TUNISIA'S ASSAULTS ON GAY MEN

[I.R.A]

He's not Tunisian...

Then why is he trying to represent them?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Then why is he trying to represent them?

He and many here represent only themselves.
I, as a TN & FR, represent only myself.

 

[I.R.A]

He and many here represent only themselves.

Doesn't seem so

Tunisia is so far the only country that fought for the equality of man and women, the right of the women to marry a man of other religion, the equality in inheritance..Today, I am proud for what they fighting for and for what they have accomplished..I can say that with them, I AM A TUNISIAN!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thé Coran like other the Torah and the Bible has been defigured by man. The Coran was scripted 10 years after the death of Prophet Mohamed saws , in Arabic without characters that they added at a later date..For the Sunnah and the Hadiths, I’ll say over 90% is man made and has no real connection with the conduct of the Prophet or his saying..When Prophet Mohammed saws died they 700 reported hadiths, now there are over 50, 000 ..go figure..
What the Tunisian are asking and fighting for is what the Prophete would have done and probably has done in his life.

Quran is disfigured? Are you retarded?

There has been no alteration in the Holy Quran.. u can find an 800 year old Quran written in Qufa and compare it with on written in 2018 in Peshawar, both will be the same.. Allah Himself has taken the responsibility to protect His word.

Islams take Homosexuality can be witnessed in the Story of the Lout!

As for Hadith and sunnah.. wigga, there is a difference between sahi hadith,zaief hadith and fake attributed ones...

For Muslims, Quran is the Primary source aswell as the life of Prophet Mohammad PBUH.

He's not Tunisian...
As for the Quran alterated version... it's shia who believe so.

Not a single Muslim believes what you attributed to Shias now.. Shias read
the same Quran.

 

[Timur]

today its a gays problem tomorrow it will be the animal lovers problem why shouldnt they marry donkeys, dogs, cats or else.. and then finally the robosexualls but I think robosexualism will be fast accepted..

 

[HannibalBarca]

Quran is disfigured? Are you retarded?

There has been no alteration in the Holy Quran.. u can find an 800 year old Quran written in Qufa and compare it with on written in 2018 in Peshawar, both will be the same.. Allah Himself has taken the responsibility to protect His word.

Islams take Homosexuality can be witnessed in the Story of the Lout!

As for Hadith and sunnah.. wigga, there is a difference between sahi hadith,zaief hadith and fake attributed ones...

For Muslims, Quran is the Primary source aswell as the life of Prophet Mohammad PBUH.

Not a single Muslim believes what you attributed to Shias now.. Shias read
the same Quran.

A certain degree of Alteration of the Quran in shia liturgy is linked to the companion "inability" to do so. (on the basis that Uthman (and previous companions) wasn't truthful therefore it's "Quranic version" may not entirely right/true)

The Lambda shia around you may not know it or care... but take a time to speak with some "knowledgeable shia" or a "Shia Scholar" and you will see that the hypothesis of an alterated Quran exist in their belief.
Or the "Divine" attribution to the Twelvers...
We can go on and on, with sunni/shia differences...but it isn't the place.

I just answered the claim of someone who is shia AND just posted saying "that the Quran may not be the same as Day 1"

PS: Most Muslims don't know about their own basic religion, let alone on Islamic differences...So taking a general "assumption" as the "reality" is not correct.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A certain degree of Alteration of the Quran in shia liturgy is linked to the companion "inability" to do so. (on the basis that Uthman (and previous companions) wasn't truthful therefore it's "Quranic version" may not entirely right/true)

The Lambda shia around you may not know it or care... but take a time to speak with some "knowledgeable shia" or a "Shia Scholar" and you will see that the hypothesis of an alterated Quran exist in their belief.
Or the "Divine" attribution to the Twelvers...
We can go on and on, with sunni/shia differences...but it isn't the place.

I just answered the claim of someone who is shia AND just posted saying "that the Quran may not be the same as Day 1"

PS: Most Muslims don't know about their own basic religion, let alone on Islamic differences...So taking a general "assumption" as the "reality" is not correct.

Maybe in your intense arab farsi sectrian affair .. u people have gone as far as changing your Quran.

But doesnt happen here, yes there are issues on haddiths and second or third party accounts ... but not the Quran which was revealed on Prophet Mohammad PBUH, and noted and memories by several sahabis or qatibs.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Maybe in your intense arab farsi sectrian affair .. u people have gone as far as changing your Quran.

But doesnt happen here, yes there are issues on haddiths and second or third party accounts ... but not the Quran which was revealed on Prophet Mohammad PBUH, and noted and memories by several sahabis or qatibs.

So in the End... you misunderstood and went on it...
Ah sometimes I ask myself if you guys even read what you couldn't understand in the first place... instead on jumping on your biased assumption on X or Y...

Anyway...Just grow up a bit and try to read "better" without condemning someone...

 

[Ceylal]

Its quite strange that you would believe this based on something you yourself has called man made. If you wanted you could have read and searched some research that tried proving Quran is not divine, but ended up concluding that it is unaltered and remains so. There were people who were assigned this job of writing down every divine revelation.

A human being is failable, The Coran, like the holliest books that preceded it , was not immune to alteration...Just have a look at hearted and the wrath its creating among its believers centuries after its revelation.

