE request on Afghanistan in 2014, dude, thats almost 4 times the different at 25000, where you have ur fancy Optics (Acog + reflex ) per soldier, GPS and individual sat comm, load bearing vest with extra armour, Improved tactical armour, PVS18, PEG4 EW gear , Cold weather gear and so on...

And you know what make it more fun? You know the old (well not really old) quartermaster joke thats been running for ages

In the Army, we only carry stock with one size too small and one size too big, the rest is being sold in Ebay...

lol, and i am leaving it at that, otherwise i ama going to rant the whole day...
 
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