What a load of horse shit. Do you even realise what you are saying? Its like Arab Pagans were against the gays and lesbians and Muslims fought for their rights. If I believe what you are trying to say about Tunisians and if you are representative of majority of Tunisians ........ then Tunisians are really confused in their heads.

That is sad coming from people like you that supposed to be educated..Tunisians are representative of them selves, but they have the courage to discuss and bring to the forefront laws that are antequated and inhumane , on a choice of life that is absolutely normal and natural ...and Tunisian are far from being confused. There is one thing that Tunisia managed to create and foster are a political elite and political culture that are inexistant in other parts of the Muslim world.

I didn’t know that ceylal support the gay rights

It is not a question of support. Gay , Aids, prostitution and all the depravity of this world are treated by Muslim countries like they do not exist in their societies...Tunisians are the first one to bring it to the forefront because of their concern of that fragment their society being prosecuted for their life style..

Doesn't seem so

I am not a Tunisian, this is just my opinions and my contribution on a topic that Muslims refuse to talk about..and in my discourse I said I am Tunisian as a support to their courage to bring the prosecution of that frange of their countrymen to light.

 

[Metanoia]

A certain degree of Alteration of the Quran in shia liturgy is linked to the companion "inability" to do so. (on the basis that Uthman (and previous companions) wasn't truthful therefore it's "Quranic version" may not entirely right/true)

The Lambda shia around you may not know it or care... but take a time to speak with some "knowledgeable shia" or a "Shia Scholar" and you will see that the hypothesis of an alterated Quran exist in their belief.
Or the "Divine" attribution to the Twelvers...
We can go on and on, with sunni/shia differences...but it isn't the place.

I just answered the claim of someone who is shia AND just posted saying "that the Quran may not be the same as Day 1"

PS: Most Muslims don't know about their own basic religion, let alone on Islamic differences...So taking a general "assumption" as the "reality" is not correct.

@DESERT FIGHTER

 

[Ceylal]

Then why is he trying to represent them?

I am not a Tunisian, I applaud them for bringing the plight of the Tunisian gays to the forefront of the Tunisian politics.

 

[Timur]

hypothesis of an alterated Quran exist in their belief

true but for some part of shias.. not all like 5er shias as I know

 

[HannibalBarca]

true but for some part of shias.. not all like 5er shias as I know

The mainstream does. At least if they follow the belief to it's core...
It's like those people who call themselves Christians and yet don't believe in Trinity... By definition a True Christian shall believe in the Trinity or he/she isn't one.

But many got a basic understanding of their religion, Sunnis included...Therefore such differences isn't well integrated...But when they go back into studying it more deeply...then it's "Surprise Time"...

It's like Many Lambda Sunnis when asked the difference btw Sunnis and Shia will say " We, Sunnis don't cut ourselves in Ashura..." That's the level of our generation...and also it's cancer aka ISIS/Hezbollah and such.

 

[Timur]

The mainstream does. At least if they follow the belief to it's core...
It's like those people who call themselves Christians and yet don't believe in Trinity... By definition a True Christian shall believe in the Trinity or he/she isn't one.

But many got a basic understanding of their religion, Sunnis included...Therefore such differences isn't well integrated...But when they go back into studying it more deeply...then it's "Surprise Time"...

It's like Many Lambda Sunnis when asked the difference btw Sunnis and Shia will say " We, Sunnis don't cut ourselves in Ashura..." That's the level of our generation...and also it's cancer aka ISIS/Hezbollah and such.

as I said before true but you are generelizing all so I just wanted to show those who are different.. even if they are a small groub..

 

[I.R.A]

A human being is failable, The Coran, like the holliest books that preceded it , was not immune to alteration...Just have a look at hearted and the wrath its creating among its believers centuries after its revelation.

Quran is not creating any hatred or wrath, its people who are high on traditions (the sayings associated with Messenger Peace be upon him) doing that. Do you know Quran doesn't allow anyone to kill any human without any just cause? That is the starting point.

And about alteration of Quran ......... buddy use your common sense, once a book gets altered by some human, humans tend to make different versions and copies of it, associating each one with themselves, but Quran remains the same world over even after 1400+ years. Just look at man made Ahadees books each sect has its own books. Quran remains a book not books.

That is sad coming from people like you that supposed to be educated..Tunisians are representative of them selves, but they have the courage to discuss and bring to the forefront laws that are antequated and inhumane , on a choice of life that is absolutely normal and natural ...and Tunisian are far from being confused. There is one thing that Tunisia managed to create and foster are a political elite and political culture that are inexistant in other parts of the Muslim world.

Again if it was natural every male would feel like having his rear pumped. It is not natural.

A certain degree of Alteration of the Quran in shia liturgy is linked to the companion "inability" to do so. (on the basis that Uthman (and previous companions) wasn't truthful therefore it's "Quranic version" may not entirely right/true)

Quran was always in a book form from the start. It's a fake story generated by Ahadess tellers that it was Usman or Umer who gathered the verses and gave them a book form i.e. the Quran. And why did they create this story because they were facing resistance at that time from people who still firmly believed in Quran to be the only word of ALLAH, those corrupts found it much easy to create this false story just to get an approval for their fake ahadees by basing on argument that "When a human can gather Quran's verses after passing away of Messenger, why can't the same apply for his sayings i.e. "Ahadees"